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C's/Suns/Lakers Trade Idea
« on: February 12, 2012, 08:36:14 PM »

Offline Eddie20

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6ra2pmw

Celtics Receive:

Gasol
Gortat


Suns Receive:

Rondo


Lakers Receive:

Nash
Bass
JO


Why for the C's?

One of our biggest issues for a couple of years has been rebounding. This instantly solves this issue, and arguably gives us the best frontline in the NBA. While we weaken the PG spot, the strength gained along the frontline more than makes up for that loss. This also gives us a roster space, and allows the opportunity to entertain an Aaron Brooks signing, if the Dooling/Bradley PG tandem struggles. The offense will run primarily through Pierce and Gasol and will also provide us a couple of low post players who will draw double teams and create open looks for our shooters.

Why for the Suns?

Nash might leave as a free agent this summer. So the building block is Gortat, which is a small price to pay for Rondo, a PG who will likely strive in the faster pace Western Conference. I think they might also need to receive a 1st rd pick in the deal (see below).

Why for the Lakers?

The Lakers badly need a PG, and Nash seems as though he's a much better fit than Rondo because of his shooting ability (something LA also lacks) to play off of Kobe. Bass  becomes an instant starter also allows them to spread the floor even more. JO gives them a true backup C, which they really don't have. His minutes will also be around 10-15 per game, which is well suited for him at this point in his career. I think the Lakers come out really good in this trade and wouldn't be surprised if they had to send a pick the Suns way to complete the deal.


Our Starters

KG
Pierce
Gasol
Dooling
Allen

Our Bench (9 Man Playoff Rotation)

Wilcox
Gortat
Bradley
Pietrus

Fire away with criticism for not having a "great" PG  ;), but in the playoffs you win with having quality bigs.

08- KG, Perk, PJ, Powe, Baby
09- Gasol, Bynum, Odom
10- Gasol, Bynum, Odom
11- Dirk, Chandler, Haywood, Marion (when he would play the 4)

Re: C's/Suns/Lakers Trade Idea
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2012, 08:38:07 PM »

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I don't think LA trades Pau Gasol for someone older than Gasol.

They want to get younger and find someone to put alongside Andrew Bynum to bridge to the future.

Re: C's/Suns/Lakers Trade Idea
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2012, 08:42:25 PM »

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At the very least we have to send draft picks to both the Lakers and Suns, but I don't realistically see the Lakers sending Gasol out for Nash.  

Maybe if the Suns send a big to the Lakers too

Re: C's/Suns/Lakers Trade Idea
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2012, 08:43:19 PM »

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I don't think LA trades Pau Gasol for someone older than Gasol.

They want to get younger and find someone to put alongside Andrew Bynum to bridge to the future.

I don't know. I think they would like to give themselves the best possible chance of winning now, while Kobe is still playing at a high level. Nash is still playing at an all-star level, and will command much less than the 19M Gasol is due next year, which would give them some luxury cap relief.

Re: C's/Suns/Lakers Trade Idea
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2012, 08:48:36 PM »

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not bad. Tp

I think all 3 teams benefit.

Re: C's/Suns/Lakers Trade Idea
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2012, 05:38:12 PM »

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/02/13/nash.suns/index.html

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Lost in the endless chatter about Nash and whether he'll remain in Phoenix beyond the March 15 trade deadline is the fact that the 38-year-old is having a historically efficient season. He ranks an astounding third in shooting at 56.3 percent, trailing big men Tyson Chandler of New York and Tiago Splitter of San Antonio; the next-highest guard, Miami's Mario Chalmers, is 20th at 50.7 percent. No point guard has shot better than 55 percent since a 25-year-old John Stockton did it for Utah in 1987-88, and no point guard older than 30 has exceeded that threshold.

Nash has assisted on 58.1 percent of the Suns' baskets while on the floor, which puts him on pace to break the record of 57.5 percent set by Stockton in 1990-1991, when the league's all-time assists leader was a decade younger than Phoenix's future Hall of Famer. With 10.3 assists per game, Nash is also on track to join Stockton as the only players to lead the league in that category six times (Stockton did it nine times).

The Western Conference coaches recognized Nash's exploits last week by choosing him as a reserve for his eighth All-Star Game. And the personal cherry on top for Nash is that the Suns have recovered from a 6-12 start to win six of their last nine games, including four of five.
In other words, all is well in the Valley of the Sun. For now, anyway.

