Utah/Boston good trade partners: What could Rondo fetch?

[csfansince60s]

Utah desperately need a veteran, leader point guard to guide and push their young'uns. There has been much talk on their boards about Andre Miller et al.

Utah has lots of young players and picks and an inside offense/rebound machine who doesn't play D well in their system, but averages 1.62 blocks per game.

We have what they need. They have what we need.

I think that there are many potential packages that Rondo can get for us from the Jazz.

What are some trade ideas with Utah that send Rondo to the Jazz?

Here is one:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7zz3b5u

Utah gets Rondo, Bass, JO, Dooling

Boston gets Jefferson, Devin Harris and Gordon Hayward plus one of Utah's 1st rounders this year (either theirs or GS's).

Jazz get playoff veteran leader pg to run with and direct their young guys.Jazz get to keep their Favors/Kanter/Millsap frontcourt rotation together. They give Burks more time (which they have been wanting to do) with Hayward gone, and Burks will run and thrive with Rondo.

Jazz get rid of Harris (and his contract) who has had a horrendous season so far and isn't a great faciliatator and who reportedly they have been shopping. (He needs a change of scenery.) And they get expirings in JO/Dooling and Bass (he will opt out)of about $13 million. This gives them tons of cap flexibility that they wouldn't have if they kept Jefferson/Harris and still have a 1st rounder this year (whichever of theirs or Warriors'they keep)and a very bright future.

Boston gets a walking double-double in Big Al in our biggest area of weakness, a point (ahem, cough)guard who CAN shoot from the field and free throws but admittedly isn't the best facilitator, a good young shooting wing in Hayward and another 1st rounder with which (from a pool of about 5 very good prospects) they could draft a point guard of the future.

Utah gets the best player on the most reasonable contract and gets rid of the malaise (on their team) that is Devin Harris and gets expirings this year and gets to play and develop their young ones. For that we need AlJeff, Hayward and the pick.

Assuming that Utah and Boston are good trade partners, what other packages might Rondo fetch?

[BostonArizona]

I don't think there is a package of players the jazz could offer that would entice me to trade away Rondo. I don't like any of them for the Celtics.

Unless we get Millsap....and picks....

[Celtic#9]

I would be intrested but I don't Rondo would fetch too much. Probably Devin Harris and 1 prospect(Kanter?)or if we are lucky a prospect and the Okur trade exception($10 million).

[raynman]

The Jazz are doing pretty good right now, so I don't think they need to make any moves..

[Celtic#9]

The Jazz are doing pretty good right now, so I don't think they need to make any moves..

That a problem in my opinion. They will always just be ok. They need to make a big move to move to be a contender. It seems like too many teams in the West are just 4-10 every year.

[Chris]

The Jazz are doing pretty good right now, so I don't think they need to make any moves..

That a problem in my opinion. They will always just be ok. They need to make a big move to move to be a contender. It seems like too many teams in the West are just 4-10 every year.

I'll give you this, I just am not sure moving significant members of their rotation for Rondo is that move.  Rondo is an upgrade to Harris, but I am not sure he is enough of an upgrade to give up that many assets. 

[csfansince60s]

I would be intrested but I don't Rondo would fetch too much. Probably Devin Harris and 1 prospect(Kanter?)or if we are lucky a prospect and the Okur trade exception($10 million).

We're doing Jazz a big favor in taking Harris and his $9 million contract off their hands. Addition by subtraction for them regarding Harris. He hasn't been happy in Utah and is playing like that this year.

In addition they are getting a young but veteran facilitating point guard leader in Rondo. They get a plus in Rondo and lose a negative in Harris. That's a double gain for the Jazz (when you minus a minus you get a plus if my 6th grade math is remembered correctly). That alone is why we should get at least their two picks if Harris  all we are offered and I would want Hayward too.

Don't know if I would do this though without AlJeff, since that takes us out of contention this year.  

[csfansince60s]

The Jazz are doing pretty good right now, so I don't think they need to make any moves..

That a problem in my opinion. They will always just be ok. They need to make a big move to move to be a contender. It seems like too many teams in the West are just 4-10 every year.

I'll give you this, I just am not sure moving significant members of their rotation for Rondo is that move.  Rondo is an upgrade to Harris, but I am not sure he is enough of an upgrade to give up that many assets. 

I agree that that is a lot to give up, but they are not just getting Rondo. They lose a negative in Harris so that's a positive, they get Bass for at least the rest of this year, and a Milsap, Bass, Favors, Kanter frontcourt is pretty formidable and will run with Rondo.

They also will have $13 million in expirings if Bass doesn't exercise his option.

Since it is admittedly a lot to give up, maybe we don't include Hayward, but get one of their 1sts along with AlJeff and Harris.

[csfansince60s]

The Jazz are doing pretty good right now, so I don't think they need to make any moves..

Jazz are 14-13 now and have lost 4 of their last 5 with the Thunder on tap for tonight.

Don't think that they like the direction they are going in, and I believe are not in the playoffs right now. Rondo can do a lot to change that.

