Jeremy Lin (merged threads)

[Kiorrik]

I've got no words for how small minded I think this whole racism biz is.

Back in Holland we can joke about just about anything, and no one cares: BECAUSE IT'S A JOKE.

I know a Turkish women, and yes, she was white/fair-skinned and was denied entrance to a club in Holland. They said, 'Dutch only', as a way to brush her off.

Because she'd lived in America, for 5-7 years, she told 'em that she was American (even though she didn't get her citizenship yet), and they then, decided to admit her. I guess getting a US passport turns a Near Easterner into a proper *white* in Europe.

So racism in Europe is alive and well. It's become more Nazi-like, since the mid-80s, from all the progress it made, since the second world war.

Not saying racism doesn't happen in Holland, I'm not that thick.

[Roy H.]

I've got no words for how small minded I think this whole racism biz is.

Back in Holland we can joke about just about anything, and no one cares: BECAUSE IT'S A JOKE.

I know a Turkish women, and yes, she was white/fair-skinned and was denied entrance to a club in Holland. They said, 'Dutch only', as a way to brush her off.

Because she'd lived in America, for 5-7 years, she told 'em that she was American (even though she didn't get her citizenship yet), and they then, decided to admit her. I guess getting a US passport turns a Near Easterner into a proper *white* in Europe.

So racism in Europe is alive and well. It's become more Nazi-like, since the mid-80s, from all the progress it made, since the second world war.

Wait, we give passports to non-citizens who have only been here 5 to 7 years?

[GreenFaith1819]

I've got no words for how small minded I think this whole racism biz is.

Back in Holland we can joke about just about anything, and no one cares: BECAUSE IT'S A JOKE.

Jeez. People really need to learn to grow some thicker skin.


.edit: man, that uptightness about race, jokes, and all of that... it's really, thoroughly getting to me. It ticks me off. It makes me angry that people can't take a thing, and I guess we owe it all to the *actual* racists. They're making life hard for the rest of us. Dumb people. I hate people *that* dumb.

/rant

Shut up, Dirk.

I think the racism issue here in America is because of the past history of it. It is a hard thing to live down, but it isn't always black or white, I'm afraid.

For me, I rarely even saw a different race outside of Black until I was in my 11-13 year old years...then I moved and a few years after that I joined the service.

Boy did I get an awakening...so many different races, ethnicities, thoughts, attitudes, views, you name it. I learned over time that not only did my thoughts/opinions mattered - but others did, too. I could not listen to just my music, but had to experience other's likes, too.

I had to experience other foods, too....but the hilarious thing for me is that whenever I went overseas I always looked for a McDonalds .

And found one, too! Most of the time.

And Kiorrik - if you should EVER meet anyone in the service, don't let them fool you into thinking that an Aircraft Carrier has McDonald's on it....that was a cruel joke my more senior shipmates played on me when I first joined.

But don't worry about it, man - you have a different world view, and that is ok - it's just something that we deal with over here. I'm optimistic that things are getting better, but there are still a ways to go.

[TitleMaster]

I've got no words for how small minded I think this whole racism biz is.

Back in Holland we can joke about just about anything, and no one cares: BECAUSE IT'S A JOKE.

I know a Turkish women, and yes, she was white/fair-skinned and was denied entrance to a club in Holland. They said, 'Dutch only', as a way to brush her off.

Because she'd lived in America, for 5-7 years, she told 'em that she was American (even though she didn't get her citizenship yet), and they then, decided to admit her. I guess getting a US passport turns a Near Easterner into a proper *white* in Europe.

So racism in Europe is alive and well. It's become more Nazi-like, since the mid-80s, from all the progress it made, since the second world war.

Wait, we give passports to non-citizens who have only been here 5 to 7 years?

She had a Green Card, And yes, she was getting ready to take her citizenship exams.

[GreenFaith1819]

Off-topic (sorry)....Kevin Durant CANNOT be only 6'9"...I am sure he was just looking Kevin Love directly in the eyes during the Three-pt shootout...wow.

[TitleMaster]

Not saying racism doesn't happen in Holland, I'm not that thick.

Ok, but in America, no one would have barred her from an open gathering like that, based upon some perception of a Turkish woman being a second class citizen.

In America, almost all racism is based upon skin color (an unfortunate truth, but one we're openly accepting & trying to change over time) or the English vs Spanish speaking divide.

