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Re: Super Bowl XLVI - Pats (13-3) vs Giants (9-7) 02/05
« Reply #285 on: February 05, 2012, 11:03:52 PM »

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Deja vu of the SB 4 years ago. Team with the ball last and a reasonable amount of time on the clock wins. Unfortunetely for the Pats, in this SB and last SB 4 years ago, they had less than 1 minute to put together a miracle drive against a great defense and couldn't convert. :(

Welker, Hernandez and some others had some catches that went in their hands and out down the stretch in the last few minutes of the game. Should've caught them. While the Giants had the crazy out of bounce catch that was this years, poor-man's version of the Helmet Catch 4 years ago.

Funny thing was, I even though I'm a Pats fan, I expected the Pats to lose the SB when the Giants got the ball back with a few minutes remaining; I was not confident at all that Tom Brady would be able to win us the SB with the amount of time that would probably be left on the clock. I was having 2007 flashbacks right there.

This loss stings but not as much as 2007 did. That ruined the Perfect 19-0 Season. That ruined 4 SB wins in 7 years. Heck, this loss didn't sting as bad as the Denver loss in 2005 when the Pats were going for 3 Consecutive SB Championships or the loss to the despised Indiana Colts in 2006 AFC Championship game when they were going for 4 SB's wins in 6 years.

It's crazy how much parity is in the NFL now that a team with barely a winning record in the regular season in the NY Giants can win the Superbowl, just because they got hot at the right time, much like 2007 (although they were 10-6 that year). Obviously that's what the NFL wants.

A team that goes 10-6 and 9-7 in the years that they win the SB in a 4 year span? Doesn't sound like they 'earned it' in the regular season. They earned it less than the 11-5 Pats in 2001 'earned it' in that regular season.

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« Reply #286 on: February 05, 2012, 11:09:05 PM »

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Deja vu of the SB 4 years ago. Team with the ball last and a reasonable amount of time on the clock wins. Unfortunetely for the Pats, in this SB and last SB 4 years ago, they had less than 1 minute to put together a miracle drive against a great defense and couldn't convert. :(

Welker, Hernandez and some others had some catches that went in their hands and out down the stretch in the last few minutes of the game. Should've caught them. While the Giants had the crazy out of bounce catch that was this years, poor-man's version of the Helmet Catch 4 years ago.

Funny thing was, I even though I'm a Pats fan, I expected the Pats to lose the SB when the Giants got the ball back with a few minutes remaining; I was not confident at all that Tom Brady would be able to win us the SB with the amount of time that would probably be left on the clock. I was having 2007 flashbacks right there.

This loss stings but not as much as 2007 did. That ruined the Perfect 19-0 Season. That ruined 4 SB wins in 7 years. Heck, this loss didn't sting as bad as the Denver loss in 2005 when the Pats were going for 3 Consecutive SB Championships or the loss to the despised Indiana Colts in 2006 AFC Championship game when they were going for 4 SB's wins in 6 years.

It's crazy how much parity is in the NFL now that a team with barely a winning record in the regular season in the NY Giants can win the Superbowl, just because they got hot at the right time, much like 2007 (although they were 10-6 that year). Obviously that's what the NFL wants.

A team that goes 10-6 and 9-7 in the years that they win the SB in a 4 year span? Doesn't sound like they 'earned it' in the regular season. They earned it less than the 11-5 Pats in 2001 'earned it' in that regular season.

And that's exactly what can be annoying about the NFL regular season. If you have a good team, you can pretty much sleep walk from week 1 to week 13-14 and just turn it up and get hot the last few weeks of the season into the playoffs. You'd probably think the most dominant team during the season should be the most dominant team in the playoffs, but I guess that's why they play out the games, huh?
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Re: Super Bowl XLVI - Pats (13-3) vs Giants (9-7) 02/05
« Reply #287 on: February 05, 2012, 11:10:03 PM »

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I had serious doubts for a large part of this season, (due to the horrendous defense early on), that the Pats would even make it to the playoffs, so everything beyond that to me has been icing on the cake.

I still wanted this as much as anyone though, and it really stings, but I'm very proud of how this team pulled itself together and came back from big deficits to make it to the Big Show.

