Would you trade Rondo to PHX?

[LarBrd33]

I'm bringing back and oldie with this trade idea.


Presuming this team continues to play surprisingly well (despite not having a starting center) and Ainge decides NOT to blow up the big 3 (meaning trading Pierce and Ray for cap space, young players and draft picks)... Would you do this?

Rondo (10 mil) for Steve Nash (11 mil expiring) + the Suns unprotected 1st rounder?

Why for Boston:  Nash, Ray and KG will all come off the books next year... we could try to bring them back for cheap.  Instead of having 25 mil in cap space, this trade would give us 36 mil in cap space, but we'd still need to make decisions on what to do with Nash, Ray, KG, Bass, Jeff Green and Pietrus.  Also... the Suns pick is currently projected #8 in the lotto so we aren't leaving empty handed.

Why for the Suns:  Nash is old.  He would likely make the playoffs on Boston (though they still wouldn't really be contenders if you ask me) and he deserves to play on a winning team.  Rondo is in his prime and is a solid 26 year old replacement PG for their future.

Why not for the Suns:  If I'm them, I'm not sure I'd give up the face of our franchise (despite him being 38 years old) AND our biggest building block (2012 unprotected lotto pick) for Rondo.  It seems to contradict itself... getting a young star (Rondo) and trading away our best asset (lotto pick).  Doesn't make much sense.

Alternatives: 

#1 Rondo and JO for Nash and Gortat.  Can't see it happening.  Gortat is too good.  He's 27.  Not sure it makes sense for the Suns.

#2 Rondo and our 1st rounder (make it lotto protected) for Nash and their 1st rounder (unprotected) ....   I don't think it's enough for Boston.


Thoughts? 

 

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'm leaning towards doing it, particularly now with Rondo hurt. The spacing someone like Nash would provide would be amazing. Defensively would be the key component for me, but I've never liked much how Rondo defended anyways, so it's interesting to say the least.

[wdleehi]

No. 


I would not trade Rondo for a rental.

[LarBrd33]

I'm leaning towards doing it, particularly now with Rondo hurt. The spacing someone like Nash would provide would be amazing. Defensively would be the key component for me, but I've never liked much how Rondo defended anyways, so it's interesting to say the least.

Right... well for the last several weeks I've been pushing hard to blow up this team and get young talent and draft picks while we still can.  I've been pretty overwhelmingly been shot down by the majority of this forum.

SO that leads me to believe that the miniscule window KG and Ray provide us is far more valuable to this board than long term vision and building for the future.  If that's the case, I'd expect the majority of this board to be in favor of a Rondo for Nash trade.  On one hand, it probably improves us this year, because the shooting Nash provides will completely transform our offense.  Additionally, if you rid yourself of Rondo's contract and get a lotto pick, it might be really hard to pass up.  I fully expect Dwight and Deron to be off the market before the offseason (extended or traded), but theoretically with 36 mil in cap space you'd have almost enough to offer Dwight and Deron max contracts (18 mil each).

Otherwise... with 36 mil in cap space you can probably find a creative way to retain Nash, KG and Ray on CHEAP 2 year deals (to line up with Pierce) give Bass and Jeff Green contracts... and you might even have a little left over to bring in a starting center for next year like Chris Kaman.  Nice little playoff team there... and in 2 years when Pierce falls off the books we can target max contract players for our long-awaited rebuild.

[LarBrd33]

No.  


I would not trade Rondo for a rental.

In most scenarios, KG and Ray can be considered "rentals" (since we'd be theoretically using up our 25 mil in cap room to bring in impact guys and have nothing left for them)...

So by that logic and since you are anti-rental would you move KG and Ray for young prospects/draft picks RIGHT NOW if given the opportunity?

Seems there are two different mentalities here.  Tryin to figure out where people stand on this.

[wdleehi]

No. 


I would not trade Rondo for a rental.

In most scenarios, KG and Ray can be considered "rentals" (since we'd be theoretically using up our 25 mil in cap room to bring in impact guys and have nothing left for them)...