As inspiring as Nash's play is to the fans and the many teammates who hope they're still playing -- let alone playing well -- at his age, the reality is that the Suns face a daunting crossroads in the next month. Their options? Hold on to Nash through the deadline and until the end of the season, at which time he'll become a free agent and they'll possibly be left with a talent pool as dry as the Arizona desert. Or, of course, listen to trade offers and be open to the idea of swapping their beloved franchise centerpiece for young talent that could speed up the rebuilding process.

Gentry is right that the hope remains among rival teams. One executive whose team has had serious interest in Nash in the past told SI.com that the Suns are "as close as they've ever been" to realizing that they need to seriously consider pulling the trigger on a trade if a young star is offered in return. Still, it appears the greater likelihood is that he remains.

Re: C's/Suns/Lakers Trade Idea
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2012, 05:56:41 PM »

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I don't believe my eyes, but this is actually a pretty good trade. I don't agree with your starting line up or bench but that doesn't matter. We become beasts in the paint, Suns get the next best passer in the league at a way younger age, Lakers get a little old but they have to rebuild anyway. Bass is a beast.
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Re: C's/Suns/Lakers Trade Idea
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2012, 06:07:13 PM »

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I don't believe my eyes, but this is actually a pretty good trade. I don't agree with your starting line up or bench but that doesn't matter. We become beasts in the paint, Suns get the next best passer in the league at a way younger age, Lakers get a little old but they have to rebuild anyway. Bass is a beast.

Why, are you thinking of starting Gortat ahead of KG? If so, the reason I think KG would start is because of that 5 minute stint thing. So basically Gortat comes in for him at the 7 minute mark and we would have a tandem of Gasol and Gortat, both of which can alternate between high and low post, finishing off the quarter.

Re: C's/Suns/Lakers Trade Idea
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2012, 04:08:02 PM »

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Bringing this back up.

I think Suns fans are a bit delusional in thinking they can get something better for Gorat &, soon to be FA, Nash,

Re: C's/Suns/Lakers Trade Idea
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2012, 05:34:27 PM »

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Wow...Great idea.

It'll work great if there's another Lin in the D-League somewhere...Otherwise there'll be about 6 seconds left on the shot clock on those rare times we'll get the ball past halfcourt and set up the offense.

Once there is no real PG on the roster teams can press relentlessly and still stack the paint if we manage to get the ball upcourt.
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Re: C's/Suns/Lakers Trade Idea
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2012, 05:42:18 PM »

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Lakers trade Gasol for Nash?

Yeahhhhhh.  Nope.
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Re: C's/Suns/Lakers Trade Idea
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2012, 06:00:11 PM »

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Bass is overvalued in this scenario (IMO), and JO provides no trade value unless the team is trying to save $$ next season.  JO has to be presumed by any team to be an injury waiting to happen.  I like him, but you have to be able to work with the likelihood that he won't help the team come playoff time.  Bass is a nice player, but his value is as a depth guy, not as a starter.  LA downgrades its frontcourt dramatically in this trade.  But, LA upgrades its backcourt significantly. This is the opposite of the C's scenario.  Thing is, if given the opportunity to significantly upgrade one or the other, don't you always take frontcourt? I would.  LA would be left to pray that Bynum can be dominant without Pau, and that is no guarantee. Oh, and he'd also need to stay healthy.  And then Nash turns 40. 

Re: C's/Suns/Lakers Trade Idea
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2012, 06:22:30 PM »

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Wow...Great idea.

It'll work great if there's another Lin in the D-League somewhere...Otherwise there'll be about 6 seconds left on the shot clock on those rare times we'll get the ball past halfcourt and set up the offense.

Once there is no real PG on the roster teams can press relentlessly and still stack the paint if we manage to get the ball upcourt.

I can't recall the last time I've seen a press work on the NBA level. Do you know how many press breakers can be used to destroy a press, especially at this level? Did Bradley and Moore leave us with 6 seconds left on the clock? On the contrary, Bradley was getting us into our offense sets faster than Rondo was.

Stack the paint? So who would you leave open? The double has to come from somewhere.

Re: C's/Suns/Lakers Trade Idea
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2012, 06:33:39 PM »

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Lakers trade Gasol for Nash?

Yeahhhhhh.  Nope.

Why not? Gasol has 2 years left on his deal, and while still playing at a high level he did not make the all-star team. Plus, he is owed nearly 40M during that time. Nash continues to play at a high level and did make the all-star team this year. I know it's hard to imagine that a player at his age can play at this level, but I think that has more to do with the advances in strength, conditioning, and proper nutrition. I think as time passes great play at an older age will become more and more routine. That said, don't you think at the very least Nash has 2 more solid season left in him?