Many of these kids will be even better next year, and guys like Hernandez, Gronk, Woodhead, Chung, Arrington, McCourty, Moore, Mankins, Ninkovic, etc., are only going to get better.

Vets like Wilfork, BJGE, Edelman, Welker, and even Branch and Brady, have still got plenty of game left, and I'd be surprised if this team doesn't make a serious run at the Bowl again next year.

I love this team as much as ever, and while I'm heartbroken at this loss, and disappointed at the level of play on both sides of the ball, I still feel priveleged to be a New England Patriots fan.

Now, no more sports news for me for at least a week. ;)

Meh.  This team will win 11-14 games again next year and then fall short of a championship again.  It will take a complete rebuild of this patchwork defense for the team to have a real shot.


NFC > AFC

Seriously, and they even avoided playing Green Bay and New Orleans. I was very much hoping for SF to win the NFC championship game - they looked terrible. Now Eli is going to go down as an elite quarterback and the Patriots' dynasty will be questioned.

Re: Super Bowl XLVI - Pats (13-3) vs Giants (9-7) 02/05
« Reply #288 on: February 05, 2012, 11:17:06 PM »

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those dropped passes down the stretch we're painful to watch and I'm not even a pats fan

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Re: Super Bowl XLVI - Pats (13-3) vs Giants (9-7) 02/05
« Reply #289 on: February 05, 2012, 11:19:55 PM »

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Deja vu of the SB 4 years ago. Team with the ball last and a reasonable amount of time on the clock wins. Unfortunetely for the Pats, in this SB and last SB 4 years ago, they had less than 1 minute to put together a miracle drive against a great defense and couldn't convert. :(

Welker, Hernandez and some others had some catches that went in their hands and out down the stretch in the last few minutes of the game. Should've caught them. While the Giants had the crazy out of bounce catch that was this years, poor-man's version of the Helmet Catch 4 years ago.

Funny thing was, I even though I'm a Pats fan, I expected the Pats to lose the SB when the Giants got the ball back with a few minutes remaining; I was not confident at all that Tom Brady would be able to win us the SB with the amount of time that would probably be left on the clock. I was having 2007 flashbacks right there.

This loss stings but not as much as 2007 did. That ruined the Perfect 19-0 Season. That ruined 4 SB wins in 7 years. Heck, this loss didn't sting as bad as the Denver loss in 2005 when the Pats were going for 3 Consecutive SB Championships or the loss to the despised Indiana Colts in 2006 AFC Championship game when they were going for 4 SB's wins in 6 years.

It's crazy how much parity is in the NFL now that a team with barely a winning record in the regular season in the NY Giants can win the Superbowl, just because they got hot at the right time, much like 2007 (although they were 10-6 that year). Obviously that's what the NFL wants.

A team that goes 10-6 and 9-7 in the years that they win the SB in a 4 year span? Doesn't sound like they 'earned it' in the regular season. They earned it less than the 11-5 Pats in 2001 'earned it' in that regular season.

And that's exactly what can be annoying about the NFL regular season. If you have a good team, you can pretty much sleep walk from week 1 to week 13-14 and just turn it up and get hot the last few weeks of the season into the playoffs. You'd probably think the most dominant team during the season should be the most dominant team in the playoffs, but I guess that's why they play out the games, huh?

Yeah, that's what the NY Giants seem to be proving. Why even try hard to win in the regular season in todays NFL? Just barely make the playoffs with 1 more win than needed to get a Wild-Card seed (2007 Giants) or 1 more win than needed for a Division Title (2011 Giants) and then try hard when you get there.

Re: Super Bowl XLVI - Pats (13-3) vs Giants (9-7) 02/05
« Reply #290 on: February 05, 2012, 11:24:34 PM »

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I had serious doubts for a large part of this season, (due to the horrendous defense early on), that the Pats would even make it to the playoffs, so everything beyond that to me has been icing on the cake.

I still wanted this as much as anyone though, and it really stings, but I'm very proud of how this team pulled itself together and came back from big deficits to make it to the Big Show.

