What's Rondo's perceived trade value?

[CelticG1]

How do people and gms around the league value him?

It seems people on here dont think we can get much for an in his prime all-star pg.

If this its our most valuable chip on a great contract and we can't even get something decent for him than I guess theres no point of even thinking about exploring that.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Well, let me think...maybe for one of the top 5 point guards in the league, we could get.......One of the top 5 point guards in the league...!!! Why trade Rondo, he isn't even 30yrs old.....

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't think it's as high as people may believe.

[BballTim]

  I don't think people will really know until he's traded.

[phonic1]

Rondo is an extremely flawed player.  I could get into all his shortcomings, but I think we all know what they are.  If an already talented team needs a floor general, I guess he could be of some interest.  Also, players talk, and Rondo's diva attitude is well known around the league, but there's gotta be some organization out there who thinks they can change him.  He's definitely not the first hardheaded NBA player.  I think the C's have had enough of him though, and would trade him in a heartbeat.  At the same time, they realize he's got quite a bit of value.  Just wait til the right deal/situation comes along.  A player that's shown some flashes and a 1st rounder would do it for me.  That's assuming we're going the rebuilding route through the draft instead of free agency.  If we are rebuilding through FA's, I'd rather just keep Rondo.

[Who]

I'd say Rondo is the type of player who's value fluctuates widely (due to his lack of shooting ability at the PG spot).

It all depends on the specific GM and team involved. There is no way to forecast it.

[Chris]

I'd say Rondo is the type of player who's value fluctuates widely (due to his lack of shooting ability at the PG spot).

It all depends on the specific GM and team involved. There is no way to forecast it.

Agree completely.  He is an eye of the beholder type player.

With that said, I think he would be in the same group as a guy like Monta Ellis (another eye of the beholder type player), also similar to Danny Granger and Andre Igoudala.

Guys who can be very valuable on the right teams, and are all guys who could be all stars in any given year, depending on who else is playing well at their positions...but not really franchise players.

[bdm860]

I think it goes something like this:

You have the top tier, who you’d trade just about anybody on your roster for (except the uber upper echelon, i.e. LeBron, Wade, Dwight, Durant) and basically mortgage your future to get.  To trade for these guys would be like a 4-to-1 asset swap at the minimum (along with salary filler).

1.   Chris Paul
2.   Derrick Rose
3.   Deron Williams

Then the next tier down is the young studs who you hope develops into that top tier in the next couple of years.  Teams would trade an established All-Star (Bosh, Boozer, David West, Al Horford, Granger, etc.) and a solid player or pick or two, or will trade several promising young players, but won’t trade a superstar for one of these guys. More of a 2.5-to-1 asset swap to get these guys (along with salary filler).

1.   Kyrie Iriving
2.   Ricky Rubio
3.   John Wall

Then the tier below that is the up-and-coming All-Star point guards, usually fresh off their rookie deals.  They have some experience and are currently better than the tier above them, but their flaws are more well known since they’ve been in the league longer, so these guys have a lower ceiling in most people’s minds.  It would still take an established All-Star to get one of these guys, but you probably wouldn’t get any good picks or other young assets.  This is more like a 1-to-1 asset swap, but both teams will be trading All-Star caliber players.

1.   Russell Westbrook
2.   Rajon Rondo
3.   Stephen Curry

Then the tier below that is the young solid starter and experienced veteran.  With the young guys, at the best you’re getting someone who may be in the conversation for an All-Star spot if your team is doing good enough, but will likely never make it.  Or you’re getting a veteran who you know the best days are behind him and you don’t know how many strong seasons he has left but maybe could put you over the top now.  You trade a solid starter, a young player who may or may not develop into a solid starter, or maybe a late draft pick for one of these guys.  You think a change of scenery might turn the young player into a consistent starter or turn back the clock a little for the veteran.  You get these guys either in a salary dump from a team who decides it’s time to rebuild for a solid draft pick, or by trading an over-the-hill veteran of your own for the solid, younger starter, or vice versa.  Or by trading a player with injury question marks,  This is usually more of a 1-to-1 asset swap (with salary filler) but you’re trading starter quality players, not All-Stars.

