If DA is going to pull the trigger it needs to happen now for two reasons.

[Sketch5]

First, if he's going to trade to try to win he needs to do it so the new players know the system by playoffs.

I think the best trade f he's going to get ride of Rondo is the Nash/Gorta idea thats been floating around. That gives them a better chance than the Gasol trade. Not only do you get a good passing PG. but he opens the floor. Only problem is Chicago. But if Denge isn't healthy by that point, Peirce will have a great series, and you can let Rose get 40 as long as every one else gets shut down.

Second would be if he's going to blow it up. do it now, get certain players you can trade to contending teams, get some picks and start rebuilding next year with the deep draft. Some of the picks could even be for some vet players so they have a nice mix next year, and the year after pick up some more of the FA's in the heave 2013 FA season.


Now I love the team, but you can tell things aren't right. Maybe theres a trade going down and thats why the team has no energy and why Ray and Rondo haven't played well.

The other thing is, that Rondo is NOT a great half court PG. He's at his best in the fast break, his passes are insane at times. But you get him in the half court it slows WAY down and some of his passes gets picked off. And ball movement slows down because they run too many plays for Ray, and it takes 15 seconds to run it. Players need to move and drive to the hoop so Ray's defender looses him trying to help out in the team defense.

 This is why Nash would be good for this year, but then we loose some youth. But then we do get a solid center. This is why DA needs to figure out what he wants to do. Go for it this year, or go for it in 3-5 years. Its why no trade would be perfect, we either loose a player we love, or watch a up and down season.

So if they can't move Rondo. They need to move other players for younger legs. Last night I saw a couple times Rondo running half speed with the ball waiting for everyone else. Thats not fun to watch.

But at the end of the Day my hear wants to see this team in the playoffs. I like their chances against any one. It just depends on what team shows up. The pounding of Orlando team, or the getting pounded by Toronto team.

[PosImpos]

Honestly, the Nash trade would only make sense if we were swapping 1st rounders with Phoenix in addition to getting Nash and Gortat, and perhaps Hill. 

That seemed plausible back at the beginning of the year, but now that Gortat has been putting up Marc Gasol type numbers, I don't think Phoenix would consider putting him in the trade package, let alone sending us their first rounder along with him.

[CelticsFanNC]

  Personally I don't think it makes sense to do much of anything with an eye on contending for a title this season.  Anything Ainge does he should have an eye on next year and into the future.   If somehow they could prove me wrong I'd be thrilled but I don't see it happening.  We don't have the assets to bring in anyone who can transform this team into a title contender this season.  Bringing in more older guys to me is counter productive.

  Just my opinion.

[PosImpos]

  Personally I don't think it makes sense to do much of anything with an eye on contending for a title this season.  Anything Ainge does he should have an eye on next year and into the future.   If somehow they could prove me wrong I'd be thrilled but I don't see it happening.  We don't have the assets to bring in anyone who can transform this team into a title contender this season.  Bringing in more older guys to me is counter productive.

  Just my opinion.

I agree.  Which is why if there's a deal to help us rebuild which involves trading Rondo, then I say go for it.

[greenlion]

i don't think there is any available body out there that can dramatically change our pace..the team we have now are the pieces that really fit, we just have to believe..facing adversity and overcoming it is better than whining on losses which were expected anyway...we can't have 'em all so they say, for naysayers, the celts are gonna be surprising a lot of folks this year, this was not seen through a crystal ball, rather through the ball on the court..you guys wait and see...

[Murta]

IMO we should trade Rondo for some young C/PF that would lower our wage budget and attract both Deron and Howard during the next FA.
That guy should play C this season and PF next. I see two options: Monroe or Cousins. But both their teams do not nead a PG. 
Maybe this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7lunmwl + Pistons 1st.
We go way low under salary cap and Pistons can shop Rondo and get sb they want.

[PosImpos]

IMO we should trade Rondo for some young C/PF that would lower our wage budget and attract both Deron and Howard during the next FA.
That guy should play C this season and PF next. I see two options: Monroe or Cousins. But both their teams do not nead a PG. 
Maybe this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7lunmwl + Pistons 1st.
We go way low under salary cap and Pistons can shop Rondo and get sb they want.

the problem is that point guards are a dime a dozen in this league (nearly every team has a good one now) and talented centers / power forwards with legitimate size are really hard to come by.

point being, i don't think there's any team that would trade us a young center with potential for Rondo.

[clover]

First, if he's going to trade to try to win he needs to do it so the new players know the system by playoffs.

