overreaction..

[vinnie]

I have to ask this question: Why is it that the Celtics are the only team that is not in game shape? They appeared in game shape when they beat three of the worst teams in the league. I guess they are just not in game shape when they play teams that are better than they are. They will make the playoffs, but 6th through 8th seed is looking like reality, with a first round out. Cannot wait until the trade deadline to see what Danny does.

By the way, neither Dallas nor the Celtics are real contenders. Celts are likely to be 4-8 after 12 if Rose can play Friday night. And remember, they have more home games in January than in every other month.

boston clearly isnt the only team not in game shape....dallas isnt either...its clear from their record.

theres been some bad basketball played so far all across the league..and IMO it has to do with the short off-season...the athletic teams are definitely having a much better start

If the celtics are playing this bad a month from now, ill come back and eat my words..but if like I expect they pull their stuff together and start playing to their potential talent..ill be back to say that as well

But here is the real point. The Celtics have lost to every team they have played that has a pulse. They have beaten three of the worst teams in the NBA. So why are all of those other teams with a pulse in better shape than the Celtics? At this point there are 10-15 teams in the league better than the Celtics. Time for the excuses to end -- even Doc has said this.

[SHAQATTACK]

I have to ask this question: Why is it that the Celtics are the only team that is not in game shape? They appeared in game shape when they beat three of the worst teams in the league. I guess they are just not in game shape when they play teams that are better than they are. They will make the playoffs, but 6th through 8th seed is looking like reality, with a first round out. Cannot wait until the trade deadline to see what Danny does.

By the way, neither Dallas nor the Celtics are real contenders. Celts are likely to be 4-8 after 12 if Rose can play Friday night. And remember, they have more home games in January than in every other month.

boston clearly isnt the only team not in game shape....dallas isnt either...its clear from their record.

theres been some bad basketball played so far all across the league..and IMO it has to do with the short off-season...the athletic teams are definitely having a much better start

If the celtics are playing this bad a month from now, ill come back and eat my words..but if like I expect they pull their stuff together and start playing to their potential talent..ill be back to say that as well

I just don't see this at all...if they were 28 years old ,yes they could fight their way back  ....they had every chance to prove something this game , all the advantages or rest , home , ect and they still stunk. They oldies are as in good as shape as they are going to be for their ages. Ray looks great and could still be a asset as a clutch shooter off the bench.

If anything PP, KG and JO will be dang lucky to even play the remaining season without injuries, much less play themselves back into contention....I hope for their sake they retire before they get hurt .  Griffen , and Bynum , DH and so on is going to hurt our guys,  most of them can get out of the way of danger slow as they are moving.

Portland, OKC, LA will absolutely  destroy the Celtics.  we will be lucky if any of them are able to play and not in the hospital after that game.

[cman88]

I have to ask this question: Why is it that the Celtics are the only team that is not in game shape? They appeared in game shape when they beat three of the worst teams in the league. I guess they are just not in game shape when they play teams that are better than they are. They will make the playoffs, but 6th through 8th seed is looking like reality, with a first round out. Cannot wait until the trade deadline to see what Danny does.

By the way, neither Dallas nor the Celtics are real contenders. Celts are likely to be 4-8 after 12 if Rose can play Friday night. And remember, they have more home games in January than in every other month.

boston clearly isnt the only team not in game shape....dallas isnt either...its clear from their record.

theres been some bad basketball played so far all across the league..and IMO it has to do with the short off-season...the athletic teams are definitely having a much better start

If the celtics are playing this bad a month from now, ill come back and eat my words..but if like I expect they pull their stuff together and start playing to their potential talent..ill be back to say that as well

what if it takes them another month to really round into form and at that point they're 5+ games below .500 with a little over half the season left to go?

like I said, if thats the case Ill clearly admit I was wrong..but we'll cross that bridge when it comes.

we get it Pos, you think the celts are done and should blow it up...but theres no need to beat it into everyones heads until they agree with you..

[Marcus13]

No overreacting here.  We Will be a 5-8 seed and we will continue to play like one.  We have no depth whatsoever and our superstars our just that...OUR Superstars. 

