Which package would you take for Dwight if you are Oralndo?(Poll)

[rondohondo]

I vote NY

Amare + Chandler

for

Dwight and Hedo

good point, I should have included that as well, I will edit the poll

[Who]

I've been disappointed by how put off Chicago's front office seem to be by their absence on Dwight Howard's list.

Just make the trade and you'll be easily able to convince him to stay. They have a terrific complement to Dwight in Derrick Rose + will be able to keep enough talent in their supporting cast + have a high level coaching staff, front office and ownership + you'll have his bird rights so you can pay him more money than anyone else. It's a magnificent situation.

Trust your people. Bring Dwight Howard in and let him see everything that you have to offer. He'll fall in love with the team and stay.

Grow a set and make the deal.

[PosImpos]

I vote NY

Amare + Chandler

for

Dwight and Hedo

I think that deal could make some sense for both sides, although I think Orlando would have to be totally confident in the structural integrity of Amare's knees.  He hasn't been very good so far this season.

Have the Knicks throw in Fields or Shumpert and have the Magic add Ryan Anderson and it could be a very solid deal for both sides, all things considered.

[StartOrien]

I think Dwight Howard is the most valuable player in the league, but if I'm Chicago I don't think I'm willing to give up that much for him. Sounds silly, but I think Gibson is a deal breaker.

That does sound silly.  If anybody should be a deal breaker, it should be Deng, who is the 2nd best player on the Bulls right now and one of the best wing defenders in the league.

Poor wording on my part. What I meant was that I understand that you need to give to get, and if I'm Chicago I'd be willing to part with Noah and Deng to land D12 (though I'm not sure Orlando would/should take that), but I don't think I'd be willing to part with Taj Gibson as well.

Partly, because I think Chicago may be bidding against themselves, as I think they're the only team that could persuade Orlando to trade D12 before the trade break.

Hm, perhaps.  I'm of the opinion that Chicago shouldn't mess with a good thing anyway.  They've been playing so well and they actually have room for improvement if they keep their roster as-is.  So given that I'd say they're giving up too much by making the trade in the first place.

I think I disagree with you on both points.

I'm of the opinion that the Bulls are what they are, and I don't see how they could improve all that much. Out of the current roster, who do you see making a jump?

And while I'm a big believer in chemistry, I don't see how Howard could negatively effect what they've got. What I think makes him so valuable is that he's an easy plug in, 7 foot freak of an athlete who can score 20+ a night without having to draw plays for him.

[StartOrien]

I've been disappointed by how put off Chicago's front office seem to be by their absence on Dwight Howard's list.

Just make the trade and you'll be easily able to convince him to stay. They have a terrific complement to Dwight in Derrick Rose + will be able to keep enough talent in their supporting cast + have a high level coaching staff, front office and ownership + you'll have his bird rights so you can pay him more money than anyone else. It's a magnificent situation.

Trust your people. Bring Dwight Howard in and let him see everything that you have to offer. He'll fall in love with the team and stay.

Grow a set and make the deal.

100% agree with everything said here.

[PosImpos]

I think Dwight Howard is the most valuable player in the league, but if I'm Chicago I don't think I'm willing to give up that much for him. Sounds silly, but I think Gibson is a deal breaker.

That does sound silly.  If anybody should be a deal breaker, it should be Deng, who is the 2nd best player on the Bulls right now and one of the best wing defenders in the league.

Poor wording on my part. What I meant was that I understand that you need to give to get, and if I'm Chicago I'd be willing to part with Noah and Deng to land D12 (though I'm not sure Orlando would/should take that), but I don't think I'd be willing to part with Taj Gibson as well.

Partly, because I think Chicago may be bidding against themselves, as I think they're the only team that could persuade Orlando to trade D12 before the trade break.

Hm, perhaps.  I'm of the opinion that Chicago shouldn't mess with a good thing anyway.  They've been playing so well and they actually have room for improvement if they keep their roster as-is.  So given that I'd say they're giving up too much by making the trade in the first place.

I think I disagree with you on both points.

I'm of the opinion that the Bulls are what they are, and I don't see how they could improve all that much. Out of the current roster, who do you see making a jump?