1.   Steve Nash
2.   James Harden
3.   Kyle Lowry
4.   Jason Kidd
5.   Mike Conley
6.   Tony Parker
7.   Chauncey Billups
8.   Devin Harris
9.   Raymond Felton
10.   Jameer Nelson
11.   Mo Williams

[LeoMoreno]

Well on one side there's an option nobody will know until he's gone. On the other side, you just know that he needs a team that will do what he says, coach that will never tell him what to do (I mean telling Rondo to shoot is the only thing you can tell him to do and... That's just being stupid).

Now an Otis Smith type of GM would probably give us a lot for Rondo. But someone who understands what the team needs like Denver, Utah and Philadelphia will probably figure out that Rondo is on an absolutely different margin, scale, planet if you will, if played outside of Boston.


I don't think there's a much clearer explanation than this...

[Chris]

I think it goes something like this:

You have the top tier, who you’d trade just about anybody on your roster for (except the uber upper echelon, i.e. LeBron, Wade, Dwight, Durant) and basically mortgage your future to get.  To trade for these guys would be like a 4-to-1 asset swap at the minimum (along with salary filler).

1.   Chris Paul
2.   Derrick Rose
3.   Deron Williams

Then the next tier down is the young studs who you hope develops into that top tier in the next couple of years.  Teams would trade an established All-Star (Bosh, Boozer, David West, Al Horford, Granger, etc.) and a solid player or pick or two, or will trade several promising young players, but won’t trade a superstar for one of these guys. More of a 2.5-to-1 asset swap to get these guys (along with salary filler).

1.   Kyrie Iriving
2.   Ricky Rubio
3.   John Wall

Then the tier below that is the up-and-coming All-Star point guards, usually fresh off their rookie deals.  They have some experience and are currently better than the tier above them, but their flaws are more well known since they’ve been in the league longer, so these guys have a lower ceiling in most people’s minds.  It would still take an established All-Star to get one of these guys, but you probably wouldn’t get any good picks or other young assets.  This is more like a 1-to-1 asset swap, but both teams will be trading All-Star caliber players.

1.   Russell Westbrook
2.   Rajon Rondo
3.   Stephen Curry

Then the tier below that is the young solid starter and experienced veteran.  With the young guys, at the best you’re getting someone who may be in the conversation for an All-Star spot if your team is doing good enough, but will likely never make it.  Or you’re getting a veteran who you know the best days are behind him and you don’t know how many strong seasons he has left but maybe could put you over the top now.  You trade a solid starter, a young player who may or may not develop into a solid starter, or maybe a late draft pick for one of these guys.  You think a change of scenery might turn the young player into a consistent starter or turn back the clock a little for the veteran.  You get these guys either in a salary dump from a team who decides it’s time to rebuild for a solid draft pick, or by trading an over-the-hill veteran of your own for the solid, younger starter, or vice versa.  Or by trading a player with injury question marks,  This is usually more of a 1-to-1 asset swap (with salary filler) but you’re trading starter quality players, not All-Stars.

1.   Steve Nash
2.   James Harden
3.   Kyle Lowry
4.   Jason Kidd
5.   Mike Conley
6.   Tony Parker
7.   Chauncey Billups
8.   Devin Harris
9.   Raymond Felton
10.   Jameer Nelson
11.   Mo Williams

Good write up.  I have a few small adjustments though.

First, I think Curry is above Rondo.  I don't think he should be, but I think he is at the moment.  Although if his ankle issues continue that will change before the end of the season, but for right now, I think he is ahead, because people haven't picked him apart as much yet.

I also think Lowry has jumped into the group with Rondo (he is putting up insane numbers at the moment, and looks to be making that leap).  And Harden is not a PG, so I would take him out.

Finally, right below Nash in that last group, I think you need to add Collison, Lawson, and Jack, all of whom are making the leap into that second or third tier of PGs, and have incredibly team friendly contracts that will boost their value above guys like Parker and Conley.

[Inside-Out]

I'm sure there are quite a few GMs who don't think he's worth much more than OJ Mayo, a 1st rounder, and a role player on a decent deal.

Perhaps another alternative is someone on the bottom tier list plus a pick, e.g. Nash plus a 1st.