[lightspeed5]

boston clearly isnt the only team not in game shape....dallas isnt either...its clear from their record.

theres been some bad basketball played so far all across the league..and IMO it has to do with the short off-season...the athletic teams are definitely having a much better start

If the celtics are playing this bad a month from now, ill come back and eat my words..but if like I expect they pull their stuff together and start playing to their potential talent..ill be back to say that as well

I just don't see this at all...if they were 28 years old ,yes they could fight their way back  ....they had every chance to prove something this game , all the advantages or rest , home , ect and they still stunk. They oldies are as in good as shape as they are going to be for their ages. Ray looks great and could still be a asset as a clutch shooter off the bench.

If anything PP, KG and JO will be dang lucky to even play the remaining season without injuries, much less play themselves back into contention....I hope for their sake they retire before they get hurt .  Griffen , and Bynum , DH and so on is going to hurt our guys,  most of them can get out of the way of danger slow as they are moving.

Portland, OKC, LA will absolutely  destroy the Celtics.  we will be lucky if any of them are able to play and not in the hospital after that game.

retire before they get hurt?

you are one competitive person aren't you.

[mcshane41]

Over-reaction? Eh, like Doc's says you are what your record says you are. Right now we are a sub .500 team and look the part.

We could turn it around. Pieces are there, our shooters can still shoot our bench could jell..

..Or this funk may last too long for us to dig out of it. We'll see.

[PosImpos]

I have to ask this question: Why is it that the Celtics are the only team that is not in game shape? They appeared in game shape when they beat three of the worst teams in the league. I guess they are just not in game shape when they play teams that are better than they are. They will make the playoffs, but 6th through 8th seed is looking like reality, with a first round out. Cannot wait until the trade deadline to see what Danny does.

By the way, neither Dallas nor the Celtics are real contenders. Celts are likely to be 4-8 after 12 if Rose can play Friday night. And remember, they have more home games in January than in every other month.

boston clearly isnt the only team not in game shape....dallas isnt either...its clear from their record.

theres been some bad basketball played so far all across the league..and IMO it has to do with the short off-season...the athletic teams are definitely having a much better start

If the celtics are playing this bad a month from now, ill come back and eat my words..but if like I expect they pull their stuff together and start playing to their potential talent..ill be back to say that as well

But here is the real point. The Celtics have lost to every team they have played that has a pulse. They have beaten three of the worst teams in the NBA. So why are all of those other teams with a pulse in better shape than the Celtics? At this point there are 10-15 teams in the league better than the Celtics. Time for the excuses to end -- even Doc has said this.

Yep.  You are who you are.

[SHAQATTACK]

boston clearly isnt the only team not in game shape....dallas isnt either...its clear from their record.

theres been some bad basketball played so far all across the league..and IMO it has to do with the short off-season...the athletic teams are definitely having a much better start

If the celtics are playing this bad a month from now, ill come back and eat my words..but if like I expect they pull their stuff together and start playing to their potential talent..ill be back to say that as well

I just don't see this at all...if they were 28 years old ,yes they could fight their way back  ....they had every chance to prove something this game , all the advantages or rest , home , ect and they still stunk. They oldies are as in good as shape as they are going to be for their ages. Ray looks great and could still be a asset as a clutch shooter off the bench.

If anything PP, KG and JO will be dang lucky to even play the remaining season without injuries, much less play themselves back into contention....I hope for their sake they retire before they get hurt .  Griffen , and Bynum , DH and so on is going to hurt our guys,  most of them can get out of the way of danger slow as they are moving.

Portland, OKC, LA will absolutely  destroy the Celtics.  we will be lucky if any of them are able to play and not in the hospital after that game.

retire before they get hurt?

you are one competitive person aren't you.

Thats what I said...

[ManUp]

I never had high hopes for this team. On paper what I saw was a 3rd/4th seed with a probable second round exit with a champion ship being a miracle. That 4th seed looks like a real stretch right now. It doesn't help that the East has started to strengthen at the bottom with young up and coming teams like the Pacers and Sixers.

Saying that this team might end up being an 8th seed isn't all that crazy If you look at the east standings right now. The top 2 teams in the east aren't changing and the next 5 are full of young guys who aren't going to be worrying about conditioning and how grueling the shortened season is. We barely made it through the last few 82 game seasons, the back to backs this year are going to be absolute torture.

The season has just started and our guys are looking tired what will we look like in April and May? My guess probably not as fresh as the Sixers, Pacers, and Hawks.

