now this team has no choice to rebuild in the trade market

[green7]

most of the best free agents (besides howard of course)are all taken.so this team has no choice to rebuild in the trade market,so i say trade for some role players and try to sign two impact players in the free agency market (oj mayo & andrew bynum if LA does not resign him).

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8yfdk9z

[RyNye]

Omer Asik is good, but Kyle Korver and Ronnie Brewer are pretty mediocre role players. Not even that good at shooting (low TS% for supposed pure shooters).

[FearTheBeard]

or we could rebuild through the draft


or we could rebuild in the FA after

[green7]

or we could rebuild through the draft


or we could rebuild in the FA after

rebuilding in the draft will take years like sonic/thunders years

[green7]

Omer Asik is good, but Kyle Korver and Ronnie Brewer are pretty mediocre role players. Not even that good at shooting (low TS% for supposed pure shooters).

ronnie's athleticism and defense makes him good that's why this trade should happen he's a good role player

[Lucky17]

or we could rebuild through the draft


or we could rebuild in the FA after

rebuilding in the draft will take years like sonic/thunders years

Funny you mention the Sonics/OKC. Sam Presti used cap space to acquire multiple draft picks, which he then turned into the right mix of players to contend for a championship.

If there's a blueprint on how to properly use cap space, that's it.

[Shots]

Well, your point is fair. However, most of the free agents signing contracts now are restricted, so they would not have been accessible as such, regardless. I say we build through smart drafting and free agency.

The trade you offered is preposterous. We do not become a better team, while improving one of our (once) fiercest competitors significantly. If you would make that trade with the intent to improve for the future, I would argue that Ray Allen could obtain better future prospects, while not strengthening a competitor.

Ronnie Brewer is a decent defensive stopper ala Tony Allen. But, him in a combination with Rondo would, for the same reasons as TA and Rondo, would not be great. Neither are threats from three point range, and Brewer is not creative enough either.

Asik is a great defensive player, perhaps among the best Cs. But from my perspective, he's a great piece for the right team, and not a corner stone in any way. Resembles what Perkins did for this team, however, without a core of four studs, he would be exposed greatly (offensively).

[greenpride32]

It would take CHI less than one second to turn this trade offer down.

[chambers]

Well, your point is fair. However, most of the free agents signing contracts now are restricted, so they would not have been accessible as such, regardless. I say we build through smart drafting and free agency.

The trade you offered is preposterous. We do not become a better team, while improving one of our (once) fiercest competitors significantly. If you would make that trade with the intent to improve for the future, I would argue that Ray Allen could obtain better future prospects, while not strengthening a competitor.

Ronnie Brewer is a decent defensive stopper ala Tony Allen. But, him in a combination with Rondo would, for the same reasons as TA and Rondo, would not be great. Neither are threats from three point range, and Brewer is not creative enough either.

Asik is a great defensive player, perhaps among the best Cs. But from my perspective, he's a great piece for the right team, and not a corner stone in any way. Resembles what Perkins did for this team, however, without a core of four studs, he would be exposed greatly (offensively).

If you think that trade doesn't make us a better team I wonder if you've watched more than 10 Bulls games over the past 2 years?
In fact that trade is so good for us that Chicago laughs in our faces if we suggest making that trade.

You get Asik, Brewer AND Corver, all for the same money of Ray Allen. Your bench is basically taken care of for the next 5 years.
There's a reason that Chicago is so good- their bench is probably the toughest in the NBA along with the Mavs.

Do you think Chicago would actually agree to a 36 year old guy for these three reliable, consistent player who play defense just as good as offense?

Now that is preposterous.

[green7]

Well, your point is fair. However, most of the free agents signing contracts now are restricted, so they would not have been accessible as such, regardless. I say we build through smart drafting and free agency.

The trade you offered is preposterous. We do not become a better team, while improving one of our (once) fiercest competitors significantly. If you would make that trade with the intent to improve for the future, I would argue that Ray Allen could obtain better future prospects, while not strengthening a competitor.

