We can kill the Mashon Brooks talks now

[Chris]

I'd trade JJJ for Marshon in a nano second

Maybe I'm a blind optimist, but I'm willing to gamble on JJ.

Me too.  I have no idea if JJ will be a player, but I love his attitude and work ethic, and I have a lot of questions about Brooks.  

[Roy H.]

I'd trade JJJ for Marshon in a nano second

Maybe I'm a blind optimist, but I'm willing to gamble on JJ.

Me too.  I have no idea if JJ will be a player, but I love his attitude and work ethic, and I have a lot of questions about Brooks.  

The fact that Brooks said he modeled his game on Jamal Crawford's was enough of a red flag to me.

[KCattheStripe]

15 PPG SGs are a quarter a dozen. I'd rather gamble on how good a PF JJJ might turn out to be. Plus, I'd rather see if we can get Kidd-Gilchrist in this draft, dude just acts like a Celtic.

[Eja117]

It may be a garbage time but man, 5/5 from JJJ. So can you still say that our pick won't be a factor? He didn't get attention because he barely make it on the rotation.

No offense or anything but if you've been won over by 10 minutes of garbage time it doesn't take much to impress you.  Marshon has played real minutes against first units.

Well, "real minutes" is debatable, since more often than not New Jersey seems to be playing in garbage time.  Despite playing the 5th easiest strength of schedule in the NBA, the Nets are getting outscored on average by 7.1 points per game. 

Brooks has looked pretty good.  I wonder, though, how good JJ would look if he was force fed minutes and had Deron Williams getting him the ball (while being asked to play absolutely zero defense).

So if we assume that the coaching staff of the Celts have a general idea of who is best then I guess we have to imagine Steimsma in a similar scenario and then subtract from that

[Roy H.]

It may be a garbage time but man, 5/5 from JJJ. So can you still say that our pick won't be a factor? He didn't get attention because he barely make it on the rotation.

No offense or anything but if you've been won over by 10 minutes of garbage time it doesn't take much to impress you.  Marshon has played real minutes against first units.

Well, "real minutes" is debatable, since more often than not New Jersey seems to be playing in garbage time.  Despite playing the 5th easiest strength of schedule in the NBA, the Nets are getting outscored on average by 7.1 points per game. 

Brooks has looked pretty good.  I wonder, though, how good JJ would look if he was force fed minutes and had Deron Williams getting him the ball (while being asked to play absolutely zero defense).

So if we assume that the coaching staff of the Celts have a general idea of who is best then I guess we have to imagine Steimsma in a similar scenario and then subtract from that

Johnson is a quick, athletic player with a smooth jump shot who was extremely productive on both ends in college.

Stiemsma is a player of average or worse athleticism who seems to do little other than attempt to block shots, and who was a very poor player in college.

I don't really see the comparison you're making.

[theswitch]

JJJ played great today, but he isnt on Marshons level yet.

The issue with JJJ IMO was never his offense...its his defense.  He's not strong enough to hold down the paint.  That was just as apparent as his prowess on offense today, as Ed Davis was able to push him wherever he wanted.

Marshon is NBA ready on both ends.

I really couldn't disagree more about JJJ. He might not be strong enough to do it regularly yet, but I don't remember seeing anyone scoring on him tonight. If nothing else, he's athletic and smart enough to always be in the right place at the right time. Right now, Johnson could make it in a lot of rotations. If he gains 15 pounds, you've got yourself a pretty good player.

In any case, I don't think he was a liability on defense at all tonight - I actually thought he played fairly well on that end. Offensively, he's long and jumpy enough to get whatever shot he wants and can attack the boards. And, he's fast enough to get back if he doesn't get the offensive board.

Still early but I really wish he could carve out a spot in the rotation somehow. That'll be really hard with the KG/JO/Bass/Wilcox combo, but I think he should take some/all of Steamer's minutes.

[Eja117]

It may be a garbage time but man, 5/5 from JJJ. So can you still say that our pick won't be a factor? He didn't get attention because he barely make it on the rotation.

No offense or anything but if you've been won over by 10 minutes of garbage time it doesn't take much to impress you.  Marshon has played real minutes against first units.

Well, "real minutes" is debatable, since more often than not New Jersey seems to be playing in garbage time.  Despite playing the 5th easiest strength of schedule in the NBA, the Nets are getting outscored on average by 7.1 points per game. 

Brooks has looked pretty good.  I wonder, though, how good JJ would look if he was force fed minutes and had Deron Williams getting him the ball (while being asked to play absolutely zero defense).

So if we assume that the coaching staff of the Celts have a general idea of who is best then I guess we have to imagine Steimsma in a similar scenario and then subtract from that

Johnson is a quick, athletic player with a smooth jump shot who was extremely productive on both ends in college.