So by that logic and since you are anti-rental would you move KG and Ray for young prospects/draft picks RIGHT NOW if given the opportunity?

Seems there are two different mentalities here.  Tryin to figure out where people stand on this.

If the Celtics were able to get real prospects without bad contracts, sure. 


But, this is just unlikely.


Therefor, the best path is to let this year play out and see what the team can do with a ton of cap space this summer. 

Maybe it can be used to add a new star.  Maybe it can be used to add some good draft picks. 


But until then, let's see what this team can do. 

[LarBrd33]

No. 


I would not trade Rondo for a rental.

In most scenarios, KG and Ray can be considered "rentals" (since we'd be theoretically using up our 25 mil in cap room to bring in impact guys and have nothing left for them)...

So by that logic and since you are anti-rental would you move KG and Ray for young prospects/draft picks RIGHT NOW if given the opportunity?

Seems there are two different mentalities here.  Tryin to figure out where people stand on this.

If the Celtics were able to get real prospects without bad contracts, sure. 


But, this is just unlikely.


Therefor, the best path is to let this year play out and see what the team can do with a ton of cap space this summer. 

Maybe it can be used to add a new star.  Maybe it can be used to add some good draft picks. 


But until then, let's see what this team can do. 

Well we don't really have a "ton" of cap space this summer, but I hear you. 

So ... if the SUns offered you their unprotected 1st rounder (currently the #8 pick) and the Nash rental for Rondo... you'd be against it?  Out of curiosity, if it was Nash, Gortat and the #1 for Rondo and JO would you still be against it?

[BudweiserCeltic]

No. 


I would not trade Rondo for a rental.

In most scenarios, KG and Ray can be considered "rentals" (since we'd be theoretically using up our 25 mil in cap room to bring in impact guys and have nothing left for them)...

So by that logic and since you are anti-rental would you move KG and Ray for young prospects/draft picks RIGHT NOW if given the opportunity?

Seems there are two different mentalities here.  Tryin to figure out where people stand on this.

If the Celtics were able to get real prospects without bad contracts, sure. 


But, this is just unlikely.


Therefor, the best path is to let this year play out and see what the team can do with a ton of cap space this summer. 

Maybe it can be used to add a new star.  Maybe it can be used to add some good draft picks. 


But until then, let's see what this team can do. 

Well we don't really have a "ton" of cap space this summer, but I hear you. 

So ... if the SUns offered you their unprotected 1st rounder (currently the #8 pick) and the Nash rental for Rondo... you'd be against it?  Out of curiosity, if it was Nash, Gortat and the #1 for Rondo and JO would you still be against it?

Well, hypothetically we could be trading for the #1 pick in the draft!

[wdleehi]

No. 


I would not trade Rondo for a rental.

In most scenarios, KG and Ray can be considered "rentals" (since we'd be theoretically using up our 25 mil in cap room to bring in impact guys and have nothing left for them)...

So by that logic and since you are anti-rental would you move KG and Ray for young prospects/draft picks RIGHT NOW if given the opportunity?

Seems there are two different mentalities here.  Tryin to figure out where people stand on this.

If the Celtics were able to get real prospects without bad contracts, sure. 


But, this is just unlikely.


Therefor, the best path is to let this year play out and see what the team can do with a ton of cap space this summer. 

Maybe it can be used to add a new star.  Maybe it can be used to add some good draft picks. 


But until then, let's see what this team can do. 

Well we don't really have a "ton" of cap space this summer, but I hear you. 

So ... if the SUns offered you their unprotected 1st rounder (currently the #8 pick) and the Nash rental for Rondo... you'd be against it?  Out of curiosity, if it was Nash, Gortat and the #1 for Rondo and JO would you still be against it?

Against.  I am not for giving up Rondo unless the Celtics get a star back.  

[PosImpos]

I liked this trade before because of its win-now potential, but at this point I don't think it would put us over the top even if we got Nash and Gortat for Rondo.