Many of these kids will be even better next year, and guys like Hernandez, Gronk, Woodhead, Chung, Arrington, McCourty, Moore, Mankins, Ninkovic, etc., are only going to get better.

Vets like Wilfork, BJGE, Edelman, Welker, and even Branch and Brady, have still got plenty of game left, and I'd be surprised if this team doesn't make a serious run at the Bowl again next year.

I love this team as much as ever, and while I'm heartbroken at this loss, and disappointed at the level of play on both sides of the ball, I still feel priveleged to be a New England Patriots fan.

Now, no more sports news for me for at least a week. ;)

Meh.  This team will win 11-14 games again next year and then fall short of a championship again.  It will take a complete rebuild of this patchwork defense for the team to have a real shot.


NFC > AFC

Seriously, and they even avoided playing Green Bay and New Orleans. I was very much hoping for SF to win the NFC championship game - they looked terrible. Now Eli is going to go down as an elite quarterback and the Patriots' dynasty will be questioned.

Those who question the whole "dynasty" thing in regard to the Pats, will be doing so because they have an odd definition of the word.

This is a QB/Coach pairing under the Krafts that have gone to the Super Bowl five out of ten years, and won three out of five.

Sorry, but very few people who know football and it's history can make a convincing argument against this team being a "dynasty".
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Re: Super Bowl XLVI - Pats (13-3) vs Giants (9-7) 02/05
« Reply #291 on: February 05, 2012, 11:29:35 PM »

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I had serious doubts for a large part of this season, (due to the horrendous defense early on), that the Pats would even make it to the playoffs, so everything beyond that to me has been icing on the cake.

I still wanted this as much as anyone though, and it really stings, but I'm very proud of how this team pulled itself together and came back from big deficits to make it to the Big Show.

Many of these kids will be even better next year, and guys like Hernandez, Gronk, Woodhead, Chung, Arrington, McCourty, Moore, Mankins, Ninkovic, etc., are only going to get better.

Vets like Wilfork, BJGE, Edelman, Welker, and even Branch and Brady, have still got plenty of game left, and I'd be surprised if this team doesn't make a serious run at the Bowl again next year.

I love this team as much as ever, and while I'm heartbroken at this loss, and disappointed at the level of play on both sides of the ball, I still feel priveleged to be a New England Patriots fan.

Now, no more sports news for me for at least a week. ;)

Meh.  This team will win 11-14 games again next year and then fall short of a championship again.  It will take a complete rebuild of this patchwork defense for the team to have a real shot.


NFC > AFC

Seriously, and they even avoided playing Green Bay and New Orleans. I was very much hoping for SF to win the NFC championship game - they looked terrible. Now Eli is going to go down as an elite quarterback and the Patriots' dynasty will be questioned.

Those who question the whole "dynasty" thing in regard to the Pats, will be doing so because they have an odd definition of the word.

This is a QB/Coach pairing under the Krafts that have gone to the Super Bowl five out of ten years, and won three out of five.

Sorry, but very few people who know football and it's history can make a convincing argument against this team being a "dynasty".

One of winningest teams over the past decade?  Absolutely.

But people will question whether Brady and Bellichick were really that great / clutch when it really mattered after these two straight Super Bowl losses and the two losses in the playoffs the last few years.  Hard to have much faith in Brady and the Pats anymore when they have the ball late in the game.  


There can be no doubt anymore that in the NFL the regular season doesn't mean a darned thing other than qualifying for the playoffs.  All of Brady's regular season accolades and accomplishments over the last couple of years are meaningless because he doesn't have any rings to show for it.  People will say Eli is a better quarterback because he's lead his team to two Super Bowls, and many will make the argument that Brady hasn't won a single Super Bowl when he was the focal point of his team's success. 

Brady won 3 Super Bowls with a dominant defense and an incredible kicker.  He didn't start putting up incredible numbers until after that, and since the team became the Brady Show the Pats haven't won.
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Re: Super Bowl XLVI - Pats (13-3) vs Giants (9-7) 02/05
« Reply #292 on: February 06, 2012, 12:20:54 AM »

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I had serious doubts for a large part of this season, (due to the horrendous defense early on), that the Pats would even make it to the playoffs, so everything beyond that to me has been icing on the cake.

