76ers trade idea

[Celtics18]

The trade doesn't work for the Celtics, in my opinion. The Celtics need to add depth inside, not deplete it for one player. If the Celtics want to play JJJ, they should just do so. We'll know in the next 2 weeks if he's a better rotation option than Bass.

Good point....although we already know every big is a better option than JON and Doc keeps playing him. I'd rather play Avery B at center

  We really don't know that, some of us realize that he's in there mainly for his defense.

Allow me to be sarcastic and possibly condescending for a moment

Oh riiiighhttt.   You never worry about the other team outscoring us when JON is in there? We're all like "Alll riiighttt! JON is in there to give us some major defensive minutes! They'll never score now?"

Ya gotta be able to run and jump to play defense

My observation has been that JO has played very good defense this year.

It's interesting to me that we have one of the best defenses in the league as a team, yet all our players suck at playing defense.

How are we pulling this off?

[BballTim]

The trade doesn't work for the Celtics, in my opinion. The Celtics need to add depth inside, not deplete it for one player. If the Celtics want to play JJJ, they should just do so. We'll know in the next 2 weeks if he's a better rotation option than Bass.

Good point....although we already know every big is a better option than JON and Doc keeps playing him. I'd rather play Avery B at center

  We really don't know that, some of us realize that he's in there mainly for his defense.

Allow me to be sarcastic and possibly condescending for a moment

Oh riiiighhttt.   You never worry about the other team outscoring us when JON is in there? We're all like "Alll riiighttt! JON is in there to give us some major defensive minutes! They'll never score now?"

Ya gotta be able to run and jump to play defense

  Be as condescending as you like. I'll just chuckle, confident in the knowledge that we do better with JO on the court than on the bench because -wait for it- our *defense* is better. Oh, and JO's averaging more blocks per minute than Josh Smith, Howard, Hibbert, Bynum, Gasol, Haywood and Chandler, among others. I think you need to re-evaluate your, um, evaluation. Either he jumps a little better than you think or he does some things (positioning, rotations or the like, even effort) that are as important to defense as running and jumping.

[Eja117]

The trade doesn't work for the Celtics, in my opinion. The Celtics need to add depth inside, not deplete it for one player. If the Celtics want to play JJJ, they should just do so. We'll know in the next 2 weeks if he's a better rotation option than Bass.

Good point....although we already know every big is a better option than JON and Doc keeps playing him. I'd rather play Avery B at center

  We really don't know that, some of us realize that he's in there mainly for his defense.

Allow me to be sarcastic and possibly condescending for a moment

Oh riiiighhttt.   You never worry about the other team outscoring us when JON is in there? We're all like "Alll riiighttt! JON is in there to give us some major defensive minutes! They'll never score now?"

Ya gotta be able to run and jump to play defense

  Be as condescending as you like. I'll just chuckle, confident in the knowledge that we do better with JO on the court than on the bench because -wait for it- our *defense* is better. Oh, and JO's averaging more blocks per minute than Josh Smith, Howard, Hibbert, Bynum, Gasol, Haywood and Chandler, among others. I think you need to re-evaluate your, um, evaluation. Either he jumps a little better than you think or he does some things (positioning, rotations or the like, even effort) that are as important to defense as running and jumping.

The best defense is a good offense? How is he at that?

[Eja117]

The trade doesn't work for the Celtics, in my opinion. The Celtics need to add depth inside, not deplete it for one player. If the Celtics want to play JJJ, they should just do so. We'll know in the next 2 weeks if he's a better rotation option than Bass.

Good point....although we already know every big is a better option than JON and Doc keeps playing him. I'd rather play Avery B at center

  We really don't know that, some of us realize that he's in there mainly for his defense.

Allow me to be sarcastic and possibly condescending for a moment

Oh riiiighhttt.   You never worry about the other team outscoring us when JON is in there? We're all like "Alll riiighttt! JON is in there to give us some major defensive minutes! They'll never score now?"

Ya gotta be able to run and jump to play defense

My observation has been that JO has played very good defense this year.

It's interesting to me that we have one of the best defenses in the league as a team, yet all our players suck at playing defense.

How are we pulling this off?

It's interesting to me that we have some great defense but can't win. How is that happening?

[Celtics18]

The trade doesn't work for the Celtics, in my opinion. The Celtics need to add depth inside, not deplete it for one player. If the Celtics want to play JJJ, they should just do so. We'll know in the next 2 weeks if he's a better rotation option than Bass.