And as for east Asians, it's the whole "foreign" vs white ethnic, thus east Asians will not get this sort of Armenian-American acceptance, like those from former Soviet regimes. Thus the Asian-American ethnic identity is limited to places like Hawaii for the Americas.

Lin is trying to overcome this, by not sticking out like a sore thumb, but simply playing good b-ball and being himself. He's not representing a bloc, to challenge some Yankee hegemony. Thus, use the Graham Cracker (a part of a good Cheesecake or any baking dish in NY area), and don't make this about his racial background.

[TitleMaster]

Not saying racism doesn't happen in Holland, I'm not that thick.

or the English vs Spanish speaking divide.

On the English/Spanish divide, if Mexico were an English speaking nation, there would be very little animosity between the US and Mexico, outside the normal sports and food rivalries. On the whole, Americans believe in fair play.

The source of the tension is that mainstay America doesn't want Spanish speaking multi-generational, subdivided nationalities within the borders. The idea is that everyone, regardless where they'd come from, dropped their great grandparents' language (unless they're from England, obviously), and learned the common language of the US.

For Europe, it's more about distinct nation-states and the division of nationalities than anything else. From the European perspective, Romanians are seen as worse than let's say West Virginians in America. Many Americans know that West VA is an economically depressed region. But really, anyone from there can move to let's say Pittsburgh, find work or start a business, and make a life for himself. They can also stay in West VA and make a life there. Regardless, most Americans will respect that person.

On the other hand, a Romanian, no matter how much he/she achieves, will always be referenced as a 'dirty Gypsy', in a lot of western Europe because Romania had provided amnesty to Gypsies after WWII. Is that a really enlightened, modern view, or something not to dissimilar to the Eugenics thinking of the 1930s?

[KGs Knee]

I've got no words for how small minded I think this whole racism biz is.

Back in Holland we can joke about just about anything, and no one cares: BECAUSE IT'S A JOKE.

I know a Turkish women, and yes, she was white/fair-skinned and was denied entrance to a club in Holland. They said, 'Dutch only', as a way to brush her off.

Because she'd lived in America, for 5-7 years, she told 'em that she was American (even though she didn't get her citizenship yet), and they then, decided to admit her. I guess getting a US passport turns a Near Easterner into a proper *white* in Europe.

So racism in Europe is alive and well. It's become more Nazi-like, since the mid-80s, from all the progress it made, since the second world war.

Wait, we give passports to non-citizens who have only been here 5 to 7 years?

She had a Green Card, And yes, she was getting ready to take her citizenship exams.

I'm not looking to start trouble here, but, I hope all you're doing here is mis-remembering the story.

It is a fact you can NOT get an American passport if you are not a citizen.  A green card is not enough, waiting to take your citizenship exam is also not enough.

I know this well.  My girlfriend, who is Indonesian, was required to keep her native passport until she became an official citizen.  You can not even apply for an American passport until you actually have your official citizenship documentation in hand.

[TitleMaster]

I've got no words for how small minded I think this whole racism biz is.

Back in Holland we can joke about just about anything, and no one cares: BECAUSE IT'S A JOKE.

I know a Turkish women, and yes, she was white/fair-skinned and was denied entrance to a club in Holland. They said, 'Dutch only', as a way to brush her off.

Because she'd lived in America, for 5-7 years, she told 'em that she was American (even though she didn't get her citizenship yet), and they then, decided to admit her. I guess getting a US passport turns a Near Easterner into a proper *white* in Europe.

So racism in Europe is alive and well. It's become more Nazi-like, since the mid-80s, from all the progress it made, since the second world war.

Wait, we give passports to non-citizens who have only been here 5 to 7 years?

She had a Green Card, And yes, she was getting ready to take her citizenship exams.

I'm not looking to start trouble here, but, I hope all you're doing here is mis-remembering the story.

It is a fact you can NOT get an American passport if you are not a citizen.  A green card is not enough, waiting to take your citizenship exam is also not enough.

I know this well.  My girlfriend, who is Indonesian, was required to keep her native passport until she became an official citizen.  You can not even apply for an American passport until you actually have your official citizenship documentation in hand.

Ok, you really didn't catch what I'd said. She didn't go to a Dutch Immigration officer, and flash a fake US passport, while hiding her Turkish passport.