Ultimately it comes down to getting a mid to late lottery pick in the upcoming draft for Rondo, and while this draft is loaded, that's not a good enough return.


If we're going to trade Rondo to move up in the draft, I'd rather package our two firsts with Rondo and get into the top 3-5 on draft day.

[BballTim]

I liked this trade before because of its win-now potential, but at this point I don't think it would put us over the top even if we got Nash and Gortat for Rondo.

Ultimately it comes down to getting a mid to late lottery pick in the upcoming draft for Rondo, and while this draft is loaded, that's not a good enough return.


If we're going to trade Rondo to move up in the draft, I'd rather package our two firsts with Rondo and get into the top 3-5 on draft day.

  High draft picks are great, the players they turn into aren't always. How often do drafts have 5 players that are better than Rondo?

[tyrone biggums]

I liked this trade before because of its win-now potential, but at this point I don't think it would put us over the top even if we got Nash and Gortat for Rondo.

Ultimately it comes down to getting a mid to late lottery pick in the upcoming draft for Rondo, and while this draft is loaded, that's not a good enough return.


If we're going to trade Rondo to move up in the draft, I'd rather package our two firsts with Rondo and get into the top 3-5 on draft day.

  High draft picks are great, the players they turn into aren't always. How often do drafts have 5 players that are better than Rondo?

Yeah, no thanks for dealing Rondo for any of the above. Plus I highly doubt Phoenix does Gortat Nash and the #1 for Rondo anyways.

[European NBA fan]

I'm leaning towards doing it, particularly now with Rondo hurt. The spacing someone like Nash would provide would be amazing. Defensively would be the key component for me, but I've never liked much how Rondo defended anyways, so it's interesting to say the least.

So the best defensive pg in the league is not to your liking? (he has been on the last two all defensive teams, so the  consensus among league coaches is, that he is the best).

Rondo scores more points than Nash (with more minutes - but why would Nash be able to play more minutes with the Celtics than with the Suns, who are known for their exceptional medical staff?).
 
Nash and Rondo are imo pretty much a wash on offense. Nash is still a little better, but gives you less minutes. And the fastpaced style of offense, that he is used to run, doesn't look very much like the Celtics offense, so there would need to be adjustments. Not easy to do without any practice sessions. Of course Nash is talented enough to make the adjustments, but then we wouldn't be playing to his strengths.

So, no, I see absolutely no reason to make the trade.

[LarBrd33]

No. 


I would not trade Rondo for a rental.

In most scenarios, KG and Ray can be considered "rentals" (since we'd be theoretically using up our 25 mil in cap room to bring in impact guys and have nothing left for them)...

So by that logic and since you are anti-rental would you move KG and Ray for young prospects/draft picks RIGHT NOW if given the opportunity?

Seems there are two different mentalities here.  Tryin to figure out where people stand on this.

If the Celtics were able to get real prospects without bad contracts, sure. 


But, this is just unlikely.


Therefor, the best path is to let this year play out and see what the team can do with a ton of cap space this summer. 

Maybe it can be used to add a new star.  Maybe it can be used to add some good draft picks. 


But until then, let's see what this team can do. 

Well we don't really have a "ton" of cap space this summer, but I hear you. 

So ... if the SUns offered you their unprotected 1st rounder (currently the #8 pick) and the Nash rental for Rondo... you'd be against it?  Out of curiosity, if it was Nash, Gortat and the #1 for Rondo and JO would you still be against it?

Against.  I am not for giving up Rondo unless the Celtics get a star back.  

Depending on how this season pans out, that unprotected Suns pick could be the top pick int he draft...

Still.  I respect where you stand.  I think you and I share the same mentality on this team.  I saw you propose a "blow it up" Pierce trade where we were getting young guys from Utah so I think I know where you're coming from. 

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No! First of all, Nash couldn't defend a chair if his life dependent on it. But the main reason is because his career is all but finished.