Good point....although we already know every big is a better option than JON and Doc keeps playing him. I'd rather play Avery B at center

  We really don't know that, some of us realize that he's in there mainly for his defense.

Allow me to be sarcastic and possibly condescending for a moment

Oh riiiighhttt.   You never worry about the other team outscoring us when JON is in there? We're all like "Alll riiighttt! JON is in there to give us some major defensive minutes! They'll never score now?"

Ya gotta be able to run and jump to play defense

  Be as condescending as you like. I'll just chuckle, confident in the knowledge that we do better with JO on the court than on the bench because -wait for it- our *defense* is better. Oh, and JO's averaging more blocks per minute than Josh Smith, Howard, Hibbert, Bynum, Gasol, Haywood and Chandler, among others. I think you need to re-evaluate your, um, evaluation. Either he jumps a little better than you think or he does some things (positioning, rotations or the like, even effort) that are as important to defense as running and jumping.

The best defense is a good offense? How is he at that?

The best defense is not a good offense.  The best defense is . . . well, the one played by the Boston Celtics.

[Eja117]

The trade doesn't work for the Celtics, in my opinion. The Celtics need to add depth inside, not deplete it for one player. If the Celtics want to play JJJ, they should just do so. We'll know in the next 2 weeks if he's a better rotation option than Bass.

Good point....although we already know every big is a better option than JON and Doc keeps playing him. I'd rather play Avery B at center

  We really don't know that, some of us realize that he's in there mainly for his defense.

Allow me to be sarcastic and possibly condescending for a moment

Oh riiiighhttt.   You never worry about the other team outscoring us when JON is in there? We're all like "Alll riiighttt! JON is in there to give us some major defensive minutes! They'll never score now?"

Ya gotta be able to run and jump to play defense

  Be as condescending as you like. I'll just chuckle, confident in the knowledge that we do better with JO on the court than on the bench because -wait for it- our *defense* is better. Oh, and JO's averaging more blocks per minute than Josh Smith, Howard, Hibbert, Bynum, Gasol, Haywood and Chandler, among others. I think you need to re-evaluate your, um, evaluation. Either he jumps a little better than you think or he does some things (positioning, rotations or the like, even effort) that are as important to defense as running and jumping.

We're 4-2 when he doesn't play this year and 10-10 when he does. And one of the losses where he didn't play was a one point loss.

[Celtics18]

The trade doesn't work for the Celtics, in my opinion. The Celtics need to add depth inside, not deplete it for one player. If the Celtics want to play JJJ, they should just do so. We'll know in the next 2 weeks if he's a better rotation option than Bass.

Good point....although we already know every big is a better option than JON and Doc keeps playing him. I'd rather play Avery B at center

  We really don't know that, some of us realize that he's in there mainly for his defense.

Allow me to be sarcastic and possibly condescending for a moment

Oh riiiighhttt.   You never worry about the other team outscoring us when JON is in there? We're all like "Alll riiighttt! JON is in there to give us some major defensive minutes! They'll never score now?"

Ya gotta be able to run and jump to play defense

My observation has been that JO has played very good defense this year.

It's interesting to me that we have one of the best defenses in the league as a team, yet all our players suck at playing defense.

How are we pulling this off?

It's interesting to me that we have some great defense but can't win. How is that happening?

No, no, no.  Pull yourself together for a second.  You were claiming that JO was terrible defensively.  This is not the case.  Instead of arguing that point, which you know has no legs, you are now shifting all over the place.

But, to answer your question, I would say that the reason that we haven't been winning more than we have is because our offense has struggled.  That sounds fair, doesn't it?

 

[Eja117]

The trade doesn't work for the Celtics, in my opinion. The Celtics need to add depth inside, not deplete it for one player. If the Celtics want to play JJJ, they should just do so. We'll know in the next 2 weeks if he's a better rotation option than Bass.

Good point....although we already know every big is a better option than JON and Doc keeps playing him. I'd rather play Avery B at center

  We really don't know that, some of us realize that he's in there mainly for his defense.

Allow me to be sarcastic and possibly condescending for a moment

Oh riiiighhttt.   You never worry about the other team outscoring us when JON is in there? We're all like "Alll riiighttt! JON is in there to give us some major defensive minutes! They'll never score now?"

