Jeremy Lin (merged threads)

[LooseCannon]

This might be stupid but please help me out... I just don't get the racist part of Chink In The Armor? (I seriously don't).

Check out Urban Dictionary and Wikipedia.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

This might be stupid but please help me out... I just don't get the racist part of Chink In The Armor? (I seriously don't).

Check out Urban Dictionary and Wikipedia.

Ohhhhhh. I didn't know that. I believe ESPN didn't mean it that way though I guess.

[The Walker Wiggle]

This might be stupid but please help me out... I just don't get the racist part of Chink In The Armor? (I seriously don't).

Check out Urban Dictionary and Wikipedia.

Ohhhhhh. I didn't know that. I believe ESPN didn't mean it that way though I guess.

I'm dumbfounded by the number of people who want to chalk this up to coincidence.

[LooseCannon]

So, who watched Saturday Night Live?

[KGs Knee]

You know what I would love? If ESPN released a statement saying: "Oh get over it. It wasn't meant like that, and we'll leave it because we STILL don't mean it in that way."

People need to learn that it's not about how you interpret something: it's about how the other person *meant* it.

That's a ridiculous ethical egoist notion that we don't have any duties towards others.  People don't live in a bubble, so a reasonable expectation of how other people might interpret something is just as important as what you mean.

And this right here sums up everything that is wrong with American culture.

I should not have to go through life wondering if someone might misinterpret my words, taking what would otherwise be completely innocuous, and turning it into something offensive.  If my intent was pure, that's your problem if you thought I meant something else by what I said.  I should not have to stop using normal vernacular, because others want to twist innocent words to mean something nefarious.  Are we really, as a society, ok with allowing the bigots to hijack our language?

I refuse to allow the actions of others to change my behaviour.  

[Kiorrik]

You know what I would love? If ESPN released a statement saying: "Oh get over it. It wasn't meant like that, and we'll leave it because we STILL don't mean it in that way."

People need to learn that it's not about how you interpret something: it's about how the other person *meant* it.

That's a ridiculous ethical egoist notion that we don't have any duties towards others.  People don't live in a bubble, so a reasonable expectation of how other people might interpret something is just as important as what you mean.

I would respect ESPN more if they released a statement saying "Yeah, we meant it that way and we stand by it" than if they did what you want.

Wait, wait, wait, what? How about the other way around? It's ridiculously egotistical to say "That word means this to me, so you offended me" as opposed to saying "ah no worries, you meant no harm!"

[Change]

So, who watched Saturday Night Live?

They nailed it.

http://deadspin.com/5886296

[LooseCannon]

You know what I would love? If ESPN released a statement saying: "Oh get over it. It wasn't meant like that, and we'll leave it because we STILL don't mean it in that way."

People need to learn that it's not about how you interpret something: it's about how the other person *meant* it.

That's a ridiculous ethical egoist notion that we don't have any duties towards others.  People don't live in a bubble, so a reasonable expectation of how other people might interpret something is just as important as what you mean.

I would respect ESPN more if they released a statement saying "Yeah, we meant it that way and we stand by it" than if they did what you want.

Wait, wait, wait, what? How about the other way around? It's ridiculously egotistical to say "That word means this to me, so you offended me" as opposed to saying "ah no worries, you meant no harm!"

Well, I don't think it is ridiculous to be offended by what was on ESPN's website.  And I think it should be easily predictable that some people would be offended.  If you didn't think anyone would be offended, there's a chance you were shocked that anyone complained about the infamous slant-eyed picture that the Spanish national basketball team posed for in 2008.

Offensiveness doesn't necessarily bother me.  There are times when I am intentionally offensive because that's the reaction that I want and I am careful with my language to get the desired effect. 

My problem is with the child-like egocentrism of people who seem to think that as long as their intentions are good, that's all that matters.  I'm sure we've all met someone who was socially awkward, who had an apparent lack of empathy that led them to be completely unaware when others have negative reactions to their behavior.  Well, there are some people who seem that way when it comes to race and act unaware that anything they say or do might be possibly be offensive unless someone explicitly tells them so.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

You know what I would love? If ESPN released a statement saying: "Oh get over it. It wasn't meant like that, and we'll leave it because we STILL don't mean it in that way."