I still wanted this as much as anyone though, and it really stings, but I'm very proud of how this team pulled itself together and came back from big deficits to make it to the Big Show.

Many of these kids will be even better next year, and guys like Hernandez, Gronk, Woodhead, Chung, Arrington, McCourty, Moore, Mankins, Ninkovic, etc., are only going to get better.

Vets like Wilfork, BJGE, Edelman, Welker, and even Branch and Brady, have still got plenty of game left, and I'd be surprised if this team doesn't make a serious run at the Bowl again next year.

I love this team as much as ever, and while I'm heartbroken at this loss, and disappointed at the level of play on both sides of the ball, I still feel priveleged to be a New England Patriots fan.

Now, no more sports news for me for at least a week. ;)

Meh.  This team will win 11-14 games again next year and then fall short of a championship again.  It will take a complete rebuild of this patchwork defense for the team to have a real shot.


NFC > AFC

Seriously, and they even avoided playing Green Bay and New Orleans. I was very much hoping for SF to win the NFC championship game - they looked terrible. Now Eli is going to go down as an elite quarterback and the Patriots' dynasty will be questioned.

Those who question the whole "dynasty" thing in regard to the Pats, will be doing so because they have an odd definition of the word.

This is a QB/Coach pairing under the Krafts that have gone to the Super Bowl five out of ten years, and won three out of five.

Sorry, but very few people who know football and it's history can make a convincing argument against this team being a "dynasty".

One of winningest teams over the past decade?  Absolutely.

But people will question whether Brady and Bellichick were really that great / clutch when it really mattered after these two straight Super Bowl losses and the two losses in the playoffs the last few years.  Hard to have much faith in Brady and the Pats anymore when they have the ball late in the game.  


There can be no doubt anymore that in the NFL the regular season doesn't mean a darned thing other than qualifying for the playoffs.  All of Brady's regular season accolades and accomplishments over the last couple of years are meaningless because he doesn't have any rings to show for it.  People will say Eli is a better quarterback because he's lead his team to two Super Bowls, and many will make the argument that Brady hasn't won a single Super Bowl when he was the focal point of his team's success.  

Brady won 3 Super Bowls with a dominant defense and an incredible kicker.  He didn't start putting up incredible numbers until after that, and since the team became the Brady Show the Pats haven't won.

Huh?!?

He was as much a "focal point of the team's success" then as Eli was tonight, (without some amazing catches by his receivers), and in fact was more so, coming in as a third-string QB under tough circumstances, taking his team to the Championship in his first year on the field.

Has Eli ever been under similar pressure or circumstances? I mean, what is any starting QB if not "the focal point of the team's success"? That just plain doesn't hold up under scrutiny, or make a lot of sense. If that miracle, (and extremely lucky), catch hadn't been made four years ago, Eli would be winning his first by a narrow margin, and if a Patriot receiver had made the same kind of miracle catch tonight, Eli would not have any.

I could just as easily make the argument that Manning won these games on the talent of his receivers, just as comparably as Brady lost them tonight on the mistakes of his. Hernandez makes that catch, different game ... Welker makes that catch, game over. The passes were where they needed to be, but were dropped.

Five trips and three wins, (three in four years, and one in his first year starting) is an amazing run by anyone's standards, (and a superior performance to two-and-two, and what ... twenty-five picks last year?), and one I doubt Eli will ever repeat, (along with Tom's individual game, yardage, and win records).

Sorry, but there's just no comparison here, and there is no question that this Patriots run is a "dynasty", or else they've recently changed the meaning of the word. Eli's an excellent QB, and certainly can be considered as "elite", but he's got a long way to go to be in the same class as Tom Brady.

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Re: Super Bowl XLVI - Pats (13-3) vs Giants (9-7) 02/05
« Reply #293 on: February 06, 2012, 01:20:45 AM »

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I had serious doubts for a large part of this season, (due to the horrendous defense early on), that the Pats would even make it to the playoffs, so everything beyond that to me has been icing on the cake.

I still wanted this as much as anyone though, and it really stings, but I'm very proud of how this team pulled itself together and came back from big deficits to make it to the Big Show.