She was specifically barred at a club/social venue in Holland, because the doorman caught her accent and said that it was for 'Dutch' only. She then said, she's an American and had arrived from Boston MA USA. In other words, she dropped a convenient lie, because she was only a few months from her citizenship exam. Then, the Dutch neo-Nazi bouncer, realized that Americans were like the British, (white & good people) and so, he let her in.

What part of the above doesn't make sense to you?!

This is blatant Euro-based racism against people whom they view as inferior nationalities.

[Kiorrik]

I've got no words for how small minded I think this whole racism biz is.

Back in Holland we can joke about just about anything, and no one cares: BECAUSE IT'S A JOKE.

I know a Turkish women, and yes, she was white/fair-skinned and was denied entrance to a club in Holland. They said, 'Dutch only', as a way to brush her off.

Because she'd lived in America, for 5-7 years, she told 'em that she was American (even though she didn't get her citizenship yet), and they then, decided to admit her. I guess getting a US passport turns a Near Easterner into a proper *white* in Europe.

So racism in Europe is alive and well. It's become more Nazi-like, since the mid-80s, from all the progress it made, since the second world war.

Wait, we give passports to non-citizens who have only been here 5 to 7 years?

She had a Green Card, And yes, she was getting ready to take her citizenship exams.

I'm not looking to start trouble here, but, I hope all you're doing here is mis-remembering the story.

It is a fact you can NOT get an American passport if you are not a citizen.  A green card is not enough, waiting to take your citizenship exam is also not enough.

I know this well.  My girlfriend, who is Indonesian, was required to keep her native passport until she became an official citizen.  You can not even apply for an American passport until you actually have your official citizenship documentation in hand.

Ok, you really didn't catch what I'd said. She didn't go to a Dutch Immigration officer, and flash a fake US passport, while hiding her Turkish passport.

She was specifically barred at a club/social venue in Holland, because the doorman caught her accent and said that it was for 'Dutch' only. She then said, she's an American and had arrived from Boston MA USA. In other words, she dropped a convenient lie, because she was only a few months from her citizenship exam. Then, the Dutch neo-Nazi bouncer, realized that Americans were like the British, (white & good people) and so, he let her in.

What part of the above doesn't make sense to you?!

This is blatant Euro-based racism against people whom they view as inferior nationalities.

And there's my point again. As I said: it's the racist idiots that screw it up for others.

I hate racism, I really, really hate it.

Aside from that, I have a severe disliking for people throwing a fit over frikkin' Fortune Cookies in my Ben & Jerry's. It disgusts me how some people go all "OMG YOU CANT DO THAT" over silly stuff like that. Especially since it's supposed to be an homage to a guy who's currently playing great basketball.

I doubt, I SERIOUSLY doubt, that Lin would pull the racism card on it either.

But that's enough of this type of discussion for me, I'm already over my monthly caps-lock allowance.

[TitleMaster]

Ok, you really didn't catch what I'd said. She didn't go to a Dutch Immigration officer, and flash a fake US passport, while hiding her Turkish passport.

She was specifically barred at a club/social venue in Holland, because the doorman caught her accent and said that it was for 'Dutch' only. She then said, she's an American and had arrived from Boston MA USA. In other words, she dropped a convenient lie, because she was only a few months from her citizenship exam. Then, the Dutch neo-Nazi bouncer, realized that Americans were like the British, (white & good people) and so, he let her in.

What part of the above doesn't make sense to you?!

This is blatant Euro-based racism against people whom they view as inferior nationalities.

And there's my point again. As I said: it's the racist idiots that screw it up for others.

I hate racism, I really, really hate it.

Aside from that, I have a severe disliking for people throwing a fit over frikkin' Fortune Cookies in my Ben & Jerry's. It disgusts me how some people go all "OMG YOU CANT DO THAT" over silly stuff like that. Especially since it's supposed to be an homage to a guy who's currently playing great basketball.

I doubt, I SERIOUSLY doubt, that Lin would pull the racism card on it either.

But that's enough of this type of discussion for me, I'm already over my monthly caps-lock allowance.

Yeah, but no one in America treats her poorly. She's never been barred from anything here. Even the so-called 'shoot first' types don't blame her, from being from a Muslim majority country, for 9/11, because they can see that she's not like a typical *troublemaker* but a nice, cultured woman.

So what does that say about the great, enlightened Europe ... home of Voltaire, Goethe, Rembrandt, Beethoven, and Newton?