Ya gotta be able to run and jump to play defense

  Be as condescending as you like. I'll just chuckle, confident in the knowledge that we do better with JO on the court than on the bench because -wait for it- our *defense* is better. Oh, and JO's averaging more blocks per minute than Josh Smith, Howard, Hibbert, Bynum, Gasol, Haywood and Chandler, among others. I think you need to re-evaluate your, um, evaluation. Either he jumps a little better than you think or he does some things (positioning, rotations or the like, even effort) that are as important to defense as running and jumping.

So are you saying you wouldn't trade JON for these guys or that JON gives us a better chance to win than these guys?  Or is there something else that is also important?

[BballTim]

The trade doesn't work for the Celtics, in my opinion. The Celtics need to add depth inside, not deplete it for one player. If the Celtics want to play JJJ, they should just do so. We'll know in the next 2 weeks if he's a better rotation option than Bass.

Good point....although we already know every big is a better option than JON and Doc keeps playing him. I'd rather play Avery B at center

  We really don't know that, some of us realize that he's in there mainly for his defense.

Allow me to be sarcastic and possibly condescending for a moment

Oh riiiighhttt.   You never worry about the other team outscoring us when JON is in there? We're all like "Alll riiighttt! JON is in there to give us some major defensive minutes! They'll never score now?"

Ya gotta be able to run and jump to play defense

  Be as condescending as you like. I'll just chuckle, confident in the knowledge that we do better with JO on the court than on the bench because -wait for it- our *defense* is better. Oh, and JO's averaging more blocks per minute than Josh Smith, Howard, Hibbert, Bynum, Gasol, Haywood and Chandler, among others. I think you need to re-evaluate your, um, evaluation. Either he jumps a little better than you think or he does some things (positioning, rotations or the like, even effort) that are as important to defense as running and jumping.

We're 4-2 when he doesn't play this year and 10-10 when he does. And one of the losses where he didn't play was a one point loss.

  Sigh. Did he play all 48 minutes in those 20 games? Because I'm talking about the difference when he's actually in games or not.

[Celtic#9]

76ers say no.

[Eja117]

The trade doesn't work for the Celtics, in my opinion. The Celtics need to add depth inside, not deplete it for one player. If the Celtics want to play JJJ, they should just do so. We'll know in the next 2 weeks if he's a better rotation option than Bass.

Good point....although we already know every big is a better option than JON and Doc keeps playing him. I'd rather play Avery B at center

  We really don't know that, some of us realize that he's in there mainly for his defense.

Allow me to be sarcastic and possibly condescending for a moment

Oh riiiighhttt.   You never worry about the other team outscoring us when JON is in there? We're all like "Alll riiighttt! JON is in there to give us some major defensive minutes! They'll never score now?"

Ya gotta be able to run and jump to play defense

My observation has been that JO has played very good defense this year.

It's interesting to me that we have one of the best defenses in the league as a team, yet all our players suck at playing defense.

How are we pulling this off?

It's interesting to me that we have some great defense but can't win. How is that happening?

No, no, no.  Pull yourself together for a second.  You were claiming that JO was terrible defensively.  This is not the case.  Instead of arguing that point, which you know has no legs, you are now shifting all over the place.

But, to answer your question, I would say that the reason that we haven't been winning more than we have is because our offense has struggled.  That sounds fair, doesn't it?

 

I agree our offense has struggled and it has mattered more. I think JON is sorta bad at both, but he's definitely worse on offense. Speaking of no legs...

[BballTim]

The trade doesn't work for the Celtics, in my opinion. The Celtics need to add depth inside, not deplete it for one player. If the Celtics want to play JJJ, they should just do so. We'll know in the next 2 weeks if he's a better rotation option than Bass.

Good point....although we already know every big is a better option than JON and Doc keeps playing him. I'd rather play Avery B at center

  We really don't know that, some of us realize that he's in there mainly for his defense.

Allow me to be sarcastic and possibly condescending for a moment

Oh riiiighhttt.   You never worry about the other team outscoring us when JON is in there? We're all like "Alll riiighttt! JON is in there to give us some major defensive minutes! They'll never score now?"

Ya gotta be able to run and jump to play defense

My observation has been that JO has played very good defense this year.

It's interesting to me that we have one of the best defenses in the league as a team, yet all our players suck at playing defense.

How are we pulling this off?

It's interesting to me that we have some great defense but can't win. How is that happening?

  Part of it may have to do with the other end of the court. Part of it may have to do with what happens in the games where JO plays, but he's sitting on the bench.