I think the best trade f he's going to get ride of Rondo is the Nash/Gorta idea thats been floating around. That gives them a better chance than the Gasol trade. Not only do you get a good passing PG. but he opens the floor. Only problem is Chicago. But if Denge isn't healthy by that point, Peirce will have a great series, and you can let Rose get 40 as long as every one else gets shut down.

Second would be if he's going to blow it up. do it now, get certain players you can trade to contending teams, get some picks and start rebuilding next year with the deep draft. Some of the picks could even be for some vet players so they have a nice mix next year, and the year after pick up some more of the FA's in the heave 2013 FA season.


Now I love the team, but you can tell things aren't right. Maybe theres a trade going down and thats why the team has no energy and why Ray and Rondo haven't played well.

The other thing is, that Rondo is NOT a great half court PG. He's at his best in the fast break, his passes are insane at times. But you get him in the half court it slows WAY down and some of his passes gets picked off. And ball movement slows down because they run too many plays for Ray, and it takes 15 seconds to run it. Players need to move and drive to the hoop so Ray's defender looses him trying to help out in the team defense.

 This is why Nash would be good for this year, but then we loose some youth. But then we do get a solid center. This is why DA needs to figure out what he wants to do. Go for it this year, or go for it in 3-5 years. Its why no trade would be perfect, we either loose a player we love, or watch a up and down season.

So if they can't move Rondo. They need to move other players for younger legs. Last night I saw a couple times Rondo running half speed with the ball waiting for everyone else. Thats not fun to watch.

But at the end of the Day my hear wants to see this team in the playoffs. I like their chances against any one. It just depends on what team shows up. The pounding of Orlando team, or the getting pounded by Toronto team.

I think trading to win, especially in this situation in a shortened and compressed year, given Doc's systems and coaching, is a pipe dream.

[clover]

IMO we should trade Rondo for some young C/PF that would lower our wage budget and attract both Deron and Howard during the next FA.
That guy should play C this season and PF next. I see two options: Monroe or Cousins. But both their teams do not nead a PG.  
Maybe this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7lunmwl + Pistons 1st.
We go way low under salary cap and Pistons can shop Rondo and get sb they want.

Maybe Hibbert is in between and sent to one of the other teams?

[Murta]

Hibbert isn't going form Indiana.

the problem is that point guards are a dime a dozen in this league (nearly every team has a good one now) and talented centers / power forwards with legitimate size are really hard to come by.

point being, i don't think there's any team that would trade us a young center with potential for Rondo.

You're right. But, if we could get some security from D-Will and Dwight, I'd trade Rondo, Bass + Clipp's 1st for Monroe and filters. They could ultimately get a lot from this deal (maybe Favors and Utah pick for Rondo).
Favors, Bass and 2 picks for Monroe is a lot.

[vinnie]

i don't think there is any available body out there that can dramatically change our pace..the team we have now are the pieces that really fit, we just have to believe..facing adversity and overcoming it is better than whining on losses which were expected anyway...we can't have 'em all so they say, for naysayers, the celts are gonna be surprising a lot of folks this year, this was not seen through a crystal ball, rather through the ball on the court..you guys wait and see...

So wait. Are you saying the loss last night to the Raptors was expected?

[Geo123]

IMO we should trade Rondo for some young C/PF that would lower our wage budget and attract both Deron and Howard during the next FA.
That guy should play C this season and PF next. I see two options: Monroe or Cousins. But both their teams do not nead a PG. 
Maybe this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7lunmwl + Pistons 1st.
We go way low under salary cap and Pistons can shop Rondo and get sb they want.

Why do you think Detroit would do this trade?

[Murta]

They would have Bass as a staring PF and could trade Rondo to improve their team with a player one another position. Or even trade him and their top 10 pick (I think they can't be top 5, they aren't that bad) for a top 5 to get a new superstar.
Monroe isn't a guy who can be a franchise player. Briliant as a second, but not the leading player.

[gpap]

  Personally I don't think it makes sense to do much of anything with an eye on contending for a title this season.  Anything Ainge does he should have an eye on next year and into the future.   If somehow they could prove me wrong I'd be thrilled but I don't see it happening.  We don't have the assets to bring in anyone who can transform this team into a title contender this season.  Bringing in more older guys to me is counter productive.

  Just my opinion.

Ah yes, the popular rebuilding idea. I've heard alot about it. Personally, I'd rather see Danny make a move to help us contend for a title this year. If the team starts playing "for the future" instead of this season, I stop watching.

[nickagneta]

If DA is going to pull the trigger it needs to happen now for two reasons:

1. Because I said so

2. Because half of Celticsblog demands it.