[bdm860]

I think it goes something like this:

You have the top tier, who you’d trade just about anybody on your roster for (except the uber upper echelon, i.e. LeBron, Wade, Dwight, Durant) and basically mortgage your future to get.  To trade for these guys would be like a 4-to-1 asset swap at the minimum (along with salary filler).

1.   Chris Paul
2.   Derrick Rose
3.   Deron Williams

Then the next tier down is the young studs who you hope develops into that top tier in the next couple of years.  Teams would trade an established All-Star (Bosh, Boozer, David West, Al Horford, Granger, etc.) and a solid player or pick or two, or will trade several promising young players, but won’t trade a superstar for one of these guys. More of a 2.5-to-1 asset swap to get these guys (along with salary filler).

1.   Kyrie Iriving
2.   Ricky Rubio
3.   John Wall

Then the tier below that is the up-and-coming All-Star point guards, usually fresh off their rookie deals.  They have some experience and are currently better than the tier above them, but their flaws are more well known since they’ve been in the league longer, so these guys have a lower ceiling in most people’s minds.  It would still take an established All-Star to get one of these guys, but you probably wouldn’t get any good picks or other young assets.  This is more like a 1-to-1 asset swap, but both teams will be trading All-Star caliber players.

1.   Russell Westbrook
2.   Rajon Rondo
3.   Stephen Curry

Then the tier below that is the young solid starter and experienced veteran.  With the young guys, at the best you’re getting someone who may be in the conversation for an All-Star spot if your team is doing good enough, but will likely never make it.  Or you’re getting a veteran who you know the best days are behind him and you don’t know how many strong seasons he has left but maybe could put you over the top now.  You trade a solid starter, a young player who may or may not develop into a solid starter, or maybe a late draft pick for one of these guys.  You think a change of scenery might turn the young player into a consistent starter or turn back the clock a little for the veteran.  You get these guys either in a salary dump from a team who decides it’s time to rebuild for a solid draft pick, or by trading an over-the-hill veteran of your own for the solid, younger starter, or vice versa.  Or by trading a player with injury question marks,  This is usually more of a 1-to-1 asset swap (with salary filler) but you’re trading starter quality players, not All-Stars.

1.   Steve Nash
2.   James Harden
3.   Kyle Lowry
4.   Jason Kidd
5.   Mike Conley
6.   Tony Parker
7.   Chauncey Billups
8.   Devin Harris
9.   Raymond Felton
10.   Jameer Nelson
11.   Mo Williams

Good write up.  I have a few small adjustments though.

First, I think Curry is above Rondo.  I don't think he should be, but I think he is at the moment.  Although if his ankle issues continue that will change before the end of the season, but for right now, I think he is ahead, because people haven't picked him apart as much yet.

I also think Lowry has jumped into the group with Rondo (he is putting up insane numbers at the moment, and looks to be making that leap).  And Harden is not a PG, so I would take him out.

Finally, right below Nash in that last group, I think you need to add Collison, Lawson, and Jack, all of whom are making the leap into that second or third tier of PGs, and have incredibly team friendly contracts that will boost their value above guys like Parker and Conley.

Feel free to disagree with my rankings, they were more just off the top of my head with minimal thought put into them

It's more about the tiers of players and the trade value which usually comes from being in a certain tier.

[clover]

I agree, good writeup.  But I'd think Westbrook is ahead of Wall in value.

[PosImpos]

I'd say Rondo is the type of player who's value fluctuates widely (due to his lack of shooting ability at the PG spot).

It all depends on the specific GM and team involved. There is no way to forecast it.

I think this is right.  Because Rondo is such a unique player with big strengths and glaring weaknesses, how highly he is valued will really depend on the personal philosophy of the particular GM Danny would be dealing with.


I think it's safe to say, however, between the failed attempt to get Chris Paul and the GM surveys from last month, that Rondo's trade value is probably a fair amount less than whatever us Celtics fans assume it would be.



Also, I think a few people in this thread are really undervaluing Tony Parker.  People forget he's not actually that old, and he's having a great season so far. 

[greenpride32]

Well he's already been turned down for CP3 and Westbrook.  A couple of years ago the rumor was he was turned down for Curry. I personally think you can get an older all-star or former all-star level player for him (8-10 year vet on the decline).  I don't think any GM would trade a younger all star player for him.