[Eja117]

The trade doesn't work for the Celtics, in my opinion. The Celtics need to add depth inside, not deplete it for one player. If the Celtics want to play JJJ, they should just do so. We'll know in the next 2 weeks if he's a better rotation option than Bass.

Good point....although we already know every big is a better option than JON and Doc keeps playing him. I'd rather play Avery B at center

  We really don't know that, some of us realize that he's in there mainly for his defense.

Allow me to be sarcastic and possibly condescending for a moment

Oh riiiighhttt.   You never worry about the other team outscoring us when JON is in there? We're all like "Alll riiighttt! JON is in there to give us some major defensive minutes! They'll never score now?"

Ya gotta be able to run and jump to play defense

  Be as condescending as you like. I'll just chuckle, confident in the knowledge that we do better with JO on the court than on the bench because -wait for it- our *defense* is better. Oh, and JO's averaging more blocks per minute than Josh Smith, Howard, Hibbert, Bynum, Gasol, Haywood and Chandler, among others. I think you need to re-evaluate your, um, evaluation. Either he jumps a little better than you think or he does some things (positioning, rotations or the like, even effort) that are as important to defense as running and jumping.

We're 4-2 when he doesn't play this year and 10-10 when he does. And one of the losses where he didn't play was a one point loss.

  Sigh. Did he play all 48 minutes in those 20 games? Because I'm talking about the difference when he's actually in games or not.

JON couldn't play 48 minutes of hop skotch without injuring something so you got me there

[ms.ball]

The trade doesn't work for the Celtics, in my opinion. The Celtics need to add depth inside, not deplete it for one player. If the Celtics want to play JJJ, they should just do so. We'll know in the next 2 weeks if he's a better rotation option than Bass.

Good point....although we already know every big is a better option than JON and Doc keeps playing him. I'd rather play Avery B at center

  We really don't know that, some of us realize that he's in there mainly for his defense.

Allow me to be sarcastic and possibly condescending for a moment

Oh riiiighhttt.   You never worry about the other team outscoring us when JON is in there? We're all like "Alll riiighttt! JON is in there to give us some major defensive minutes! They'll never score now?"

Ya gotta be able to run and jump to play defense

My observation has been that JO has played very good defense this year.

It's interesting to me that we have one of the best defenses in the league as a team, yet all our players suck at playing defense.

How are we pulling this off?

It's interesting to me that we have some great defense but can't win. How is that happening?

Is this a real question? Most of out losses came in the beginning of the season when players were hurt, and/ or wasn't in basketball shape. After we got healthy and in shape that's when our defense went up a notch, and we have only loss 3 games, the Cleveland comeback, a one point over time loss,and that disaster to the Raptors. So again how do we have one of the best defenses if all of our guys suck at it?

[BballTim]

The trade doesn't work for the Celtics, in my opinion. The Celtics need to add depth inside, not deplete it for one player. If the Celtics want to play JJJ, they should just do so. We'll know in the next 2 weeks if he's a better rotation option than Bass.

Good point....although we already know every big is a better option than JON and Doc keeps playing him. I'd rather play Avery B at center

  We really don't know that, some of us realize that he's in there mainly for his defense.

Allow me to be sarcastic and possibly condescending for a moment

Oh riiiighhttt.   You never worry about the other team outscoring us when JON is in there? We're all like "Alll riiighttt! JON is in there to give us some major defensive minutes! They'll never score now?"

Ya gotta be able to run and jump to play defense

  Be as condescending as you like. I'll just chuckle, confident in the knowledge that we do better with JO on the court than on the bench because -wait for it- our *defense* is better. Oh, and JO's averaging more blocks per minute than Josh Smith, Howard, Hibbert, Bynum, Gasol, Haywood and Chandler, among others. I think you need to re-evaluate your, um, evaluation. Either he jumps a little better than you think or he does some things (positioning, rotations or the like, even effort) that are as important to defense as running and jumping.

So are you saying you wouldn't trade JON for these guys or that JON gives us a better chance to win than these guys?  Or is there something else that is also important?

  I don't think "JO has more blocks than player X" and "I wouldn't trade JO for player X" are remotely similar, but whatever. You first said that any other big was a better option than JO. This isn't the case, because the team performs better with JO in than some of our other bigs. You then mockingly said that JO can't play defense because he can't run or jump. This isn't the case either.