Ray wants multi-year extension with C's

[Kiorrik]

Players shouldn't be eligible for multi-year deals past the age of 35.

One year maximum length contracts.

Fair enough, but let's make an exception to that rule and call it "the Ray exception".

[ManUp]

I think 2 years at $5 mil per year would be suitable

Yikes.  Sure, he might be worth it, but at who's expense?  Those FA's we think are walking through that door?

Not wise to tie up money in an aging complementary player, even a smooth one like Ray.

I don't think that's true at all.  We can argue over the price but everyone would love to play with a guy like Ray Allen as long as the dollar amount is reasonable.  You don't think Miami has been trying to get him away from us for example?

Sure they (and the Knicks) would like Ray, lots of teams would, but the price is a pretty important factor these days.

If Ray will take Eddie House money, sure.  That's either a minimum deal or a fraction of the MLE, not $5M per for multiple years.  And I think 2 years is being generous.

Let's keep in mind what it takes to get Ray those high % and points totals:  a total team committment to get him open (triple staggered screens, Rondo passing - that's the whole team working to get Ray a 20+ft jumper).  It's not like he's getting those 20pts on his own.  The stats are a bit of a mirage.

This is stupid.  If anything, Ray is putting up those percentages DESPITE playing without a point guard who is able to get him the ball when he is open.  Ray's efficiency would be off the charts higher if he was playing for an offense that actually looked for his shots.

Not sure if this is a joke or not?
If it's not a joke- I am completely flabbergasted and you either hate Rondo or don't watch any play off the ball.

If you're joking then, yes I took the bait. Very funny.

TP.

Ray continues to be one of the greatest shooters the league has ever seen. With that said, the rest of his offense is pretty suspect. His ability to create his own shot with his ball handling has greatly diminished. Ray has decent North to south dribble, but unless he's being chased off the shot by an off balance defender he's not creating much of anything for himself or others. His first step is pretty weak and he looks slow in general when driving the ball against a defender. The further away from the basket he is while handling the ball the more nervous I get (he is very susceptible to traps which result in turnovers). I think some fans underestimate how much Ray needs the help of his teammates and Doc's offense to set him up.

[Kuberski33]

Hate to break it to you but if I'm Ray I'm thinking I'll be able to get $6 mill or so per year for 3 years.  Offensively he's as good as ever and has a Reggie Miller like game which will keep him productive till he's 40.  The slippage is on defense.

With the right pieces around him, he's worth that much to the Celtics.  I agree with waiting till you see what the team's going to look like first because he won't be worth that kind of money on a team that's not positioned contend.

But no way we're getting him for $2 or $3 mill a year....

[2dark]

I think some fans underestimate how much Ray needs the help of his teammates and Doc's offense to set him up.

I agree to a degree, but what some people here don't realize is how much spacing he provides fot the team. Roughly 60% of Cs uncontested layups always come up with defenders making mistake by getting at Ray with both big man and the 2 guard when he curls from the screens. That stats are "mirage" as well:)

We love Cs cause they re family, and they devide the load, you can't just take out Ray and say he is good cause of his teammates, its always the same when this kind of talk gets on...
Rondo is not good, he is there only cause big 3 makes it easy, ray depends on off schemes and screens, etc.
They're team, and acting like it. IMHO only important thing is does player fit into system or not, and Ray does.

[Kiorrik]

Hate to break it to you but if I'm Ray I'm thinking I'll be able to get $6 mill or so per year for 3 years.  Offensively he's as good as ever and has a Reggie Miller like game which will keep him productive till he's 40.  The slippage is on defense.

With the right pieces around him, he's worth that much to the Celtics.  I agree with waiting till you see what the team's going to look like first because he won't be worth that kind of money on a team that's not positioned contend.

But no way we're getting him for $2 or $3 mill a year....

I'd sign him for 6 mil a year. Seriously.

The guy's a legend, and I'd love for him to retire in green.

Oh, and his scoring is getting *better* each year. I mean, what more do you want? He's great at what he does, if not the best.

[SHAQATTACK]

Tonights game remined me of how much we'd miss Ray , and especially against a quality team.

We still need his shooting .  

[Kiorrik]

Tonights game remined me of how much we'd miss Ray , and especially against a quality team.

We still need his shooting . 

20-ish points is pretty neat though. Missed him, didn't need him.

[cman88]

Players shouldn't be eligible for multi-year deals past the age of 35.

One year maximum length contracts.

Fair enough, but let's make an exception to that rule and call it "the Ray exception".

ya, Ray is not the average 35year old shooting guard.

[MBz]

I think you need to sign him to keep him away from other contenders.  He's at a point in his career where he's only going to go to contenders and you better believe Miami, Chicago, LA, New York, etc would all love to him.  I'd give him two years in a heartbeat as long as the money is reasonable.  He's definitely a starting off guard in the league still.  Ray Allen has never been the problem on this team, that's always been inside play.

[Lord of Mikawa]

I think you need to sign him to keep him away from other contenders.  He's at a point in his career where he's only going to go to contenders and you better believe Miami, Chicago, LA, New York, etc would all love to him.  I'd give him two years in a heartbeat as long as the money is reasonable.  He's definitely a starting off guard in the league still.  Ray Allen has never been the problem on this team, that's always been inside play.

TP. I don't want RA anywhere but Boston.

[BASS_THUMPER]

and when ray is done

he gets a gold hoverround

[Mike-Dub]

Wouldn't mind Ray for two more years cheap.

[Mike-Dub]

Players shouldn't be eligible for multi-year deals past the age of 35.

One year maximum length contracts.

Don't agree with this at all... u should get deals based on how the market views ur game... If ur over 35 abd good enough to deserve a multi year deal u should be eligible for a multi year deal.

[Zev Love X]

I think 2 years at $5 mil per year would be suitable

Yikes.  Sure, he might be worth it, but at who's expense?  Those FA's we think are walking through that door?

Not wise to tie up money in an aging complementary player, even a smooth one like Ray.

I don't think that's true at all.  We can argue over the price but everyone would love to play with a guy like Ray Allen as long as the dollar amount is reasonable.  You don't think Miami has been trying to get him away from us for example?

Sure they (and the Knicks) would like Ray, lots of teams would, but the price is a pretty important factor these days.

If Ray will take Eddie House money, sure.  That's either a minimum deal or a fraction of the MLE, not $5M per for multiple years.  And I think 2 years is being generous.

Let's keep in mind what it takes to get Ray those high % and points totals:  a total team committment to get him open (triple staggered screens, Rondo passing - that's the whole team working to get Ray a 20+ft jumper).  It's not like he's getting those 20pts on his own.  The stats are a bit of a mirage.

This is stupid.  If anything, Ray is putting up those percentages DESPITE playing without a point guard who is able to get him the ball when he is open.  Ray's efficiency would be off the charts higher if he was playing for an offense that actually looked for his shots.

I can't...I don't even...

[jdub1660]

3 years at 10mil with production bonuses

IMO, its a fair contract that lets him ride out his career here like Reggie did with Indy while not over/underpaying him.
Yes other teams could toss him 1 year max deals but this keep him in the league and with the right team.
KG too should sign a similar deal and work their way into backup roles.

If Danny Ainge tried signed Ray Allen to a $30 million dollar deal ($10 million per anum) he should be fired on the spot.

I'd be unhappy with 10 million over three years even.

Thats how I meant it. Roughly 3.3 mil per year with bonus incentives if we make the playoffs or he plays at least 60games etc