mayweather disses jeremy lin

[TBreezy]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-8781061

The list of Ivy grads in the nba isn't storied and the history looks to be pre-1980.  I am sticking with they hype being his background not his race. 

As a side: I don't buy the "Not all racial attention is bad".  People being suprised because heis asian is still racist, sorry.  My wife is african american and works in a field where she does a ton of presentations (in many states).  She often gets the comments "You are so well spoken". Yes the comment is positive, and she is conviced she only recieves it because she is black (her white colleagues never get this comment, although she swears they atr just as articulate).  The comment doesn't do her any harm, however it does illustrate that people are still expecting certain behaviour and (in my wifes case) level of speaking - based on nothing beside teh color of skin, and our ornamantal features.  It stinks.

[Marcus13]

I dont like Mayweather at all, but this statement is factual.  It seems more like a shot at the media than at Lin

[rav123]

Floyd was out of line with this one.
I mean he's completely right, Lin is getting this much hype because he's Asian and he plays for the Knicks- he's a one of a kind.
But he's also a classic underdog story, which people love- Floyd seems to be overlooking that part of the fairytale which is the most important part, his underdog status.

re the Manny v Floyd fight, if you're a boxer, or you're a knowledgeable boxing fan, you have your money on Mayweather.
Heart bets on Manny, head bets the farm on Floyd.

Yes, his 1) Race, 2) Harvard education, 3) Current team (NY Knicks) have magnified the hype a little.

However, he has also scored the more points in his first four starts than any other player since the NBA-ABA merger.

He's also the first to average 20+ pts and 8+ assists in his first four starts. Not even Oscar Robertson, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Lebron James did that.

[Moranis]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-8781061

The list of Ivy grads in the nba isn't storied and the history looks to be pre-1980.  I am sticking with they hype being his background not his race. 

As a side: I don't buy the "Not all racial attention is bad".  People being suprised because heis asian is still racist, sorry.  My wife is african american and works in a field where she does a ton of presentations (in many states).  She often gets the comments "You are so well spoken". Yes the comment is positive, and she is conviced she only recieves it because she is black (her white colleagues never get this comment, although she swears they atr just as articulate).  The comment doesn't do her any harm, however it does illustrate that people are still expecting certain behaviour and (in my wifes case) level of speaking - based on nothing beside teh color of skin, and our ornamantal features.  It stinks.

Chris Dudley went to Yale, played in the league for 16 years, started for the Knicks in the NBA Finals, was a 4th round pick in 1987 (75th overall), and you probably only vaguely know who he was. 

[Roy H.]

I dont like Mayweather at all, but this statement is factual.  It seems more like a shot at the media than at Lin

I don't think it's factual.  He said:

Black players do what he does every night and don't get the same praise

That's not a fact at all.  These are the facts:

Lin led the Knicks to a 4-0 week, averaging 27.3 points, 8.3 assists and 2.0 steals. His 109 points over his first four career starts are the most by any player since 1976-77, and he became the first player in NBA history to tally at least 20 points and seven assists in each of his first four starts.

Lin has done something that nobody has ever done.  He's done that in the media capital of the country, and has turned around a bad Knicks team, despite Carmelo and Amare not playing.  Black players certainly are *not* doing that every night.

[Roy H.]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-8781061

The list of Ivy grads in the nba isn't storied and the history looks to be pre-1980.  I am sticking with they hype being his background not his race. 

As a side: I don't buy the "Not all racial attention is bad".  People being suprised because heis asian is still racist, sorry.  My wife is african american and works in a field where she does a ton of presentations (in many states).  She often gets the comments "You are so well spoken". Yes the comment is positive, and she is conviced she only recieves it because she is black (her white colleagues never get this comment, although she swears they atr just as articulate).  The comment doesn't do her any harm, however it does illustrate that people are still expecting certain behaviour and (in my wifes case) level of speaking - based on nothing beside teh color of skin, and our ornamantal features.  It stinks.

Chris Dudley went to Yale, played in the league for 16 years, started for the Knicks in the NBA Finals, was a 4th round pick in 1987 (75th overall), and you probably only vaguely know who he was. 

Isn't Dudley the guy who manipulated the Bird Rights system with Portland, to play for one year and then turn it into a huge contract?

He was a decent player in his prime, but he probably never had a stretch like Lin is having now.

[Moranis]

I dont like Mayweather at all, but this statement is factual.  It seems more like a shot at the media than at Lin

I don't think it's factual.  He said:

Black players do what he does every night and don't get the same praise

That's not a fact at all.  These are the facts:

Lin led the Knicks to a 4-0 week, averaging 27.3 points, 8.3 assists and 2.0 steals. His 109 points over his first four career starts are the most by any player since 1976-77, and he became the first player in NBA history to tally at least 20 points and seven assists in each of his first four starts.

