Is Doc to blame for Rondo's non-aggressiveness?

[CelticsFanNC]

Rondo plays better with guys who run it was obvious today.

  Yup.  I've been saying it for a while now.  Put another pair of younger athletic legs on the floor with Rondo rather then four pairs of old legs and Rondo can do what he does best.  

It just takes one other guy running out ahead of him to stretch the transition defense.  It gives Rondo options.  He can hit a seem created by someone running and take it to the hole.  He can hit the guy running ahead of him when he is open.  He can take it into the paint and then pass out to Pierce or Allen trailing the play.  It's easy offence all cause by one guy getting ahead of Rondo and Rondo doing what he does best.

  It rarely happens when JO starts because it four pairs of old legs leaving Rondo to run by himself or wait for his teammates to get up the floor and into the half court set.

 

[jambr380]

I absolutely believe that Doc is to blame for much of the passivity by Rondo at the end of games. If Doc really wanted Rondo to run at the end of games, he would gotten him to do so by now and, if Rondo refused, he would have benched him.

With all of that being said, Doc is obviously a great coach and this current Celtics team has been so fun to watch these past few years.

[Capricious]

Part of the problem may be that Rondo is the only one who runs the floor, so our transition buckets are either him going 1 v 4 or hitting the trailer.

In the halfcourt, I can't remember the last time Rondo drove and laid it to someone in the paint - he always has to kick it out to a jump shooter.  Maybe if our bigs got in position for easy buckets when he drives he'd be more willing to do it?

[Eja117]

Some people might disagree, but Doc is to blame in one sense....if he puts Rondo in there with 4 very old players and Rondo runs down the court and looks back to see one guy pulling up lame and three others trying with all their might to push their walkers down the court and suddenly Rondo gets passive, then that is definitely Doc's fault.  And if Doc has told him not to attack the rim without help because he can't shoot free throws....well then a lot of people are at fault

[Employee8]

Just imagine Rondo on the Hawks with the current cast down there.  They'd give the Heat a real run for their money.

[Greenbean]

Some people might disagree, but Doc is to blame in one sense....if he puts Rondo in there with 4 very old players and Rondo runs down the court and looks back to see one guy pulling up lame and three others trying with all their might to push their walkers down the court and suddenly Rondo gets passive, then that is definitely Doc's fault.  And if Doc has told him not to attack the rim without help because he can't shoot free throws....well then a lot of people are at fault

You know I agree with you, but for some reason, when Pierce was playing pg without Rondo, it seemed like the Celts could easily get out on the break.

Rondo has a lot of intangible qualities on the court.However, I feel that he doesnt know when to push and when to walk.

[Fafnir]

Some people might disagree, but Doc is to blame in one sense....if he puts Rondo in there with 4 very old players and Rondo runs down the court and looks back to see one guy pulling up lame and three others trying with all their might to push their walkers down the court and suddenly Rondo gets passive, then that is definitely Doc's fault.  And if Doc has told him not to attack the rim without help because he can't shoot free throws....well then a lot of people are at fault

You know I agree with you, but for some reason, when Pierce was playing pg without Rondo, it seemed like the Celts could easily get out on the break.

I addressed this when you said this a week or two ago, but the Celtics had their PPG in transition cut in half when Pierce ran the offense in Rondo's absence.

The C's didn't run much without Rondo and would have been last in the league had they done that for the whole season.

[JBone4eva]

Rondo plays better with guys who run it was obvious today.

  Yup.  I've been saying it for a while now.  Put another pair of younger athletic legs on the floor with Rondo rather then four pairs of old legs and Rondo can do what he does best.  

It just takes one other guy running out ahead of him to stretch the transition defense.  It gives Rondo options.  He can hit a seem created by someone running and take it to the hole.  He can hit the guy running ahead of him when he is open.  He can take it into the paint and then pass out to Pierce or Allen trailing the play.  It's easy offence all cause by one guy getting ahead of Rondo and Rondo doing what he does best.

  It rarely happens when JO starts because it four pairs of old legs leaving Rondo to run by himself or wait for his teammates to get up the floor and into the half court set.

 

I agree completely. everyone here knows that Rondo is at his best and most effective on the fast break.  Increase his ability to have fast breaks (by inserting younger more athletic players who can finish) and Rondo is more effective.  If anyone rewatches the Raptor game, on at least three occasions Rondo was running up the floor (halfheartedly) waving his hands for players to get ahead of him, which they didn't, lousy offense ensued.  I think that was part reason why he looked so p---ed that game, and honestly the beginning of the Bulls game, he seemed more like himself during the 3rd when he actually had players ahead of him on multiple breaks.

Rondo makes our team better, and athletic players (preferably bigs) make Rondo better, its as simple as that in my opinion.  This is pretty apparent to a casual observer, Wilcox needs to start for the duration (except against Dwight and Bynum), and JJ needs increased minutes playing with Rondo. I absolutely cannot wait until JJ and Rondo develop chemistry on the floor, that is what I've been waiting for since we drafted JJ.  It was awesome seeing the surfaced scratched with the fast break and the spoon feeding for the two open jumpers yesterday.

[Greenbean]

Some people might disagree, but Doc is to blame in one sense....if he puts Rondo in there with 4 very old players and Rondo runs down the court and looks back to see one guy pulling up lame and three others trying with all their might to push their walkers down the court and suddenly Rondo gets passive, then that is definitely Doc's fault.  And if Doc has told him not to attack the rim without help because he can't shoot free throws....well then a lot of people are at fault

You know I agree with you, but for some reason, when Pierce was playing pg without Rondo, it seemed like the Celts could easily get out on the break.

I addressed this when you said this a week or two ago, but the Celtics had their PPG in transition cut in half when Pierce ran the offense in Rondo's absence.

The C's didn't run much without Rondo and would have been last in the league had they done that for the whole season.

Thanks for the numbers Faf...it was just an observation...didnt have proof.

That being said, I guess I just liked the tempo and pace better.

Rondo was great at dictating the pace last night, but much of the season, I have seen him crawling up the floor and I thought it was just because his lineup was old. Then I saw Pierce running the show and noticed we were getting good shots earlier in the shot clock with a simplified offense.

I still see Rondo taking too much time to initiate offense and maybe that is Doc's fault. Plays that are designed to get Ray open are taking too much time to develop and if he doesnt get open (more frequent lately) the offense grinds to a halt unless Rondo can make a play.

Something I had not considered was that Ray was missing for alot of the games Pierce was playing point forward too...

[j804]

Haven't we already heard for years the C's want Rondo to attack the rim and draw fouls to put the other team in the penalty?  There's only one person to blame here.

He doesn't stress it though judging from postgame comments or articles that's what I'm getting at. I dont know obviously im not in the locker room but the message was sent as shown last night. I'm pretty sure like KG said Rondo's rough day was Doc getting on his ass to attack. The younger athletic bigs did help, but not only that Rondo was attacking the rim even when they weren't in the game AND looking to score or get fouled.

[bfrombleacher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyO3B9v6jSo

Does the spacing look different without JO?

Our old players, especially JO, are like....medicinal leeches (hit me up if you got a better metaphor). If you leave them on the right amount of time, they'll do their job and do it well. Leave them on too long and they'll suck the life and energy out of the system.