Green's qualifying offer withdrawn.. He is a UFA Sigh... Good for him I guess

[twinbree]

My thought is that people don't like to move around all over the place when they're in a pretty good situation as-is.  

So there's a home court advantage with UFA's, I think, especially like Bass and Green, and either might get $5-8M per year.

Rondo  11M
Pierce 16M
JGreen  6M
Bass  8M
Bradley 2M
JJJ  1M
Steimer 5M
EMoore  0.5M
Ray  5M
KG  10M
TOTAL:  $64.5M

Can we milk it a couple more years?

No we cannot. I cannot imagine Stiemsma playing his way to a 5m contract this season. If Bass opts out I don't want to give him a bigger contract. Green is coming off heart surgery so I wouldn't give him 6m. Ray I'd understand giving 5m and KG at this point I would not give 10m. If both KG and Ray want to come back they have to give us nice discounts so we can build a good team.

The cap space we'll be getting is one of the best parts of this season for me. I will be quite angry if it is not used wisely. I'd much rather spend the next season crappy and under the cap than mediocre with no flexibility.

[tyrone biggums]

So we basically traded away Perk and Nate for nothing, and now we're headed in the same direction with Bass. So at the end of this season it's Perk + Nate + Fat Baby for nothing! Honestly, it's getting close this season, but next season I don't think we'll make the playoffs. Our best chance to get another ring was in 2010, we blew it, and now we can wait for the doom to come for us.

Yep, because the Celtics could have controlled Perk getting hurt in Game 6...Seriously, I know its very easy to overreact but would you have wanted to give Big Baby that contract? Would you like to be a rebuilding team that is paying a defensive minded center with little offense 9 million? Nate was so valuable that the Thunder bought him out.

[TripleOT]

So we basically traded away Perk and Nate for nothing, and now we're headed in the same direction with Bass. So at the end of this season it's Perk + Nate + Fat Baby for nothing! Honestly, it's getting close this season, but next season I don't think we'll make the playoffs. Our best chance to get another ring was in 2010, we blew it, and now we can wait for the doom to come for us.

Yep, because the Celtics could have controlled Perk getting hurt in Game 6...Seriously, I know its very easy to overreact but would you have wanted to give Big Baby that contract? Would you like to be a rebuilding team that is paying a defensive minded center with little offense 9 million? Nate was so valuable that the Thunder bought him out.

Perk's deal is $8m per for four years and yes I would have paid him that. Here's what centers on the last few championship teams made.   

2011 Mavs $19m in center payroll
2010 Lakers $12.5m Bynum
2009 Lakers Bynum on last year of rookie pay
2008 Celtics Perkins $4.5m
2007 Spurs Duncan $17.5m
2006 Heat Shaq $20m
2005 Spurs Duncan $14m

If Perk was on the market there would be plenty of suitors for him at $8m per. Put him on the Heat and they steamroll to multiple championships.  His contributions to a basketball team don't jump out to you on a stat sheet, but the defensive presence, toughness, lane mucking ability, pick setting, etc is the kind of stuff superstars need teammates to do, and Perk does that stuff exceedingly well.

I expect Perk to get at least one ring in OKC, and when it happens, ask their fans if the 48m per was well spent.   

[Tgro]

People need to relax.

It was a bad game.

Every team has a few of them each season.

Get over it.

This team still isn't fully healthy yet and when it is and we get on a roll it's still a Championship caliber team.

No-one would be worried if it were "a few", but in our case half of the games are bad.

3 out of 4 of those "bad" games Pierce was on the sidelines in a suit and the 1 he was in, he went 3-17. At full strength, I wouldn't expect us to lose half our games.

[greenpride32]

I don't quite understand the rules on this situation; so the only way we could have kept restricted FA rights on Green was to pay in the $9m salary this year to sit out?  If that was the case it was the only sensible thing to do was to let him go.

[dmny5000]

My thought is that people don't like to move around all over the place when they're in a pretty good situation as-is. 

So there's a home court advantage with UFA's, I think, especially like Bass and Green, and either might get $5-8M per year.

Rondo  11M
Pierce 16M
JGreen  6M
Bass  8M
Bradley 2M
JJJ  1M
Steimer 5M
EMoore  0.5M
Ray  5M
KG  10M
TOTAL:  $64.5M

Can we milk it a couple more years?

KG 10M?
Stiemsma 5M?

Joe Dumars is that you?

He's my brother.

Seriously, though, if Rondo is such a great PG, can he elevate the level of talent around him with a solid 9-man rotation to contend for a championship for two more seasons with that lineup?  Add another $3M MMLE signing, too?

Could this group steal one this year with the extra punch of Dooling, Daniels, JO, and Wilcox, and one of the next two at least make the Finals or ECF?

I think the matchups look good with PP/JG starting, Ray off the bench at 2, with either Bradley or Moore getting 8 min. next season.

KG and Bass continue to split the 4 fairly evenly, and together at the end.  J3 is available as well to fill in, or if KG plays even more stints at C.

Steimer starts at C next season, plays 24 minutes, backed up by KG for 10 and a MMLE player for 14 (Wilcox role).

Steal someone to backup Rondo, have 2 1st rounders to develop or trade, and make a run for 2 more years.

Not a bad Plan B.

The main issue is that KG might retire. The other issue is that you're too high on Stiemsma. If he's your starting C then you're a very bad team. He can block shots but he looks sloppy doing most other things. He gets lost on defense a lot and on offense his picks are mostly pretty bad. He tries to roll before he picks the guy almost every time.

The way the Celtics are looking so far it's clear that they've lost quite a bit. They might be able to make it happen one last year here but it's clear that this is gonna be it.