[JohnBagleyValueMeal]

It's an overreaction to say the Celtics aren't going to make the playoffs. Even if they start 4-8, there's still 54 more games after that. And in case nobody noticed, the East sucks. These young teams will go on runs, but they'll also have slumps. I don't believe the Sixers are going to the league darlings all year. Atlanta too.

It's not an overreaction to say this isn't a championship team. It's probably not even a conference semifinalist. It's too bad, as this team might have been a dynasty if KG didn't blow out that knee. The window was pretty close to shut after the injuries to Perk and Sheed in the finals. It closed after the injuries/deals last season. And it locked shut after Jeff Green's physical. But honestly, once the Heat got together and Thibs taught the Bulls to play D, the C's days were numbered.

Some people flip out, demand ridiculous trades, and call for every rookie and d-leaguer. Me, I just think it's part of the cycle of things. I'm going to enjoy watching some of my all-time favorite Celts  finish out their years, then I'm going to start judging Danny's rebuilding project.

Who knows, maybe we'll get another great Cs-Pacers playoff series like the last time we had an aging, post-championship window team:  That was one of my favorites: http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/bird_person_game5.html

[vinnie]

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Great post

[Celticjay]

Problem as I see it is we don't have any one who can dominate anymore.  2008-2009 KG, Pierce could dominate at times and they always dominated defensively. 

Now they really need to play perfect against decent teams to win.  Our margin for error is gone.  The don't win if they shoot bad, on an off night they get beaten easily, case in point the INDY game.  This team has ZERO chance to make it past the 2nd round.  ZERO chance.  I love what the big 3 brought back to Boston, but when they came we all knew it was a 3-4 year window.  We're on Year 5.  If Green played and we got another talented young stud we could have dreamed of something more.  In the end I think this team is starting to slide quickly.  They are all trying they just aren't superstars anymore, they are just better than average players now.  Allen is playing great but he can't create his own shot.  KG is below average down low this year and Pierce is out of shape. 

Best case scenario is the 2nd round.  Absolute best, but who really wants to see that.  It will be painful to watch these guys flame out.  I think we give it another month or so and then just blow it up if it brings any big pieces.  I can't go through another period like 1990-2000 again.  It was just awful.  We need to get some young assets. 

If we build a team of young athletes that can run Rondo would be in his element.  We could at least have a fun brand of basketball during the transition.  I say bring in a Josh Smith type and pair him with Rondo, Green and Bass.  Green is crazy fast as is Smith. 

Love the big 3 but the writing is on the wall. 

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not.

[bopna]

Problem as I see it is we don't have any one who can dominate anymore.  2008-2009 KG, Pierce could dominate at times and they always dominated defensively. 

Now they really need to play perfect against decent teams to win.  Our margin for error is gone.  The don't win if they shoot bad, on an off night they get beaten easily, case in point the INDY game.  This team has ZERO chance to make it past the 2nd round.  ZERO chance.  I love what the big 3 brought back to Boston, but when they came we all knew it was a 3-4 year window.  We're on Year 5.  If Green played and we got another talented young stud we could have dreamed of something more.  In the end I think this team is starting to slide quickly.  They are all trying they just aren't superstars anymore, they are just better than average players now.  Allen is playing great but he can't create his own shot.  KG is below average down low this year and Pierce is out of shape. 

Best case scenario is the 2nd round.  Absolute best, but who really wants to see that.  It will be painful to watch these guys flame out.  I think we give it another month or so and then just blow it up if it brings any big pieces.  I can't go through another period like 1990-2000 again.  It was just awful.  We need to get some young assets. 

If we build a team of young athletes that can run Rondo would be in his element.  We could at least have a fun brand of basketball during the transition.  I say bring in a Josh Smith type and pair him with Rondo, Green and Bass.  Green is crazy fast as is Smith. 

Love the big 3 but the writing is on the wall. 

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not.

Im with you bro... In fact, there is even a worst case scenario of not heading to the playoffs.

they are playing .500 at the moment and at best 7th or 8th seed which means meeting the cHeat in the first round...Ain't gonna be a good ending with that scenario!

[Celtics4ever]

I saw some signs of improvement last night.   We still look out of shape to me.   But our old guys are a little older and it shows on any one not named Ray though he looked human last night.

[Jeff]

I'm very concerned right now, but willing to wait another couple weeks before I pronounce any personal judgments - but that's just me