Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16

[Casperian]

Part of what helps a player turn into a legitimate NBA player is playing time and positively reinforced development early on in their career.  To some extent, if you treat a player like a scrub early in their career, that's what they're going to be.

Gerald Green´s problem is not a lack of confidence. Orien Greene isn´t out of the league because of a lack of confidence.

Stiemsma is 26 and was cut before, JJJ and Moore were drafted late in a pretty weak draft. I think the rational answer why Doc doesn´t play them is simply because they´re not ready or a lack of talent.

[MF Doom]

Stiemsma can do one thing. Block shots. Probably shouldn't even be in th league.

and rebound, and hit that 10 footer consistantly...you saw that, and box out, and follow shots, and give a good pic so rondo can drive the lane......

So can a hundred other guys in the league. Face it, the guy is a bellow average player

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Well, you can say all you want..if you like docs style..so be it...I don't....and i think HE has a lot to do with why no one wants to come here.....steamer has always shown good things to me......also.....you see these other teams showing off their rookies that THEY drafted....who drafted these guys.....you draft them, you play them..or you die with old guys.....

i often wonder how it would be as a rookie in practice going up against these 5 starters..their ego's, the pecking order...there is POLTICS at every job.....

handing guys playing time just because you drafted them or because you think they have potential is not a good reason. All players in the NBA have talent. Guys should learn to work hard and earn playing time through hard work and consistency, not because they showed up to the gym.

i often wonder how it would be as a rookie in practice going up against these 5 starters..their ego's, the pecking order...there is POLTICS at every job.....
i would imagine they do more than just show up to the gym..but, as a coach..you get out what you put in.

[CelticSooner]

Seems like most NBA talking heads expect the C's to get it together eventually. Why is this? Living on past experiences or are they just naive.

[Casperian]

So you are saying Danny has been doing a bad job at GM???

No

[33_Larry Legend_33]

I believe the Celtics AND Doc are questioning the contract extension he received.  

Doc's refusal to let younger plays play when it's OBVIOUS this team needs a jolt, and only doing so in short bursts of time, is sickening to watch.  It's like I'm watching KC Jones run this team into the grave...

Doc simply cannot be this team's coach moving forward if the idea is retool next season...

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Stiemsma can do one thing. Block shots. Probably shouldn't even be in th league.

and rebound, and hit that 10 footer consistantly...you saw that, and box out, and follow shots, and give a good pic so rondo can drive the lane......

So can a hundred other guys in the league. Face it, the guy is a bellow average player

You are more than welcome to have your opinion. I have seen his game, in the LIMITED time he was out there. It is what i like to see from a player, the movement, the follow the play / ball till it is in the other teams  possesion....he has plenty to offer...he needs more time on the floor.

[Inside-Out]

Bass is 0/3.  Pierce the only player in double figures with 11 ugly ones.

Matter of time...

[PosImpos]

Part of what helps a player turn into a legitimate NBA player is playing time and positively reinforced development early on in their career.  To some extent, if you treat a player like a scrub early in their career, that's what they're going to be.

Gerald Green´s problem is not a lack of confidence. Orien Greene isn´t out of the league because of a lack of confidence.

Stiemsma is 26 and was cut before, JJJ and Moore were drafted late in a pretty weak draft. I think the rational answer why Doc doesn´t play them is simply because they´re not ready or a lack of talent.

Certainly there are players who have plenty confidence; however, their poor development could still be attributed to other factors, like the team not doing a great job in teaching them the right way to play.

You're right, though, that some players just aren't talented enough to make it in this league.  But when the team has been almost completely unable to turn any of the young players its drafted / acquired recently into rotation contributors, you have to wonder who that falls on.  Other teams are able to find contributors even late in the draft.

[Chief]

I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!

Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.

Breaking a rookies confidence is what Doc is known for.

Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Gomes, Allen, West.   Did I forget anyone?  He is not known for breaking a rookie's confidence.  He develops players with talent. 

It would have been hard not to play those rookies when everyone else on the team was either a rookie (or in their 2nd, 3rd year) or simply sucked with the exception of Pierce. Docs problem is that he rides the "big three" every game. That wouldn't be a problem if they were five years younger

Doc could still ride the Big Three. That does not mean he has to start all of them. If Pierce is out of shape, let him come off the bench. Let JO work against the 2nd string center. It's what Meadowlark was saying, this is Doc's job at managing roles. Dallas, OKC both have a formula for starting lesser players just to having a scoring punch off the bench.  It could work for the C's too, if Doc was willing to change and the vets were willing to check their egos at the door.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Seems like most NBA talking heads expect the C's to get it together eventually. Why is this? Living on past experiences or are they just naive.

Well, IF the Celts are as out of shape as they claim...then they will improve when they get in game shape.....

[Who]

Stiemsma can do one thing. Block shots. Probably shouldn't even be in th league.

and rebound, and hit that 10 footer consistantly...you saw that, and box out, and follow shots, and give a good pic so rondo can drive the lane......

So can a hundred other guys in the league. Face it, the guy is a bellow average player

You are more than welcome to have your opinion. I have seen his game, in the LIMITED time he was out there. It is what i like to see from a player, the movement, the follow the play / ball till it is in the other teams  possesion....he has plenty to offer...he needs more time on the floor.

I'd like to see more of Stiemsma. I think his performances have been pretty mixed so far but he has shown enough promise to deserve more court time.

[CelticSooner]

If that 18 foot jumper by Bass isn't falling he's invisible on the floor.

[Tgro]

Bass is 0/3.  Pierce the only player in double figures with 11 ugly ones.

Matter of time...

Feels close to being a good effort and little things keep rearing their ugly heads. I'm hoping we hang in there. I've seen a bit more in a losing effort so far. We just have to tighten up just a bit more.

I'm still optimistic about this game.  

[PosImpos]

JO doesn't look sturdy enough to keep taking charges.  He winces after every charge he takes.