Ronnie Brewer is a decent defensive stopper ala Tony Allen. But, him in a combination with Rondo would, for the same reasons as TA and Rondo, would not be great. Neither are threats from three point range, and Brewer is not creative enough either.

Asik is a great defensive player, perhaps among the best Cs. But from my perspective, he's a great piece for the right team, and not a corner stone in any way. Resembles what Perkins did for this team, however, without a core of four studs, he would be exposed greatly (offensively).

i'm not saying brewer should take the starting role the team can use pietrus for that but brewer and omer could be good role players in the future

[green7]

Well, your point is fair. However, most of the free agents signing contracts now are restricted, so they would not have been accessible as such, regardless. I say we build through smart drafting and free agency.

The trade you offered is preposterous. We do not become a better team, while improving one of our (once) fiercest competitors significantly. If you would make that trade with the intent to improve for the future, I would argue that Ray Allen could obtain better future prospects, while not strengthening a competitor.

Ronnie Brewer is a decent defensive stopper ala Tony Allen. But, him in a combination with Rondo would, for the same reasons as TA and Rondo, would not be great. Neither are threats from three point range, and Brewer is not creative enough either.

Asik is a great defensive player, perhaps among the best Cs. But from my perspective, he's a great piece for the right team, and not a corner stone in any way. Resembles what Perkins did for this team, however, without a core of four studs, he would be exposed greatly (offensively).

If you think that trade doesn't make us a better team I wonder if you've watched more than 10 Bulls games over the past 2 years?
In fact that trade is so good for us that Chicago laughs in our faces if we suggest making that trade.

You get Asik, Brewer AND Corver, all for the same money of Ray Allen. Your bench is basically taken care of for the next 5 years.
There's a reason that Chicago is so good- their bench is probably the toughest in the NBA along with the Mavs.

Do you think Chicago would actually agree to a 36 year old guy for these three reliable, consistent player who play defense just as good as offense?

Now that is preposterous.

agreed even with rip gone and brewer in that starting line the bulls did not miss a beat

[Shots]

Do you think Chicago would actually agree to a 36 year old guy for these three reliable, consistent player who play defense just as good as offense?

No, I don't. That is why I labelled the trade preposterous (which sounds a bit too harsh, reviewing it). However, rather than taking the perspective of Chicago, I understood it in the context of the Celtics.

I completely understand and somewhat agree with your arguments. For a multitude of reasons, that is not a good trade.

However, understanding your evaluation of the Chicago players, I would argue that they are players fitting well (or, in Asik's case, greatly) into the system they are playing. They are players whom are well defined and utilized in the system they exist. Put into the context of the Celtics, however, my point was simply, that I think they would perform differently, given that the roles they would have here necessarily are different. Labelling the above players as 'core bench guys', on a team on the verge of rebuilding, does not resonate with my understanding of that 'concept'. If you do not have a core to rebuild around, why bother trying?

Look at the Milwaukee Bucks. They have a lot of potentially awesome bench players, but lack a resemblance of a startingcore capable of letting these players shine.

[Chris]

If the Bulls were willing to offer that, it would have been done weeks ago.  Unfortunately, they are not giving up 3 rotation players, including one of the best backup big men in the league and a guy in Brewer who seems to be coming into his own, for a couple months of Ray Allen.

[SHAQATTACK]

Getting a few new players though the draft seems like a good idea anywa. Inject some new blood on the team , take a gamble, who know , might hit a special sleeper talent and then see what FA or stars become available.

[Casperian]

or we could rebuild through the draft


or we could rebuild in the FA after

rebuilding in the draft will take years like sonic/thunders years

Funny you mention the Sonics/OKC. Sam Presti used cap space to acquire multiple draft picks, which he then turned into the right mix of players to contend for a championship.

If there's a blueprint on how to properly use cap space, that's it.

Presti was lucky that he had cap space at the right time and a fanbase in OKC which accepted a complete (re)build, not to mention that he got Durant with the #2 pick to build around. Ideal circumstances.

Unless you want to recreate the housing bubble and the resulting financial crisis to force teams to panic and overpay just for the sake of cap relief, you won´t see anything similar for a long time.