[bfrombleacher]

Aren't the Jazz trying to thin up the frontcourt so Kanter can be their main guy?

TP nice post.

[csfansince60s]

Aren't the Jazz trying to thin up the frontcourt so Kanter can be their main guy?

TP nice post.

Excellent point and one that I had thought of but forgot to include in my OP.

AlJeff puts up great numbers, but is not a great fit for Utah's youth program, especially the running part. He definitely doesn't fit in their longrange plans as Rondo
would. His exit definitely would hasten Kanter/Favors' development.

AlJeff is much better in a halfcourt offense team like the Cs appear stuck being for this year and next.

TP back at ya for saying something I should have said.

[Celtic#9]

While I agree that Harris is not good he isn't worthless either he is an overplayed role player. By taking his contract we are not saving them money. They won't give up a player that has more value or is better than Rondo just because it is a bad contract. It is only 2 more years as well. Whether they have Rondo or Harris they still have to pay $10 million a year to someone. It would be different I we offered an expiring where they wouldn't have to pay anyone. Sorry if I am being confusing.

[csfansince60s]

While I agree that Harris is not good he isn't worthless either he is an overplayed role player. By taking his contract we are not saving them money. They won't give up a player that has more value or is better than Rondo just because it is a bad contract. It is only 2 more years as well. Whether they have Rondo or Harris they still have to pay $10 million a year to someone. It would be different I we offered an expiring where they wouldn't have to pay anyone. Sorry if I am being confusing.

I completely agree with you that Harris is not worthless. He is just on the wrong team given his skillset (decent shooter but below average facilitator)since the Jazz need a dynamic leader who will run and dish.

In addition, his lack of comfort in Utah and Utah's lack of confidence in him (they have been actively shopping him) have had a huge negative impact on  the rest of his game, even to the point of effecting his free-throw shooting. He is shooting 68% this year and 80% lifetime.

He needs a change of scenery and will fit in much better in a halfcourt offense team like the Cs will be for at least the rest of this year and probably next.

Also, the Jazz will be saving money over the next two years. If they kept AlJeff and Harris and Hayward, the Jazz would have to pay them a total of about $23 million for next year. Since JO and Dooling and Bass (since Bass will opt out)expire this year, they will have to pay Rondo $10 million and therefore "save" $13 million next year which gives them a lot of options and cap flexibility.

[bfrombleacher]

While I agree that Harris is not good he isn't worthless either he is an overplayed role player. By taking his contract we are not saving them money. They won't give up a player that has more value or is better than Rondo just because it is a bad contract. It is only 2 more years as well. Whether they have Rondo or Harris they still have to pay $10 million a year to someone. It would be different I we offered an expiring where they wouldn't have to pay anyone. Sorry if I am being confusing.

Are you saying that Devin Harris is better than Rondo? Because even celticsblog users acknowledge that Rondo is at least better than Harris (+3 years younger). Under the right system, he'd be even better than what we're seeing.

You can look at it this way:
Al Jeff for Rondo - Rondo has a higher potential from the looks of it although bigs are rarer. But Utah is going with Kanter and Derrick Williams now so Al Jeff was never meant to be. We happen to need a true big. Both teams get what they want.

Devin Harris for Brandon Bass - both exceptional role players/fringe starters. Although Devin is arguably a better player, his contract is terrible for his current level of production. Utah wins.

Hayward for expiring contracts - wings are the easiest position to fill but Utah will indeed be losing out on this one.

Both teams get what they want for the present and the future. What's not to like? I'd even do it without the pick or if we trade picks.

[Celtic#9]

While I agree that Harris is not good he isn't worthless either he is an overplayed role player. By taking his contract we are not saving them money. They won't give up a player that has more value or is better than Rondo just because it is a bad contract. It is only 2 more years as well. Whether they have Rondo or Harris they still have to pay $10 million a year to someone. It would be different I we offered an expiring where they wouldn't have to pay anyone. Sorry if I am being confusing.

Are you saying that Devin Harris is better than Rondo? Because even celticsblog users acknowledge that Rondo is at least better than Harris (+3 years younger). Under the right system, he'd be even better than what we're seeing.

You can look at it this way:
Al Jeff for Rondo - Rondo has a higher potential from the looks of it although bigs are rarer. But Utah is going with Kanter and Derrick Williams now so Al Jeff was never meant to be. We happen to need a true big. Both teams get what they want.

Devin Harris for Brandon Bass - both exceptional role players/fringe starters. Although Devin is arguably a better player, his contract is terrible for his current level of production. Utah wins.

Hayward for expiring contracts - wings are the easiest position to fill but Utah will indeed be losing out on this one.

Both teams get what they want for the present and the future. What's not to like? I'd even do it without the pick or if we trade picks.

I agree with you on pretty much every  point. And Rondo is absolutely better than Harris. Not even a question. What I disagree with is the value in taking a bad contract. They won't give up Kanter and a pick because we take on Harris's contract. Actually idk if they throw in Hayward. They won't just throw ina 10 ppg scorer. Also, I doubt they really want Bass since they have bigs to play.