The problem is that numerous folks ... people from Turkey, India, Slavic nations, etc, say that Europe derives too much of its self-esteem from history than their own modern day accomplishments whereas Americans live in the here and now. And as a result, most would prefer to live/work in America over Europe, any day.

So while Ben Franklin, Ralph Emerson, etc, are widely regarded by American historians, the regular person tries to achieve some sense of value in present-time w/o using the olde European scapegoat ... 'oh, those Romanians are a bunch of Gypsy vagabonds', as if they were Mozarts in themselves, instead of a bunch of average people who can't stand the fact that both the Americas and east Asia have surpassed them economically or technologically, since WWII.

And as for Lin, sure he's focused enough to not use the race card but guess what, I'd be wise enough to drop the fortune cookies and put in something, that's widely used by other NY bakeries, since Lin's also propping up the New York Knicks & the NY sports scene, in general. There's no need to splinter this guy into some cartoonish Chinatown motif. Right now, the NY Knicks and Lin are doing well, let's celebrate them.

[Kiorrik]

Yeah, but no one in America treats her poorly.

That's because it's America, not the Netherlands. In the Netherlands, the racism goes towards Turkish people and Moroccans. It has nothing to do with 9/11 (which didn't affect us half as much as it did America) and has been here since well before 9/11.

It also has nothing to do with Nazis, which you mentioned earlier, but I don't expect you to know that because you're not from the Netherlands

Also, I never said anything about "enlightened Europe", nor will I ever. I *will* say, that jokes about race are what some of the biggest comedians in the Netherlands got famous for. And that *includes* jokes about Dutch people themselves.

We're all about satire, making fun of our flaws, etc. Not being allowed to make jokes about certain races because it's "sensitive", in my opinion, is equal to positive discrimination.

[TitleMaster]

Yeah, but no one in America treats her poorly.

That's because it's America, not the Netherlands. In the Netherlands, the racism goes towards Turkish people and Moroccans. It has nothing to do with 9/11 (which didn't affect us half as much as it did America) and has been here since well before 9/11.

I'm sure the racism also extends to the Indonesians, eastern Europeaners, and other Asian nationalities.

In other words, if you're not British, German, Dutch, or Danish, you're a second class citizen.

It also has nothing to do with Nazis, which you mentioned earlier, but I don't expect you to know that because you're not from the Netherlands

Nazism here refers not to Hitler's boys per se but this idea that Europeans are culturally and racially superior to others 'cause of Voltaire, Goethe, Newton, and Rembrandt. And since these other countries didn't produce such laudable characters, then they're worthless human beings.

Also, I never said anything about "enlightened Europe", nor will I ever. I *will* say, that jokes about race are what some of the biggest comedians in the Netherlands got famous for. And that *includes* jokes about Dutch people themselves.

We're all about satire, making fun of our flaws, etc. Not being allowed to make jokes about certain races because it's "sensitive", in my opinion, is equal to positive discrimination.

In other words, slapping down some Romanians, labeling them as stealing Gypsies, instead of human beings, is funny.

Let me tell you, I know Romanians here in America. We treat 'em as 1st class citizens because they've done everything, just like in my metaphor about West Virginians. And once they're settled and contributing, no one treats 'em poorly. I'm yet to here of Americans calling Romanians, dirty gypsies. I hear that from Europeans and even, our Canadians friends in the north.

And let me tell you, no white American is afraid of Homer Simpson, as a caricature of a stupid white American simpleton. That's what you get when you have majority status.

Yes, America has issues with skin color, Spanish speaking diaporas, etc, however, on the whole, Americans aim at fair play. There were comedians, just like your European friends, using the N' word and curry-smelling insults on various Asians, but guess what... after a while, white Americans stood up, and tossed those clowns out of the comedy circuit because they said that that kind of talk, was low class and uncalled for. This is what makes America different and hopefully, a better society, long term.

[LarBrd33]

Let's bring this back to Linsanity.

For what it's worth, he was the worst performer in the entire rookie/sophomore game.  Wouldn't read too much into it... but it could be the end of an era.

Time to jump on the Thomasanity bandwagon.

[TitleMaster]

Let's bring this back to Linsanity.

For what it's worth, he was the worst performer in the entire rookie/sophomore game.  Wouldn't read too much into it... but it could be the end of an era.

Time to jump on the Thomasanity bandwagon.

And that's just it, I made my series of diatribes to simply treat him, as a man, no more no less.