Is Doc to blame for Rondo's non-aggressiveness?

[j804]

I would think ya know just about any other coach would pound it into his head be aggressive, attack the rim, etc etc same ol story

It just seems like does neither and doesn't get his share of the blame 

[OttawaCeltic]

Nah. Its just Rondo.

[PAOBoston]

doc can scream and tell him to be aggressive all he wants but if rondo is stubborn and doesnt listen, it wont do much good. rondo's inconsistent attacking the basket

 personally, one of the reasons for this imo is he bad ft shooting. secondly, i think he really gets bat up physically when he goes full tilt and it takes a toll on his body making him less effective.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Docs talk doesn't support his coaching...he said vs the lakers.."we need to run out there"...ya..who...no one he plays except rondo...rondo attck the rim......well if your other 4 guys are standing around, then there will be no open lanes..remember, the guy covering you, goes where YOU go.......if no one moves, nothing happens.= no lanes....a zone D could kill the celtics when their shooting fails....but the way the clets play, they put themsleves into a zone..sort of...doc's other theory...don't waste time rebounding......have you EVER heard a coach say that..it is impossible....it is amature......it flat out doesn't work.....and IF rondo goes to the rim...who follows his layup....no one.......all the current cletic schemes are enough to get a coach FIRED.......since when do they blame the players...anyway...

[CelticsFanNC]

  To me part of his problem is his best weapon has been all but taken away from  him.  He's one of if not the best open court PG in the NBA.  We don't rebound well enough, get to enough loose balls or cause enough turnovers to get into the open court with any consistency.  Even when we do no one is ever out in front of him.

  We didn't fast break a whole lot in the past few years but we did get out in the open court more then we are now.

  It's kind of like if you took the 3 point shot away from Ray Allen.  Rondo's bread and butter has been all but eliminated from the Celtic's due mostly to the age of the guys he plays most of his minutes with.

 

[Eddie20]

 To me part of his problem is his best weapon has been all but taken away from  him.  He's one of if not the best open court PG in the NBA.  We don't rebound well enough, get to enough loose balls or cause enough turnovers to get into the open court with any consistency.  Even when we do no one is ever out in front of him.

  We didn't fast break a whole lot in the past few years but we did get out in the open court more then we are now.

  It's kind of like if you took the 3 point shot away from Ray Allen.  Rondo's bread and butter has been all but eliminated from the Celtic's due mostly to the age of the guys he plays most of his minutes with.

 

That's all well and good, but if Rondo is only able to play in uptempo style basketball then what does it say about his chances of consistent success in halfcourt playoff basketball? Rondo only has himself to blame for his lack of aggressiveness that stems from his awful perimeter shooting.

[Celtics4ever]

Rondo only has himself to blame for his lack of aggressiveness that stems from his awful perimeter shooting.

How come people do not say the same thing about Bradley.  He is even a worse outside shooter.

I think our guys shut him out last two games.

[Eddie20]

Rondo only has himself to blame for his lack of aggressiveness that stems from his awful perimeter shooting.

How come people do not say the same thing about Bradley.  He is even a worse outside shooter.

I think our guys shut him out last two games.

I would say the obvious reason is that Bradley is 21 and in his 2nd year, while Rondo will be 26 later this month and in his 6th year. Trust me, Bradley will face the same criticism if he shows little to no improvement as Rondo has. However, he has much better form so I have a feeling he can be a solid shooter, especially on mid-range jumpers.

[Celtics4ever]

Lots of guys have decent form and can't shoot a lick.  Don't you worry about his basketball IQ.  I do.   Posting up out of bounds, saving it when it would have been our ball.   I think he is a very talented on the ball defender but elite players have had their way with him.   But my biggest worry is his decision making, inability to create his own shot and his passing which is almost non existent.

He might improve and he might not.   His pedigree is better than Rondo's in terms of his potential and high school rating.  But that is a huge gamble I think.   I think the improvement of Pierce had more to do with those wins than Bradley.  Moore is almost as good as Bradley not at defense but he is better in other areas.

The grass isn't always greener.  I bet there are teams inquiring about Rondo but no one is asking about Avery.   That ought to speak volumes to folks.