Lin has done something that nobody has ever done.  He's done that in the media capital of the country, and has turned around a bad Knicks team, despite Carmelo and Amare not playing.  Black players certainly are *not* doing that every night.

Didn't Oscar reach 20 points and 7 assists in his first four starts.  I know he hit the points (first game he had 10 assists as well).  I couldn't find box scores that had his assist totals from his next 3 games, but he did average 9.7 assists that year. 

[Moranis]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-8781061

The list of Ivy grads in the nba isn't storied and the history looks to be pre-1980.  I am sticking with they hype being his background not his race. 

As a side: I don't buy the "Not all racial attention is bad".  People being suprised because heis asian is still racist, sorry.  My wife is african american and works in a field where she does a ton of presentations (in many states).  She often gets the comments "You are so well spoken". Yes the comment is positive, and she is conviced she only recieves it because she is black (her white colleagues never get this comment, although she swears they atr just as articulate).  The comment doesn't do her any harm, however it does illustrate that people are still expecting certain behaviour and (in my wifes case) level of speaking - based on nothing beside teh color of skin, and our ornamantal features.  It stinks.

Chris Dudley went to Yale, played in the league for 16 years, started for the Knicks in the NBA Finals, was a 4th round pick in 1987 (75th overall), and you probably only vaguely know who he was. 

Isn't Dudley the guy who manipulated the Bird Rights system with Portland, to play for one year and then turn it into a huge contract?

He was a decent player in his prime, but he probably never had a stretch like Lin is having now.

you are probably correct, but my point was, it isn't about Lin being from Harvard, it is because he is Asian that he is getting the press.  Not even Lebron had this type of press this early. 

[KevinConnor]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-8781061

The list of Ivy grads in the nba isn't storied and the history looks to be pre-1980.  I am sticking with they hype being his background not his race. 

As a side: I don't buy the "Not all racial attention is bad".  People being suprised because heis asian is still racist, sorry.  My wife is african american and works in a field where she does a ton of presentations (in many states).  She often gets the comments "You are so well spoken". Yes the comment is positive, and she is conviced she only recieves it because she is black (her white colleagues never get this comment, although she swears they atr just as articulate).  The comment doesn't do her any harm, however it does illustrate that people are still expecting certain behaviour and (in my wifes case) level of speaking - based on nothing beside teh color of skin, and our ornamantal features.  It stinks.

Chris Dudley went to Yale, played in the league for 16 years, started for the Knicks in the NBA Finals, was a 4th round pick in 1987 (75th overall), and you probably only vaguely know who he was. 

Isn't Dudley the guy who manipulated the Bird Rights system with Portland, to play for one year and then turn it into a huge contract?

He was a decent player in his prime, but he probably never had a stretch like Lin is having now.

you are probably correct, but my point was, it isn't about Lin being from Harvard, it is because he is Asian that he is getting the press.  Not even Lebron had this type of press this early. 

If you're not even sure Robertson did what Lin did in his first 4 starts how can you defend Floyd saying that black players do that every night? That part of his statement isn't factual at all so it seems!

[Roy H.]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-8781061

The list of Ivy grads in the nba isn't storied and the history looks to be pre-1980.  I am sticking with they hype being his background not his race. 

As a side: I don't buy the "Not all racial attention is bad".  People being suprised because heis asian is still racist, sorry.  My wife is african american and works in a field where she does a ton of presentations (in many states).  She often gets the comments "You are so well spoken". Yes the comment is positive, and she is conviced she only recieves it because she is black (her white colleagues never get this comment, although she swears they atr just as articulate).  The comment doesn't do her any harm, however it does illustrate that people are still expecting certain behaviour and (in my wifes case) level of speaking - based on nothing beside teh color of skin, and our ornamantal features.  It stinks.

Chris Dudley went to Yale, played in the league for 16 years, started for the Knicks in the NBA Finals, was a 4th round pick in 1987 (75th overall), and you probably only vaguely know who he was. 

Isn't Dudley the guy who manipulated the Bird Rights system with Portland, to play for one year and then turn it into a huge contract?

He was a decent player in his prime, but he probably never had a stretch like Lin is having now.

you are probably correct, but my point was, it isn't about Lin being from Harvard, it is because he is Asian that he is getting the press.  Not even Lebron had this type of press this early. 

Yeah, just reminiscing about Chris Dudley.

I'll disagree that the kid has gotten more hype than Lebron, but that's a quibble.  I think his race may be a factor, but I think the other major contributors are 1) what he's doing is literally unprecedented, 2) he plays in a huge media market, and 3) there are no other big sports stories happening in mid-February.

[Roy H.]

