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Re: Jeremy Lin (merged threads)
« Reply #120 on: February 11, 2012, 01:15:06 AM »

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There have certainly been players who have had streaks, only to come back down to earth  (one Tony Allen had 14 consecutive double-digit scoring games back in 06-07, before he went down with that injury....).  But it is a great story - really fun to watch!

Re: Would the Knicks take Rondo for Lin?
« Reply #121 on: February 11, 2012, 01:59:33 AM »

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What a story this guy is becoming!  I live in China, and even though he is an American of Chinese descent, the masses are following him, and bringing in yet more Chinese to the throes of NBA fanhood....

Both of Lin's parents are Taiwanese, not Chinese. He should be an American of Taiwanese descent, or a Taiwanese American.

see also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_American

Re: Would the Knicks take Rondo for Lin?
« Reply #122 on: February 11, 2012, 02:15:52 AM »

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Both of Lin's parents are Taiwanese, not Chinese. He should be an American of Taiwanese descent, or a Taiwanese American.


Mainland Chinese count Taiwan as "China"...:)

Re: Jeremy Lin (merged threads)
« Reply #123 on: February 11, 2012, 02:26:17 AM »

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I don't care what anyone says. This kid is without a doubt a top point guard. Will he have some bad games? Yes. Will he have some games where just nothing goes right for him? Yes. However, even with all of that, this kid knows what the hell he is doing on that court.

He literally makes his team better. He's a legitimate team player. He's a great passer, sees the floor well, he's amazing at penetrating and finishing. He can shoot mid-range and outside. The kid has nice speed, a very quick first step.

His defense is top notch, especially his help defense. It's some of the best I've seen. I'm not saying he's instantly the next Steve Nash or derrick rose, but this isn't just some flash in the pan. He's got serious talent. And, in all honesty while he has much more to prove, he's clearly better than Rondo is.

I know a great player when I see one. What Lin is doing isn't some lucky game, where a guy scores a bunch of points. HIs scoring isn't even what impresses me the most. It's his ability to manage and run the offense. It's the way this guy sees the court and passes on the pick and role. It's the smarts of this guy while playing. He knows what he needs to do and when he needs to do it.

He will have off games here and there, but that's true for even the best players in the league. This kid isn't just some fluke. He's incredible. I noticed this the very night the celtics beat the knicks. He wasn't put back in after the first half, and even van gundy was surprised by it, and so was I. He looked great ever since then.

It isn't so much about his numbers, although that's amazing. It's how the kid plays. He's smart as hell. He knows what he's doing. He will be a top point guard in this league, without a doubt. In my view, he honestly already is. When you can win the way he has been with the players that he has been playing with, that says a lot about how good he is.

I'm going to hold you to this.  You're wrong, btw.  He's the Chinese Flip Murray if he's lucky.

Whoops... I mean Taiwanese American Flip Murray.

Re: Jeremy Lin (merged threads)
« Reply #124 on: February 11, 2012, 02:26:34 AM »

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What he's been doing is remarkable, but watching the highlights of his recent games it does seem as though he should fall back to earth as soon other teams gameplan for him and actually defend him closely.
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Re: Jeremy Lin (merged threads)
« Reply #125 on: February 11, 2012, 02:42:50 AM »

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There's this huge misconception that crap players can just magically become superstars overnight... like all they needed was some playing time.  This Jeremy Lin thing mirrors the arguments I was having with Stiesma supporters.  It's this foolish belief that a basketball player (with scouts, coaches and basketball evaluators constantly examining every aspect of their game and measuring every aspect of their athleticism) can play in College, play overseas, attend countless workouts, play in summer leagues, attend training camps and participate in countless practices... at no point show anything resembling "superstardom"... and then suddenly without warning jump from "scrub" to "phenom".

When Jennings had his hot start, I pointed out the fact he shot under 40% in Europe and he was inevitably going to shoot under 40% in the NBA.  "No way he's a star!  He's Iverson if Iverson shot 55%!" I was told.  I was right.  They were naive and wrong.

When Stiesma had a couple good games, blocked a bunch of shots and hit some jump shots, I correctly pointed out that even in College he only averaged like 10 minutes a game... averaged ho-hum numbers against D-League competition and barely qualified as an NBA player.  "No way he's a future star!... he's the big we need!  We should start him!".  I was right.  They were naive and wrong.

When Lin has 4 games (16 turnovers over the last 3 games, btw) and happens to be shooting a ridiculous 55% over 4 measly games with the likes of Derrick Fisher guarding him and absolutely NO game-planning for his style... it's fair to point out that he played for the Warriors last season, barely made an impact and was cut... and likely will go back to averaging his ho-hum numbers in a bench role.   

To believe otherwise is a little bit crazy.  Sure, I realize there's some rare instances of 2nd rounders like Gilbert Arenas who busted his butt to take the leap, but it wasn't something that just happened out of nowhere without warning.

4 best games of his entire life which is magnified substantially due to him playing in New York.  If Marshon Brooks was playing across the bridge (instead of Jersey), we'd have already been blasted with constant buzz about how he was the next Michael Jordan and the savior of the Knicks. 

Look, Lin might turn into a capable little bench player down the line.  We've seen what point guards do in D'Antoni's system.  Raymond Felton averaged 17 points and 9 assists with them last year... nowhere near that this year.  So that's part of it.  Lin might be a nice role player... foolish to believe he's actually a star though.