And while I'm a big believer in chemistry, I don't see how Howard could negatively effect what they've got. What I think makes him so valuable is that he's an easy plug in, 7 foot freak of an athlete who can score 20+ a night without having to draw plays for him.

I guess what I'd say in response that in a season like this, with so little time to come together, it would be really hard for any team that shakes up their roster so completely would be able to seriously compete for a title.

If Chicago is to make a big move like that to get Dwight, I think they should go for it in the off-season via a sign-and-trade, rather than ruin their chances to compete this year.  If they suffer another disappointing defeat to the Heat (or some other team) as they did last season, it would make sense to shake things up.

As things stand, the Bulls have one of the top records in the league and they have a deep and well-integrated roster that just needs to get healthy at the right time to have a really good shot at winning it all.

[PosImpos]

I agree mostly with what Michael Wilbon said on the matter today:

I just don't see the Bulls, especially not after playing even with the Heat in Miami without Luol Deng and CJ Watson and Rip Hamilton on one leg, trading for Howard...Can't see it. But D12 needs to go somewhere, or be taken off the market completely if Orlando has any chance of doing anything meaningful this season.

Nobody wins championships "easily." No. I'm not even sure I would make the deal. The Bulls have been carefully constructed and it seems to me--and yesterday's game in Miami would confirm, I think--that the Bulls are right there with Miami and OKC, as I said a couple of questions ago...Trade Dwight Howard and pair him with Rose this year, without any camp or run-up, and you expect the two of them to have any kind of on-court relationship, or understand how to play with one another. That seems insane, to me. Look, it could work in the long run if Howard came to the Bulls...But in the short run? It would almost guarantee, to me, the Bulls would not win this year...The playoffs start in, like, 80 days...in no time at all.

[StartOrien]

I think Dwight Howard is the most valuable player in the league, but if I'm Chicago I don't think I'm willing to give up that much for him. Sounds silly, but I think Gibson is a deal breaker.

That does sound silly.  If anybody should be a deal breaker, it should be Deng, who is the 2nd best player on the Bulls right now and one of the best wing defenders in the league.

Poor wording on my part. What I meant was that I understand that you need to give to get, and if I'm Chicago I'd be willing to part with Noah and Deng to land D12 (though I'm not sure Orlando would/should take that), but I don't think I'd be willing to part with Taj Gibson as well.

Partly, because I think Chicago may be bidding against themselves, as I think they're the only team that could persuade Orlando to trade D12 before the trade break.

Hm, perhaps.  I'm of the opinion that Chicago shouldn't mess with a good thing anyway.  They've been playing so well and they actually have room for improvement if they keep their roster as-is.  So given that I'd say they're giving up too much by making the trade in the first place.

I think I disagree with you on both points.

I'm of the opinion that the Bulls are what they are, and I don't see how they could improve all that much. Out of the current roster, who do you see making a jump?

And while I'm a big believer in chemistry, I don't see how Howard could negatively effect what they've got. What I think makes him so valuable is that he's an easy plug in, 7 foot freak of an athlete who can score 20+ a night without having to draw plays for him.

I guess what I'd say in response that in a season like this, with so little time to come together, it would be really hard for any team that shakes up their roster so completely would be able to seriously compete for a title.

If Chicago is to make a big move like that to get Dwight, I think they should go for it in the off-season via a sign-and-trade, rather than ruin their chances to compete this year.  If they suffer another disappointing defeat to the Heat (or some other team) as they did last season, it would make sense to shake things up.

As things stand, the Bulls have one of the top records in the league and they have a deep and well-integrated roster that just needs to get healthy at the right time to have a really good shot at winning it all.

Two things:

1. I think a big part of being able to secure Dwight is getting him on the team first. And I'd certainly roll the dice on him if I'm Chicago, mostly because I too think it's a sure think that he'd resign in Chicago IF he got to play there. He compliments Rose perfectly,and I think they become a clear favorite in the East this season. (I don't think they are now, and I think they're destined for the same fate they had last year if they stay pat)

2. Again, I think what makes him so unique is that we're not talking about a PG that needs to learn an offense, or a wing that needs to learn spacing and tendencies. We're talking about a genetic freak whose role on offense should be more or less, run the floor, stay near the hoop, set a pick when D-Rose calls for it.