I dont like Mayweather at all, but this statement is factual.  It seems more like a shot at the media than at Lin

I don't think it's factual.  He said:

Black players do what he does every night and don't get the same praise

That's not a fact at all.  These are the facts:

Lin led the Knicks to a 4-0 week, averaging 27.3 points, 8.3 assists and 2.0 steals. His 109 points over his first four career starts are the most by any player since 1976-77, and he became the first player in NBA history to tally at least 20 points and seven assists in each of his first four starts.

Lin has done something that nobody has ever done.  He's done that in the media capital of the country, and has turned around a bad Knicks team, despite Carmelo and Amare not playing.  Black players certainly are *not* doing that every night.

Didn't Oscar reach 20 points and 7 assists in his first four starts.  I know he hit the points (first game he had 10 assists as well).  I couldn't find box scores that had his assist totals from his next 3 games, but he did average 9.7 assists that year. 

I'm going by the NBA press release in terms of this being unprecedented.  However, if he's the first player since Oscar Robertsen to do it, though, that's still pretty amazing and hype-worthy for an undrafted free agent.

Basically, everyone loves an underdog.  This kid is "Rudy" on steroids.

[LooseCannon]

Isn't Dudley the guy who manipulated the Bird Rights system with Portland, to play for one year and then turn it into a huge contract?

Yup, along with Danny Manning doing the same thing with Phoenix.  So, now you need three years to qualify for Bird rights.

Dudley should be remembered as the guy who a) missed an NBA record 13 free throws in a row and b) had five misses in one trip to the line due to three lane violations.

[Finkelskyhook]

Lin has done something that nobody has ever done.  He's done that in the media capital of the country, and has turned around a bad Knicks team, despite Carmelo and Amare not playing.  Black players certainly are *not* doing that every night.


I would make the case that Lin has helped turn around a bad Knicks team because the snitchster and Amare are not playing.  Once both of them are back the black holes will re-emerge.  

There's also Baron Davis...Who isn't going to accept being upstaged by an undrafted rookie.

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Mayweather is a piece of crap to say the least....But I loved when he lit up Larry Merchant...Who may be the only commentator in sports as annoying, inept, and useless as jamele hill.

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Black players do what he does every night and don't get the same praise

Has Mayweather watched the daily messiah worship service on ESPN and NBATV?

[Moranis]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-8781061

The list of Ivy grads in the nba isn't storied and the history looks to be pre-1980.  I am sticking with they hype being his background not his race. 

As a side: I don't buy the "Not all racial attention is bad".  People being suprised because heis asian is still racist, sorry.  My wife is african american and works in a field where she does a ton of presentations (in many states).  She often gets the comments "You are so well spoken". Yes the comment is positive, and she is conviced she only recieves it because she is black (her white colleagues never get this comment, although she swears they atr just as articulate).  The comment doesn't do her any harm, however it does illustrate that people are still expecting certain behaviour and (in my wifes case) level of speaking - based on nothing beside teh color of skin, and our ornamantal features.  It stinks.

Chris Dudley went to Yale, played in the league for 16 years, started for the Knicks in the NBA Finals, was a 4th round pick in 1987 (75th overall), and you probably only vaguely know who he was. 

Isn't Dudley the guy who manipulated the Bird Rights system with Portland, to play for one year and then turn it into a huge contract?

He was a decent player in his prime, but he probably never had a stretch like Lin is having now.

you are probably correct, but my point was, it isn't about Lin being from Harvard, it is because he is Asian that he is getting the press.  Not even Lebron had this type of press this early. 

If you're not even sure Robertson did what Lin did in his first 4 starts how can you defend Floyd saying that black players do that every night? That part of his statement isn't factual at all so it seems!

Black players do do that all the time (lebron for example), just not as the first four starts of one's career.  I think that is the real issue. 

[moiso]

UNdrafted rookie from Harvard, already cut twice and is putting up epic numbers?  The hysteria is racial? 

Yeah, maybe I'm being blind, but I see these as the bigger reasons in all the hype.  He took a team with 2 of the bigger superstars in the NBA that was a huge disappointment and turned them around by himself.  Oh, and that team resides in the basketball capitol of the world.

Maybe the initial "Asian-shock" factor wore off on me after seeing him play at GS while this is the first Lin exposure for a lot of people?  I guess I thought the kid could play last year too, so maybe that's a reason I can't really see the hype either.

His cause was helped by the fact that those two "superstars" don't help teams win games.  Carmelo is a taller Iverson and Amare only plays one side of the court.  So I'm not surprised that the Knicks appear better with these two out of the lineup.  But Lin's numbers have been pretty remarkable.

We had to deal with several months of Tebow hype.  Lin absolutely deserves the two weeks of hype he has received.