People need to learn that it's not about how you interpret something: it's about how the other person *meant* it.

That's a ridiculous ethical egoist notion that we don't have any duties towards others.  People don't live in a bubble, so a reasonable expectation of how other people might interpret something is just as important as what you mean.

And this right here sums up everything that is wrong with American culture.

I should not have to go through life wondering if someone might misinterpret my words, taking what would otherwise be completely innocuous, and turning it into something offensive.  If my intent was pure, that's your problem if you thought I meant something else by what I said.  I should not have to stop using normal vernacular, because others want to twist innocent words to mean something nefarious.  Are we really, as a society, ok with allowing the bigots to hijack our language?

I refuse to allow the actions of others to change my behaviour.  

Words don't have the power to hurt unless you give them power to. You are dead on sir.

(I was gonna credit whoever said that quote, but I forgot who it was. So whoever you are, that was your quote)

[greenpride32]

Interesting tweet about Lin's turnovers:

Since '77 8 guys have 6+ TOs in 5 straight games: J. Lin, C. Barkley, S. Nash, A. Gilmore, K. Malone, D. Coleman, B.McAdoo, I. Thomas

That's some pretty impressive company, even if it's for the wrong reasons.  But I guess if you're the go to guy with the ball in your hands to either distribute, score, or both; TO's are bound to happen.

[greenpride32]

The guy who put up the mobile headline was fired.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7591778/espn-statement-offensive-jeremy-lin-comments

• The ESPN employee responsible for our Mobile headline has been dismissed.


• The ESPNEWS anchor has been suspended for 30 days.


• The radio commentator is not an ESPN employee.


If that type of comment was made on an African American player I can guarantee you would not hear the end of it on sports talk shows and radi for about a month, and Rev Jesse Jackson would be making speeches about it.  Now this particular story about Lin has really gotten no media coverage; probably because his play is overshadowing it.

[Roy H.]

Interesting tweet about Lin's turnovers:

Since '77 8 guys have 6+ TOs in 5 straight games: J. Lin, C. Barkley, S. Nash, A. Gilmore, K. Malone, D. Coleman, B.McAdoo, I. Thomas

That's some pretty impressive company, even if it's for the wrong reasons.  But I guess if you're the go to guy with the ball in your hands to either distribute, score, or both; TO's are bound to happen.

Yeah, scrub players wouldn't be allowed to have that many turnovers for so many games; they'd be riding the pine.  Only very good players can be that sloppy with the ball (in relative terms), and still get run.

[guava_wrench]

You know what I would love? If ESPN released a statement saying: "Oh get over it. It wasn't meant like that, and we'll leave it because we STILL don't mean it in that way."

People need to learn that it's not about how you interpret something: it's about how the other person *meant* it.

That's a ridiculous ethical egoist notion that we don't have any duties towards others.  People don't live in a bubble, so a reasonable expectation of how other people might interpret something is just as important as what you mean.

And this right here sums up everything that is wrong with American culture.

I should not have to go through life wondering if someone might misinterpret my words, taking what would otherwise be completely innocuous, and turning it into something offensive.  If my intent was pure, that's your problem if you thought I meant something else by what I said.  I should not have to stop using normal vernacular, because others want to twist innocent words to mean something nefarious.  Are we really, as a society, ok with allowing the bigots to hijack our language?

I refuse to allow the actions of others to change my behaviour.  

That is fine for individuals, but not for media like ESPN. That is why they have editors. I would agree that it is ridiculous when we over-analyze players when they are giving answers in interviews. But media headlines are not off the cuff. There is time to reflect and any organizations should have a process in place to avoid these problems.

If someone whose livelihood is writing for mass media can figure this out, than I don't have a problem with them being canned for being incompetent.

[Change]

Is it true Warriors never viewed at Jeremy as basketball player but more of a marketing gimmick? They failed miserably on both ends. Lin is now a star player, and a cash cow for the Knicks. Lindescribable!

[mqtcelticsfan]

That's a ridiculous ethical egoist notion that we don't have any duties towards others.  People don't live in a bubble, so a reasonable expectation of how other people might interpret something is just as important as what you mean.

I don't think any intelligent ethical egoist would ever oppose this. It's certainly in one's own self-interest to not say things that can be misinterpreted in this way, because doing so would only hurt the individual.