Many of these kids will be even better next year, and guys like Hernandez, Gronk, Woodhead, Chung, Arrington, McCourty, Moore, Mankins, Ninkovic, etc., are only going to get better.

Vets like Wilfork, BJGE, Edelman, Welker, and even Branch and Brady, have still got plenty of game left, and I'd be surprised if this team doesn't make a serious run at the Bowl again next year.

I love this team as much as ever, and while I'm heartbroken at this loss, and disappointed at the level of play on both sides of the ball, I still feel priveleged to be a New England Patriots fan.

Now, no more sports news for me for at least a week. ;)

Meh.  This team will win 11-14 games again next year and then fall short of a championship again.  It will take a complete rebuild of this patchwork defense for the team to have a real shot.


NFC > AFC

Seriously, and they even avoided playing Green Bay and New Orleans. I was very much hoping for SF to win the NFC championship game - they looked terrible. Now Eli is going to go down as an elite quarterback and the Patriots' dynasty will be questioned.

Those who question the whole "dynasty" thing in regard to the Pats, will be doing so because they have an odd definition of the word.

This is a QB/Coach pairing under the Krafts that have gone to the Super Bowl five out of ten years, and won three out of five.

Sorry, but very few people who know football and it's history can make a convincing argument against this team being a "dynasty".

One of winningest teams over the past decade?  Absolutely.

But people will question whether Brady and Bellichick were really that great / clutch when it really mattered after these two straight Super Bowl losses and the two losses in the playoffs the last few years.  Hard to have much faith in Brady and the Pats anymore when they have the ball late in the game.  


There can be no doubt anymore that in the NFL the regular season doesn't mean a darned thing other than qualifying for the playoffs.  All of Brady's regular season accolades and accomplishments over the last couple of years are meaningless because he doesn't have any rings to show for it.  People will say Eli is a better quarterback because he's lead his team to two Super Bowls, and many will make the argument that Brady hasn't won a single Super Bowl when he was the focal point of his team's success.  

Brady won 3 Super Bowls with a dominant defense and an incredible kicker.  He didn't start putting up incredible numbers until after that, and since the team became the Brady Show the Pats haven't won.

Huh?!?

He was as much a "focal point of the team's success" then as Eli was tonight, (without some amazing catches by his receivers), and in fact was more so, coming in as a third-string QB under tough circumstances, taking his team to the Championship in his first year on the field.

Has Eli ever been under similar pressure or circumstances? I mean, what is any starting QB if not "the focal point of the team's success"? That just plain doesn't hold up under scrutiny, or make a lot of sense. If that miracle, (and extremely lucky), catch hadn't been made four years ago, Eli would be winning his first by a narrow margin, and if a Patriot receiver had made the same kind of miracle catch tonight, Eli would not have any.

I could just as easily make the argument that Manning won these games on the talent of his receivers, just as comparably as Brady lost them tonight on the mistakes of his. Hernandez makes that catch, different game ... Welker makes that catch, game over. The passes were where they needed to be, but were dropped.

Five trips and three wins, (three in four years, and one in his first year starting) is an amazing run by anyone's standards, (and a superior performance to two-and-two, and what ... twenty-five picks last year?), and one I doubt Eli will ever repeat, (along with Tom's individual game, yardage, and win records).

Sorry, but there's just no comparison here, and there is no question that this Patriots run is a "dynasty", or else they've recently changed the meaning of the word. Eli's an excellent QB, and certainly can be considered as "elite", but he's got a long way to go to be in the same class as Tom Brady.




Would you disagree with the fact that Brady has carried the team the last few years?  The defense has been a joke and the running game has been totally secondary to the passing game.

The Giants, on the other hand, are a completely, complementary team.  Eli gets a ton of credit (rightfully so) for the 4th quarter drives, but he isn't the first, second, and third though he's probably the first or second most of the time) reason that team wins big games.  

When the Patriots were winning Super Bowls earlier in the decade, they were a complementary team, much like the Giants are now.  Brady had some clutch moments, but the team relied on the defense, special teams, and running game at least as much as they relied on Brady and the passing game.