These things do happen.  Every once in a while, a Tony Delk will drop 53 points.  If it happens in New York and the guy happens to be Taiwanese American, expect to hear a lot about it.
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Re: Jeremy Lin (merged threads)
« Reply #126 on: February 11, 2012, 03:33:40 AM »

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@LarBrd33 just stop it. "I pointed....I was right....I correctly" you are the epitome of a narcissist. Can't see past the jealously.

Re: Jeremy Lin (merged threads)
« Reply #127 on: February 11, 2012, 03:42:35 AM »

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I don't think he can keep up this 20+ 7assists game when Carmelo and Amare come back but I do really love his game. I think Steve Nash and Larry Bird have proven that you don't really have to be extremely athletic to make it in the NBA. The kid has a great future and I'm definitely on board.

That is the problem. Lin is LEGIT. Will he always score 28-30 a game, no of course not. But he's sure as hell can give 18-22 points and 6-8 assists a game. But that production will not happen when Melo gets back, because boy he holds the ball too much.

He's perfect for Amare because of his pick and roll play. But he'll go down to earth once Melo takes command of the ball. No more fluid motion on offense.

Which is why I think they need to trade Melo to the Nets for Okur and Humphries and their 1st, provided Lin is consistent enough (which I know he will) during the next few games that Melo is out. The kid is legit. He can create for himself and also get other people involved. But Melo, like the guys in Denver, will make him disappear. Trade Melo New York, you got yourself a future star here.
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Re: Jeremy Lin (merged threads)
« Reply #128 on: February 11, 2012, 04:16:08 AM »

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@LarBrd33 just stop it. "I pointed....I was right....I correctly" you are the epitome of a narcissist. Can't see past the jealously.
Lol true.  If being right all the time is a sign of narcissism so be it.  

I don't get the "jealousy" bit, though... what's the context of that statement?  Arguably I'm jealous of Brian Scalabrine.  The guy is filthy rich by my standards and would own down at my local 24 Hour fitness.  I'm not starting threads celebrating his incredible talent, though.  

So is your argument that my dismissal of Jeremy Lin in comparison to legit phenoms like Kobe Bryant is somehow a sign of jealousy?  If so, you can point to "jealousy" in regards to every statement I make about the NBA... positive or otherwise.  "LarBrd33 loves Steph Curry.. can't see past the jealously".... "LarBrd33 thinks KG is getting long in the tooth... can't see past the jealously" ... "LarBrd33 named his cat after Paul Pierce... can't see past the jealously".

In honor of you, I'll start ending all my posts with:

can't see past the jealously
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Re: Jeremy Lin (merged threads)
« Reply #129 on: February 11, 2012, 05:38:06 AM »

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LOL!

Just woke up..I missed the second half of the NY-LA game.

Wow.

They'd better bring Dennis Rodman or Michael Cooper out of retirement - they are perhaps the only folks who could slow down this guy. ;D

It's still too small a sample size to crown him yet, but the guy is definitely an NBA baller. He's improved since GSW.

Lin/NY must be given credit, though.....if someone told me a year ago that NY would beat the Lakers WITHOUT Amare and Melo I would've told them they were comical or Kobe wasn't playing.

Judging by the box scores..Kobe had a rather pedestrian night, too - by his NY standards. He normally lights them up here.

I just hope that D'Antoni can incorporate Amare and Melo back into their offense without too mich friction. I think the biggest thing here is Melo - he will need to have the ball in his hands less.

Lin really needs to keep Amare happy, too - I think once he gets rolling NY is a better team.
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Re: Jeremy Lin (merged threads)
« Reply #130 on: February 11, 2012, 06:57:43 AM »

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Re: Jeremy Lin (merged threads)
« Reply #131 on: February 11, 2012, 06:59:37 AM »

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I'm a strong supporter of Taiwan over China, but I consider Taiwanese to be of Chinese descent.

Re: Jeremy Lin (merged threads)
« Reply #132 on: February 11, 2012, 07:29:53 AM »

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I'm a strong supporter of Taiwan over China, but I consider Taiwanese to be of Chinese descent.
yup, unless you get real specific on the native Taiwanese thing

Re: Jeremy Lin (merged threads)
« Reply #133 on: February 11, 2012, 08:02:41 AM »

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browse the newest submissions... not surprisingly they all have a similar vibe: http://www.quickmeme.com/High-Expectations-Asian-Father/newest/?upcoming 

Some of the better ones so far:

"You Play B-Ball?  Why no A-ball?" 
"Jeremy Lin played in D-League?  Why not A-League?"
"Your name jeremy Lin?  Why your name not Jeremy Win?"
"U Dominate KO-B?  Y u no dominate KO-A?"
"You Play D?  Why you no play A?"
"Beat L.A.   Why you not Beat L.A.+?"   
"Out play Kobe?  Why you not out play MichaeL Jordan?" 
"MVP?  Why not MBA?"


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Re: Jeremy Lin (merged threads)
« Reply #134 on: February 11, 2012, 08:42:01 AM »

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Makes you wonder how many more Lin's are out there if not for stubborn coaches that refuse to play young players. I'm glad we don't have one like that in Boston.