Stiemsma is a player of average or worse athleticism who seems to do little other than attempt to block shots, and who was a very poor player in college.

I don't really see the comparison you're making.

So if JJJ is better why is he buried behind Steamy on the bench? Etwaun isn't.

[Roy H.]

So if JJJ is better why is he buried behind Steamy on the bench? Etwaun isn't.

Call me crazy, but could it be because they all play different positions, and because they've got different players in front of them?

One guy has the perpetually injured Jermaine O'Neal in front of him.  The other has KG, Bass, and Wilcox.  The third has...  Avery Bradley right now.

With all due respect, that's not even a serious argument.

[csfansince60s]

I agree with the title of this thread for many reasons.

Actually, when I saw the title of the thread, I thought the OP was referring to this for his ratonale:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/218682/MarShon_Brooks_Suffers_Broken_Toe_Out_Indefinitely

It appears that Marshon may be made out of glass. An Achilles issue as well as a broken toe and out indefinitely.

Brooks and the teams that he has played on are not winners. He played for a horrendous team at PC and an equally horrendous team in the Nets. Easy to be a "star" on teams with no talent.

JJJ benches 330 (very few athletes except for football players can bench 100 lbs over his bodyweight), so while his lower body is not super strong yet, he doesn't need to gain upper body strength. He can shoot, run the floor and play D. DPOY and Player of the Year on a winning team in a competitive conference.

I take JJJ over Brooks all day long. Wings are a dime a dozen. Big men with JJJ's skillset are few and far between.

[RockinRyA]

So if JJJ is better why is he buried behind Steamy on the bench? Etwaun isn't.

Call me crazy, but could it be because they all play different positions, and because they've got different players in front of them?

One guy has the perpetually injured Jermaine O'Neal in front of him.  The other has KG, Bass, and Wilcox.  The third has...  Avery Bradley right now.

With all due respect, that's not even a serious argument.

I agree. PF position (considering health) has got to be our most solid position at the moment

[cman88]

Johnson has an NBA ready offensive game right now....besides the rotation(where he sits behind 3 guys), I think he needs to add some bulk to his frame, or at least strength to his lower body.

[boom]

It may be a garbage time but man, 5/5 from JJJ. So can you still say that our pick won't be a factor? He didn't get attention because he barely make it on the rotation.

No offense or anything but if you've been won over by 10 minutes of garbage time it doesn't take much to impress you.  Marshon has played real minutes against first units.

Well, "real minutes" is debatable, since more often than not New Jersey seems to be playing in garbage time.  Despite playing the 5th easiest strength of schedule in the NBA, the Nets are getting outscored on average by 7.1 points per game. 

Brooks has looked pretty good.  I wonder, though, how good JJ would look if he was force fed minutes and had Deron Williams getting him the ball (while being asked to play absolutely zero defense).

So if we assume that the coaching staff of the Celts have a general idea of who is best then I guess we have to imagine Steimsma in a similar scenario and then subtract from that

Johnson is a quick, athletic player with a smooth jump shot who was extremely productive on both ends in college.

Stiemsma is a player of average or worse athleticism who seems to do little other than attempt to block shots, and who was a very poor player in college.

I don't really see the comparison you're making.

So if JJJ is better why is he buried behind Steamy on the bench? Etwaun isn't.

TP for you, I love it. People on here are calling him a poor-man's KG. A poor-man's "arguably-the-greatest-PF-to-ever-play-in-the-NBA". How about we set the bar a little lower for the time being? We'll be lucky if this kid approaches Bosh's level, let alone KG's.

[Eja117]

So if JJJ is better why is he buried behind Steamy on the bench? Etwaun isn't.

Call me crazy, but could it be because they all play different positions, and because they've got different players in front of them?

One guy has the perpetually injured Jermaine O'Neal in front of him.  The other has KG, Bass, and Wilcox.  The third has...  Avery Bradley right now.

With all due respect, that's not even a serious argument.

I agree. PF position (considering health) has got to be our most solid position at the moment

Oh I didn't realize a first round pick and recent Big Ten defensive and Big Ten player of the year with cat like quickness and a good outside shot couldn't be expected to beat out a slower untalented career d leaguer at the center position in both their rookie years in the league

[Roy H.]

We'll be lucky if this kid approaches Bosh's level, let alone KG's.

Well, if he ever approaches Bosh's level, he will have far surpassed Brooks.  

Me, I'll be happy if he turns into Nick Collison.  That's probably still equally as valuable to a team as Brooks is.

[KCattheStripe]

Oh I didn't realize a first round pick and recent Big Ten defensive and Big Ten player of the year with cat like quickness and a good outside shot couldn't be expected to beat out a slower untalented career d leaguer at the center position in both their rookie years in the league

It's ok, we forgive you.