The Patriots are MUCH more one-dimensional in the past few years than they were in the SB years, and much more so than the last two Giants SB teams.
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I really hate this whole Tom Brady/Bill Belichick "legacy" thing.

Seriously? How about consistently winning football games, getting your team to superbowls and keeping the New England Patriots relevant for the past ELEVEN years ever since he took over at QB. Sounds pretty good to me.

Its gotten to the point to me that superbowl trips mean more than actual superbowl wins only because in football with how much parity is in the league, anything can happen in any game. Getting to 5 superbowls in the past 10 years is consistency, losing in their past 2 on one miracle catch and one on a unbelievable non-catch is just crap luck.
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I had serious doubts for a large part of this season, (due to the horrendous defense early on), that the Pats would even make it to the playoffs, so everything beyond that to me has been icing on the cake.

I still wanted this as much as anyone though, and it really stings, but I'm very proud of how this team pulled itself together and came back from big deficits to make it to the Big Show.

Many of these kids will be even better next year, and guys like Hernandez, Gronk, Woodhead, Chung, Arrington, McCourty, Moore, Mankins, Ninkovic, etc., are only going to get better.

Vets like Wilfork, BJGE, Edelman, Welker, and even Branch and Brady, have still got plenty of game left, and I'd be surprised if this team doesn't make a serious run at the Bowl again next year.

I love this team as much as ever, and while I'm heartbroken at this loss, and disappointed at the level of play on both sides of the ball, I still feel priveleged to be a New England Patriots fan.

Now, no more sports news for me for at least a week. ;)

Meh.  This team will win 11-14 games again next year and then fall short of a championship again.  It will take a complete rebuild of this patchwork defense for the team to have a real shot.


NFC > AFC

Seriously, and they even avoided playing Green Bay and New Orleans. I was very much hoping for SF to win the NFC championship game - they looked terrible. Now Eli is going to go down as an elite quarterback and the Patriots' dynasty will be questioned.

Those who question the whole "dynasty" thing in regard to the Pats, will be doing so because they have an odd definition of the word.

This is a QB/Coach pairing under the Krafts that have gone to the Super Bowl five out of ten years, and won three out of five.

Sorry, but very few people who know football and it's history can make a convincing argument against this team being a "dynasty".

One of winningest teams over the past decade?  Absolutely.

But people will question whether Brady and Bellichick were really that great / clutch when it really mattered after these two straight Super Bowl losses and the two losses in the playoffs the last few years.  Hard to have much faith in Brady and the Pats anymore when they have the ball late in the game.  


There can be no doubt anymore that in the NFL the regular season doesn't mean a darned thing other than qualifying for the playoffs.  All of Brady's regular season accolades and accomplishments over the last couple of years are meaningless because he doesn't have any rings to show for it.  People will say Eli is a better quarterback because he's lead his team to two Super Bowls, and many will make the argument that Brady hasn't won a single Super Bowl when he was the focal point of his team's success.  

Brady won 3 Super Bowls with a dominant defense and an incredible kicker.  He didn't start putting up incredible numbers until after that, and since the team became the Brady Show the Pats haven't won.

Huh?!?

He was as much a "focal point of the team's success" then as Eli was tonight, (without some amazing catches by his receivers), and in fact was more so, coming in as a third-string QB under tough circumstances, taking his team to the Championship in his first year on the field.

Has Eli ever been under similar pressure or circumstances? I mean, what is any starting QB if not "the focal point of the team's success"? That just plain doesn't hold up under scrutiny, or make a lot of sense. If that miracle, (and extremely lucky), catch hadn't been made four years ago, Eli would be winning his first by a narrow margin, and if a Patriot receiver had made the same kind of miracle catch tonight, Eli would not have any.

I could just as easily make the argument that Manning won these games on the talent of his receivers, just as comparably as Brady lost them tonight on the mistakes of his. Hernandez makes that catch, different game ... Welker makes that catch, game over. The passes were where they needed to be, but were dropped.

Five trips and three wins, (three in four years, and one in his first year starting) is an amazing run by anyone's standards, (and a superior performance to two-and-two, and what ... twenty-five picks last year?), and one I doubt Eli will ever repeat, (along with Tom's individual game, yardage, and win records).

