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Re: Continue to develop Avery as a PG
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2012, 05:39:26 PM »

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I have no problem with Avery getting minutes at either guard spot.  He's not just a harrasser against the opposing point man, but he also fights through screens well and closes out on spot up shooters well.

I certainly agree that I would love to see him find some confidence with his jump shot. 
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Re: Continue to develop Avery as a PG
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2012, 05:56:19 PM »

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AB reminds me a lot of TA; great on defense, but a huge liablity on offense.  Sure he can pester the opposing point guard, but if he's just going to take bad shots and not be able to run the offense it's kind of a wash.

Re: Continue to develop Avery as a PG
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2012, 06:31:01 PM »

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I have no problem with Avery getting minutes at either guard spot.  He's not just a harrasser against the opposing point man, but he also fights through screens well and closes out on spot up shooters well.

I certainly agree that I would love to see him find some confidence with his jump shot. 

As I watched Bradley play last night on offense what struck me was not so much his shooting (once again, good form but bad results) but his lack of attacking the basket. Many times he would have the ball and I would expect him to at least try to blow by the defender for a lay up.

He seemed timid with the ball in his hand. I don't know why he won't drive to the basket. But I would like to see him try a few times.
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Re: Continue to develop Avery as a PG
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2012, 07:11:01 PM »

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He's not a PG. He can handle the ball, but he's been successful the past few games off the ball allowing Pierce to really run the offense.

Re: Continue to develop Avery as a PG
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2012, 07:12:26 PM »

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AB reminds me a lot of TA; great on defense, but a huge liablity on offense.  Sure he can pester the opposing point guard, but if he's just going to take bad shots and not be able to run the offense it's kind of a wash.

Agreed. For however many times people wanna talk about his "infectious defense" I can show you a kid that is absolutely clueless at the offensive end.
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Re: Continue to develop Avery as a PG
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2012, 07:16:47 PM »

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AB reminds me a lot of TA; great on defense, but a huge liablity on offense.  Sure he can pester the opposing point guard, but if he's just going to take bad shots and not be able to run the offense it's kind of a wash.

Agreed. For however many times people wanna talk about his "infectious defense" I can show you a kid that is absolutely clueless at the offensive end.

what I see is someone who for some reason would rather take jumpers than drive to the hoop...look at his elite speed. he IS going to get past his man and get into the lane for a layup or foul.

he needs to slow down with those jumpers...he wasnt a bad offensive player in college..but you see the same thing from Moore/johnson...they are just going 100% energy and sometimes try to do too much on the offensive end rather than letting it come to them

Re: Continue to develop Avery as a PG
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2012, 07:20:56 PM »

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AB reminds me a lot of TA; great on defense, but a huge liablity on offense.  Sure he can pester the opposing point guard, but if he's just going to take bad shots and not be able to run the offense it's kind of a wash.
I don't consider it a wash because he is so good at his specialty. Do you want players average on everything? Are you as critical on all players who are offense only? Why do so many people give the players who are liabilities on defense a pass but not those who are liabilities on offense?

Remember Ben Wallace?

The bottom line is he can positively impact a game a lot more than many guys who are better on offense. We have other guys who can take care of the offense.

Re: Continue to develop Avery as a PG
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2012, 08:19:37 PM »

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AB reminds me a lot of TA; great on defense, but a huge liablity on offense.  Sure he can pester the opposing point guard, but if he's just going to take bad shots and not be able to run the offense it's kind of a wash.
I don't consider it a wash because he is so good at his specialty. Do you want players average on everything? Are you as critical on all players who are offense only? Why do so many people give the players who are liabilities on defense a pass but not those who are liabilities on offense?

Remember Ben Wallace?

Yup.  His good defense outweighs his mediocre offense . . . by a lot as far as I'm concerned.  It certainly did in last night's Orlando game.

The bottom line is he can positively impact a game a lot more than many guys who are better on offense. We have other guys who can take care of the offense.
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Re: Continue to develop Avery as a PG
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2012, 08:21:28 PM »

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He is no point guard but still so young.  He has earned a spot on the roster AND a good enough reason for resigning/extension.  I'd stick with him, he's affordable and WILL develop.  The tony comparison is a good one but TA had a better offensive game even if it was as cousy called it a 2 dribble drive offense.  Give Bradley time, get him confident in what he does well.  He has improved his defensive game already, he used to get lots of fouls and even the game prior to orlando he completely lost his man by hesitating.  Put him in a small ball defensive lineup with Rondo and watch rondo get him the ball on breaks.  Kid has hop and is fast, good things will happen.  I don't expect to see his jump shot this year at all, his offensive handle as a pg I don't think we'll see for 2-3 years.
Think of him more as a brian shaw combo guard but with great defense.

Re: Continue to develop Avery as a PG
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2012, 11:21:15 PM »

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AB reminds me a lot of TA; great on defense, but a huge liablity on offense.  Sure he can pester the opposing point guard, but if he's just going to take bad shots and not be able to run the offense it's kind of a wash.
I don't consider it a wash because he is so good at his specialty. Do you want players average on everything? Are you as critical on all players who are offense only? Why do so many people give the players who are liabilities on defense a pass but not those who are liabilities on offense?

Remember Ben Wallace?

The bottom line is he can positively impact a game a lot more than many guys who are better on offense. We have other guys who can take care of the offense.

Wallace could at least get offensive rebounds and shot a pretty decent percentage in his prime years; yes all dunks, tip ins, etc because he couldn't throw the ball into the ocean.  He didn't need to make many contributions on the offensive end for his team.

I can't name a single thing AB can do well on the offensive end.  He is below average in every single aspect.  The main problem is he is a PG and you can't just hide him on offensive.  If you want to stick him at the 2, our lineup lacks scoring punch. In all fairness he hasn't had much court time at the pro level; but if Keyon is healthy he doesn't get a chance.

Re: Continue to develop Avery as a PG
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2012, 01:38:11 AM »

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Bradley is more comfortable and more suited in an up-tempo style of play.. He's just learning to be a PG and play the half-court offense.. But like most young players, he'll only get better with more playing time..

Re: Continue to develop Avery as a PG
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2012, 03:13:19 AM »

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AB reminds me a lot of TA; great on defense, but a huge liablity on offense.  Sure he can pester the opposing point guard, but if he's just going to take bad shots and not be able to run the offense it's kind of a wash.
I don't consider it a wash because he is so good at his specialty. Do you want players average on everything? Are you as critical on all players who are offense only? Why do so many people give the players who are liabilities on defense a pass but not those who are liabilities on offense?

Remember Ben Wallace?

The bottom line is he can positively impact a game a lot more than many guys who are better on offense. We have other guys who can take care of the offense.

Wallace could at least get offensive rebounds and shot a pretty decent percentage in his prime years; yes all dunks, tip ins, etc because he couldn't throw the ball into the ocean.  He didn't need to make many contributions on the offensive end for his team.

I can't name a single thing AB can do well on the offensive end.  He is below average in every single aspect.  The main problem is he is a PG and you can't just hide him on offensive.  If you want to stick him at the 2, our lineup lacks scoring punch. In all fairness he hasn't had much court time at the pro level; but if Keyon is healthy he doesn't get a chance.
Bradley looks fine finishing when people throw it to him on the break.