[Eddie20]

Lots of guys have decent form and can't shoot a lick.  Don't you worry about his basketball IQ.  I do.   Posting up out of bounds, saving it when it would have been our ball.   I think he is a very talented on the ball defender but elite players have had their way with him.   But my biggest worry is his decision making, inability to create his own shot and his passing which is almost non existent.

He might improve and he might not.   His pedigree is better than Rondo's in terms of his potential and high school rating.  But that is a huge gamble I think.   I think the improvement of Pierce had more to do with those wins than Bradley.  Moore is almost as good as Bradley not at defense but he is better in other areas.

The grass isn't always greener.  I bet there are teams inquiring about Rondo but no one is asking about Avery.   That ought to speak volumes to folks.

Again, he's only 21. Plus, if you think about it, he's never even had a training camp yet.

Obviously Rondo would be more attractive to teams than Bradley. I don't think anyone has questioned that. And it's not as if the C's are choosing between Rondo and Bradley. In this scenario they would be choosing Gasol over Rondo.  Plus, you really can't say for certain that "no one" has asked about Avery. Who wouldn't want a 21 year old defensive minded player with good upside on their roster?

[dark_lord]

doc can scream and tell him to be aggressive all he wants but if rondo is stubborn and doesnt listen, it wont do much good. rondo's inconsistent attacking the basket

exactly!

[Celtics4ever]

Again, he's only 21. Plus, if you think about it, he's never even had a training camp yet.

So age matters?   Well I call BS on your theory.  Here is why I think it's BS.   John Wall at 20 he can shoot.  Jrue Holiday is 21 and he can shoot.  James Harden is 21 and can shoot.  Eric Gordon, Westbrook and D. Rose and Love are 22 and can shoot.  These guys could do it from the get go.

There are plenty of young guys who can fill it up.  Austin Rivers is younger and he can shoot.   None of these guys shoot like Bradley at 9% from three point land.  Oh, but he kills them at practice, ****.

I wish you were right but I don't Bradley is as good as most fans here think he is in value or playing ability.

[CelticsFanNC]

 To me part of his problem is his best weapon has been all but taken away from  him.  He's one of if not the best open court PG in the NBA.  We don't rebound well enough, get to enough loose balls or cause enough turnovers to get into the open court with any consistency.  Even when we do no one is ever out in front of him.

  We didn't fast break a whole lot in the past few years but we did get out in the open court more then we are now.

  It's kind of like if you took the 3 point shot away from Ray Allen.  Rondo's bread and butter has been all but eliminated from the Celtic's due mostly to the age of the guys he plays most of his minutes with.

  

That's all well and good, but if Rondo is only able to play in uptempo style basketball then what does it say about his chances of consistent success in halfcourt playoff basketball? Rondo only has himself to blame for his lack of aggressiveness that stems from his awful perimeter shooting.

  He's not at his best in the half court but if he were as bad as people around here say we don't win the title in 2007-08 or come close again two years later.  Rondo looks a whole lot better in the half court when his teammates are hitting shots.

  As far as playoff basketball, Rondo's track record speaks volumes.  He has dominated entire playoff series' that have not only included our own future HOFers but also the past two NBA MVP's.  He is a guy who has shown the ability to come up huge in the post season.  That is undeniable.

[Swoopz]

Again, he's only 21. Plus, if you think about it, he's never even had a training camp yet.

So age matters?   Well I call BS on your theory.  Here is why I think it's BS.   John Wall at 20 he can shoot.  Jrue Holiday is 21 and he can shoot.  James Harden is 21 and can shoot.  Eric Gordon, Westbrook and D. Rose and Love are 22 and can shoot.  These guys could do it from the get go.

There are plenty of young guys who can fill it up.  Austin Rivers is younger and he can shoot.   None of these guys shoot like Bradley at 9% from three point land.  Oh, but he kills them at practice, ****.

I wish you were right but I don't Bradley is as good as most fans here think he is in value or playing ability.

I think his point was that Bradley hasn't been able to get into a good rhythm with his shot yet. He's only a sophomore and barely played last year. I think after he hits a couple of shots in games he'll be more comfortable.

[colincb]

No.