Sorry, but there's just no comparison here, and there is no question that this Patriots run is a "dynasty", or else they've recently changed the meaning of the word. Eli's an excellent QB, and certainly can be considered as "elite", but he's got a long way to go to be in the same class as Tom Brady.




Would you disagree with the fact that Brady has carried the team the last few years?  The defense has been a joke and the running game has been totally secondary to the passing game.

The Giants, on the other hand, are a completely, complementary team.  Eli gets a ton of credit (rightfully so) for the 4th quarter drives, but he isn't the first, second, and third though he's probably the first or second most of the time) reason that team wins big games.  

When the Patriots were winning Super Bowls earlier in the decade, they were a complementary team, much like the Giants are now.  Brady had some clutch moments, but the team relied on the defense, special teams, and running game at least as much as they relied on Brady and the passing game.

The Patriots are MUCH more one-dimensional in the past few years than they were in the SB years, and much more so than the last two Giants SB teams.
Yes, I defintely agree with this, which is why I was not expecting them to get past their first playoff matchup this year ... offense up the wazoo, but the defense was just plain horrible.

On the contrary, during Brady's earlier championship runs, the defense was actually as strong, if not stronger, than the offense. A much more balanced team and that, along with three wins in four years, is what solidified them as a dynasty IMHO.

But I think that just solidifies even more the dominance and talents of the Brady/Belichick combo, as it was largely Tom's talent and success with the offense. (and a stellar receiving corps), that overcame the deficiencies of the defense, and got them to the championship.

The defense certainly improved later in the season, especially with the return of some key starters from the IR and the leadership of Wilfork, but those multiple 20-plus point comebacks would have been nearly impossible for the majority of other QBs, (not all).

They just plain didn't bring their "A" game tonight, and made some key mistakes at the worst time, but to say the regular season is meaningless unless it's followed with a ring is selling a lot of very talented and worthy people short, as a Super Bowl berth is so prized because it is earned by the excellence of regular season play.

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Re: Super Bowl XLVI - Pats (13-3) vs Giants (9-7) 02/05
« Reply #296 on: February 06, 2012, 03:21:32 AM »

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but to say the regular season is meaningless unless it's followed with a ring is selling a lot of very talented and worthy people short, as a Super Bowl berth is so prized because it is earned by the excellence of regular season play.




Yet how can this be true when the Giants did not play excellent football on a consistent basis in the regular season?  They were actually outscored by their opponents in the regular season.  It was their excellent post-season play that mattered.  All they had to do was win a fairly weak division in the regular season.
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Re: Super Bowl XLVI - Pats (13-3) vs Giants (9-7) 02/05
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but to say the regular season is meaningless unless it's followed with a ring is selling a lot of very talented and worthy people short, as a Super Bowl berth is so prized because it is earned by the excellence of regular season play.

Yet how can this be true when the Giants did not play excellent football on a consistent basis in the regular season?  They were actually outscored by their opponents in the regular season.  It was their excellent post-season play that mattered.  All they had to do was win a fairly weak division in the regular season.
There are very few absolutes in this life, but my statement is generally true the majority of the time ... very rarely does a team play poorly, (or even mediocre),  and make it to the Super Bowl, but there are always exceptions.

There may be weak divisions here-and-there, but the better teams usually make it the farthest, or at least the teams that play the best overall ... I'm pretty sure you know that, and understand the point I was making.

This particular Giants team was an anomoly and not the norm, and like Tim Tebow, (who is presently fundamentally lacking in many of the skills needed to be consistently successful in the NFL), just found ways to win at the right times.

More power to them.

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Re: Super Bowl XLVI - Pats (13-3) vs Giants (9-7) 02/05
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the pats defense was never dominant in the superbowl years...its debatable if they were even as good as the current giants defense...probably not
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Re: Super Bowl XLVI - Pats (13-3) vs Giants (9-7) 02/05
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There isn't a doubt in my mind that if one of these 3 things take place the Pats win last night

1. Healthy Andre Carter

2. Healthy Gronk

3. The Pats play against the Manning that throws the interceptions instead of the good one