[StartOrien]

I agree mostly with what Michael Wilbon said on the matter today:

I just don't see the Bulls, especially not after playing even with the Heat in Miami without Luol Deng and CJ Watson and Rip Hamilton on one leg, trading for Howard...Can't see it. But D12 needs to go somewhere, or be taken off the market completely if Orlando has any chance of doing anything meaningful this season.

Nobody wins championships "easily." No. I'm not even sure I would make the deal. The Bulls have been carefully constructed and it seems to me--and yesterday's game in Miami would confirm, I think--that the Bulls are right there with Miami and OKC, as I said a couple of questions ago...Trade Dwight Howard and pair him with Rose this year, without any camp or run-up, and you expect the two of them to have any kind of on-court relationship, or understand how to play with one another. That seems insane, to me. Look, it could work in the long run if Howard came to the Bulls...But in the short run? It would almost guarantee, to me, the Bulls would not win this year...The playoffs start in, like, 80 days...in no time at all.

But again, they lost convincingly to the Heat last year. What has changed between last year that has turned them into a title favorite? Rip Hamilton isn't making up for three games, and the Heat have had the same time to boost their chemistry as the Bulls.

As constructed, Lebron on Rose and the series is over.

[PosImpos]

I think Dwight Howard is the most valuable player in the league, but if I'm Chicago I don't think I'm willing to give up that much for him. Sounds silly, but I think Gibson is a deal breaker.

That does sound silly.  If anybody should be a deal breaker, it should be Deng, who is the 2nd best player on the Bulls right now and one of the best wing defenders in the league.

Poor wording on my part. What I meant was that I understand that you need to give to get, and if I'm Chicago I'd be willing to part with Noah and Deng to land D12 (though I'm not sure Orlando would/should take that), but I don't think I'd be willing to part with Taj Gibson as well.

Partly, because I think Chicago may be bidding against themselves, as I think they're the only team that could persuade Orlando to trade D12 before the trade break.

Hm, perhaps.  I'm of the opinion that Chicago shouldn't mess with a good thing anyway.  They've been playing so well and they actually have room for improvement if they keep their roster as-is.  So given that I'd say they're giving up too much by making the trade in the first place.

I think I disagree with you on both points.

I'm of the opinion that the Bulls are what they are, and I don't see how they could improve all that much. Out of the current roster, who do you see making a jump?

And while I'm a big believer in chemistry, I don't see how Howard could negatively effect what they've got. What I think makes him so valuable is that he's an easy plug in, 7 foot freak of an athlete who can score 20+ a night without having to draw plays for him.

I guess what I'd say in response that in a season like this, with so little time to come together, it would be really hard for any team that shakes up their roster so completely would be able to seriously compete for a title.

If Chicago is to make a big move like that to get Dwight, I think they should go for it in the off-season via a sign-and-trade, rather than ruin their chances to compete this year.  If they suffer another disappointing defeat to the Heat (or some other team) as they did last season, it would make sense to shake things up.

As things stand, the Bulls have one of the top records in the league and they have a deep and well-integrated roster that just needs to get healthy at the right time to have a really good shot at winning it all.

Two things:

1. I think a big part of being able to secure Dwight is getting him on the team first. And I'd certainly roll the dice on him if I'm Chicago, mostly because I too think it's a sure think that he'd resign in Chicago IF he got to play there. He compliments Rose perfectly,and I think they become a clear favorite in the East this season. (I don't think they are now, and I think they're destined for the same fate they had last year if they stay pat)

2. Again, I think what makes him so unique is that we're not talking about a PG that needs to learn an offense, or a wing that needs to learn spacing and tendencies, we're talking about a genetic freak whose role on offense should be more or less, run the floor, stay near the hoop, set a pick when D-Rose calls for it.

All of what you said makes sense, but I still think it basically comes down to Chicago giving up their chances to win a title this year in order to have a better chance at winning a title for the next 4-5 years.