As for Green I think he's going to resign with Boston. After his surgery he's going to be staying in Boston so I'm guessing with all the support from the organization he'll stay.

As a side note if Danny gives KG 10 mill next year I will throw up. He's still got something left but not 10 mil. I like him a lot at 5 but he'll probably get 7.

[Inside-Out]

My thought is that people don't like to move around all over the place when they're in a pretty good situation as-is. 

So there's a home court advantage with UFA's, I think, especially like Bass and Green, and either might get $5-8M per year.

Rondo  11M
Pierce 16M
JGreen  6M
Bass  8M
Bradley 2M
JJJ  1M
Steimer 5M
EMoore  0.5M
Ray  5M
KG  10M
TOTAL:  $64.5M

Can we milk it a couple more years?

KG 10M?
Stiemsma 5M?

Joe Dumars is that you?

He's my brother.

Seriously, though, if Rondo is such a great PG, can he elevate the level of talent around him with a solid 9-man rotation to contend for a championship for two more seasons with that lineup?  Add another $3M MMLE signing, too?

Could this group steal one this year with the extra punch of Dooling, Daniels, JO, and Wilcox, and one of the next two at least make the Finals or ECF?

I think the matchups look good with PP/JG starting, Ray off the bench at 2, with either Bradley or Moore getting 8 min. next season.

KG and Bass continue to split the 4 fairly evenly, and together at the end.  J3 is available as well to fill in, or if KG plays even more stints at C.

Steimer starts at C next season, plays 24 minutes, backed up by KG for 10 and a MMLE player for 14 (Wilcox role).

Steal someone to backup Rondo, have 2 1st rounders to develop or trade, and make a run for 2 more years.

Not a bad Plan B.

The main issue is that KG might retire. The other issue is that you're too high on Stiemsma. If he's your starting C then you're a very bad team. He can block shots but he looks sloppy doing most other things. He gets lost on defense a lot and on offense his picks are mostly pretty bad. He tries to roll before he picks the guy almost every time.

The way the Celtics are looking so far it's clear that they've lost quite a bit. They might be able to make it happen one last year here but it's clear that this is gonna be it.

As for Green I think he's going to resign with Boston. After his surgery he's going to be staying in Boston so I'm guessing with all the support from the organization he'll stay.

As a side note if Danny gives KG 10 mill next year I will throw up. He's still got something left but not 10 mil. I like him a lot at 5 but he'll probably get 7.

I agree with all of this.  Unfortunately, I could see Danny trying to ride it out another year if he strikes out in FA, rather than do something questionable with big money.

So...Perhaps Kaman on a 2 year deal starting at $10M, 3rd team option, along with short money signings of Ray and KG to all expire with Pierce, while locking in Bass and JGreen as well?  Mixing up the lineup a bit:

Rondo/vet.min.
Pierce/Ray/Bradley/Moore
Green/Pierce/2012 1st
Bass/KG/J3
Kaman/Steimsma/2012 1st

[kozlodoev]

The whole "elevating talent" bit has never worked consistently for Rondo. I'm skeptical.

[hpantazo]

Im glad he hopefully wont be back in Boston...but wow, what a god-awful trade to ruin our chance at a championship last year for literally NOTHING

a 1st round pick in a super deep draft is not nothing. Perk was leaving at the end of the season and had not recovered enough from surgery to help us in the playoffs

[kozlodoev]

Im glad he hopefully wont be back in Boston...but wow, what a god-awful trade to ruin our chance at a championship last year for literally NOTHING

Whoever thinks than a one-legged Perkins gave us a chance to win a championship last year is sorely mistaken.

[hpantazo]

Im glad he hopefully wont be back in Boston...but wow, what a god-awful trade to ruin our chance at a championship last year for literally NOTHING

Whoever thinks than a one-legged Perkins gave us a chance to win a championship last year is sorely mistaken.

I agree. Didn't people watch Perk on the thunder during those playoffs? He was nowhere near 100% and hurt them.

[Celtics4ever]

Well, since his peak RPG season avg is only 8.1 and his career avg is only 6.1, AND he's still not playing 30 minutes/gm, I'd have to say he quite possibly IS the same player.

****, His RPG are down this year.   He career average was low because he didn't get playing time initially.   Look at least year he RPG were over 8.  Players have something called a prime, it's the window of the best period in their career.    When you go down from 8.1 RPG to 5.3 RPG that is a decline.

[LooseCannon]

I agree with all of this.  Unfortunately, I could see Danny trying to ride it out another year if he strikes out in FA, rather than do something questionable with big money.

Trying to ride it out another year without making any long-term commitments is much better than doing something questionable with big money.

[Chris]

While on the surface, this is not great news, when you get into it, it makes sense for both sides.

For the C's, the qualifying offer under the new CBA would have been a large sum for a team that is looking at a lot of cap space and looking for stars to pair with Rondo and Pierce.  Considering Green's condition, it would have been a lot of money to have on the table for him. 

For Green, being a RFA was going to dramatically affect his ability to get a contract elsewhere, since qualifying offers need to be at least 2 years before any option years, and given his condition, my guess is that no teams would even talk with him, and he would basically be a slave to whatever the C's wanted to do. 

More than anything though, this was an act of good faith between a GM and a super agent (Falk is one of the biggest names out there).  Without the restricted status, Falk is able to at least look elsewhere, particularly if the C's decide to use their cap space on bigger fish.  However, because of this act of good will (after a very unfortunate situation), Falk will feel obliged to bring any offers back to Danny to try to match in an unofficial manner (or to work on a sign and trade, if they want to go that route)...and it also keeps the relationship strong for future clients.

[Tone]

either way the green trade was terrible and for nothing now which makes no sense he probably wont be resigned