That sort of gamble would make sense for a middle-tier team, but not for a team currently at the top of the league. 

When your team has as good a chance at winning a title right now as the Bulls do this season, I don't think it makes sense to risk messing it up, even if it could make your team better in the future.

[StartOrien]

All of what you said makes sense, but I still think it basically comes down to Chicago giving up their chances to win a title this year in order to have a better chance at winning a title for the next 4-5 years.

That sort of gamble would make sense for a middle-tier team, but not for a team currently at the top of the league.  

When your team has as good a chance at winning a title right now as the Bulls do this season, I don't think it makes sense to risk messing it up, even if it could make your team better in the future.

I know what you're saying, but this is the same exact logic the Cavaliers used when they had Lebron. They showed good regular season health, and consistently turned down the chance to significantly upgrade the talent on their roster to protect the chemistry of the team.

I don't see anyone whose going to be able to elevate their game outside of D-Rose, and if that's the case, I don't think there's any chance they can beat the Heat - again, a team they lost convincingly to in a 7 game series last year. 

[PosImpos]

All of what you said makes sense, but I still think it basically comes down to Chicago giving up their chances to win a title this year in order to have a better chance at winning a title for the next 4-5 years.

That sort of gamble would make sense for a middle-tier team, but not for a team currently at the top of the league. 

When your team has as good a chance at winning a title right now as the Bulls do this season, I don't think it makes sense to risk messing it up, even if it could make your team better in the future.

I know what you're saying, but this is the same exact logic the Cavaliers used when they had Lebron. They showed good regular season health, and consistently turned down the chance to significantly upgrade the talent on their roster to protect the chemistry of the team.

I don't see anyone whose going to be able to elevate their game outside of D-Rose, and if that's the case, I don't think there's any chance they can beat the Heat - again, a team they lost convincingly to in a 7 game series last year. 

You might be right, though I do think the Bulls have a lot more talent on the roster than those Cleveland teams did.

I still think any big changes the Bulls might want to make, if they want to make them, should be made in the off-season, not halfway through a season in which they are one of the best teams in the league. 

I think one of the cardinal rules of GMing should be that you don't break up a contender mid-way through a season.  Opportunities to really contend for a title are just so rare in this league.

[ChefEricT]

I think the shortest rebuild period would be if they make the Knicks deal.  Also, that deal keeps butts in the seats.  If they make a deal for youth and expiring deals they wouldn't be able to attract a player with Amare's ability or stature, therefore, you take it when you can get it.

[rondohondo]

All of what you said makes sense, but I still think it basically comes down to Chicago giving up their chances to win a title this year in order to have a better chance at winning a title for the next 4-5 years.

That sort of gamble would make sense for a middle-tier team, but not for a team currently at the top of the league.  

When your team has as good a chance at winning a title right now as the Bulls do this season, I don't think it makes sense to risk messing it up, even if it could make your team better in the future.

I know what you're saying, but this is the same exact logic the Cavaliers used when they had Lebron. They showed good regular season health, and consistently turned down the chance to significantly upgrade the talent on their roster to protect the chemistry of the team.

I don't see anyone whose going to be able to elevate their game outside of D-Rose, and if that's the case, I don't think there's any chance they can beat the Heat - again, a team they lost convincingly to in a 7 game series last year. 

Agree 100 % Remember when the cavs could have landed Amare, but were unwilling to part with JJ Hickson so instead they traded for Jamison as the guy that would but them over the top?yea how did that turn out?

If you get a chance to land the most dominant big man in the game at 26 years old without giving up Rose you do it in a heartbeat. A core of Dwight and Rose are title contenders for the next 6 or 7 years easily

[PosImpos]

I think the shortest rebuild period would be if they make the Knicks deal.  Also, that deal keeps butts in the seats.  If they make a deal for youth and expiring deals they wouldn't be able to attract a player with Amare's ability or stature, therefore, you take it when you can get it.

Yeah, a deal for Amare and Chandler probably lets Otis Smith keep his job, and keeps the Magic as a playoff team.  In fact, with the kind of defense SVG could probably get from that Amare / Chandler front court, they might be a better team after that trade.