Ray wants multi-year extension with C's

[pearljammer10]

I would love to have Ray stick around but it would definitely have to be at the right price... We need to see what else is available to us on the market before giving Ray some big money that might cash strap us from rebuilding with a solid, young, big man.

[CelticG1]

If our goal is winning another championship, then it's only worth retaining Ray Allen if we've signed another big-time player who makes us a contender over the next two years. Given our lack of success this past summer on that front, that seems like an unlikely outcome.

So, renounce him or move him in a sign-and-trade.

This along with the decision regarding KG is going to be Danny's biggest test of the "no loyalty theory" he has mentioned regarding the early 1990s Celtics teams.

I've heard interviews from ainge recently completely backtracking from comments like those. He was saying how this NBA is different than it was then. A lot harder to get value and assets visa trades or FA signings. Stars dictating where they go etc.

I think hes at least leaving the door open of the possibility of resigning kg and ray and I dont blame.him. Id rather do that and stay relevant than sign over pay for mid tier guys that aren't going to take us anywhere anyway

[Eja117]

Ray says he wants to stay. Gotta offer him at least back up money. I highly doubt Ray is putting this out there cause he wants lots of money

[GreenFaith1819]

Danny - please:

Get.

It.

Done.

Please give Ray Allen this extension, for 2-3 years.

I've seen anywhere in the thread from 5-10 mil for that period. I'd be happy with that. He's a class act and keeps himself in great shape.

I'd love to see him (and KG) retire in Green along with Paul. I think Danny could do this without crippling us financially.

[Anomandaris]

If Boston can find a big FA this offseason, then Ray is a nice addional piece to have on the team to contend.

If Boston fails to sign any significant big name FA, then resigning Ray to a short reasonable deal ( 1 year with second year player option) is still a good option.  In this scenario, Ainge can still use Ray as a trade piece for contending teams & get some value in return.  You know Danny, all about attaining assets.

Ainge is not going to sign Allen for a longer deal, he wants to built a contender & keep cap flexibility for as long as the team is not contending.

thinking about 4-6 mio ( per year), 2 year deal, second year player option

[2short]

 
might be worth it to keep him around just as rondo's free throw shooting coach

[Anomandaris]

might be worth it to keep him around just as rondo's free throw shooting coach

He would excel in a PR or media function as well..class class class

[kozlodoev]

might be worth it to keep him around just as rondo's free throw shooting coach

He would excel in a PR or media function as well..class class class

Maybe you wouldn't believe it, but trained PR/media professionals are superior in these roles than even the most personable NBA players.

[byennie]

All of this reaffirms the point:  Ray Allen, while a good defender and player generally, is mostly a one-trick pony, and the entire team works like heck to get him an opportunity to show off his trick.  He's better at it than anyone else, and surely is valuable, but he can pretty much only kill you with jumpers these days.

And Eddie House initially came here for about half the MLE (split with Posey, if memory serves).  Ray's getting to that point, and it's in line with what others here are suggesting.

The thing is, and this is the main point: a complementary player's value depends on the construction of the team.  Ray can put a team over the top, but can't get a team anywhere near the top.  He won't be the top priority this offseason, or even close.  I'd put more energy into resigning Bass than Ray at this point (and pay him more, too), though neither would be my first call of free agency.

How is a "good defender and player generally" who also happens to be arguably the greatest shooter of All-Time a one trick pony? Ray may not be an All-Star, but we're talking:

* Elite shooter, as good as ever
* Adequate defender (better than a lot of "young scorers" in this league)
* Excellent teammate, excellent health (still good for 80 games and 30+ MPG).
* Decent handle & passing ability

Sure he doesn't create a lot of shots, but he's still a top-10 shooting guard in the league. Who's better? Kobe, Wade, maybe Ginobili or Harden or Joe Johnson? IMO he's still a better overall player than guys like Kevin Martin, Ben Gordon, Jamal Crawford, Nick Young, etc.

Age is a factor here, but Ray Allen is no Eddie House, not even close.

[Greenbean]

might be worth it to keep him around just as rondo's free throw shooting coach

He would excel in a PR or media function as well..class class class

Maybe you wouldn't believe it, but trained PR/media professionals are superior in these roles than even the most personable NBA players.

You are probably right but if Ray Allen wants to be good at something, he will practice it until he is good at it.

Have you heard about his golf game?

[Snakehead]

All of this reaffirms the point:  Ray Allen, while a good defender and player generally, is mostly a one-trick pony, and the entire team works like heck to get him an opportunity to show off his trick.  He's better at it than anyone else, and surely is valuable, but he can pretty much only kill you with jumpers these days.

And Eddie House initially came here for about half the MLE (split with Posey, if memory serves).  Ray's getting to that point, and it's in line with what others here are suggesting.

The thing is, and this is the main point: a complementary player's value depends on the construction of the team.  Ray can put a team over the top, but can't get a team anywhere near the top.  He won't be the top priority this offseason, or even close.  I'd put more energy into resigning Bass than Ray at this point (and pay him more, too), though neither would be my first call of free agency.

How is a "good defender and player generally" who also happens to be arguably the greatest shooter of All-Time a one trick pony? Ray may not be an All-Star, but we're talking:

* Elite shooter, as good as ever
* Adequate defender (better than a lot of "young scorers" in this league)
* Excellent teammate, excellent health (still good for 80 games and 30+ MPG).
* Decent handle & passing ability

Sure he doesn't create a lot of shots, but he's still a top-10 shooting guard in the league. Who's better? Kobe, Wade, maybe Ginobili or Harden or Joe Johnson? IMO he's still a better overall player than guys like Kevin Martin, Ben Gordon, Jamal Crawford, Nick Young, etc.

Age is a factor here, but Ray Allen is no Eddie House, not even close.

TP.  Can't believe some are knocking Ray like this.

I think 3 years for $10 mill would be awesome.  I'd rather do that amount on one year deals to be safe but either way you are getting a deal on the court and a leader in the lockeroom.  I don't see what it has to do with our new direction either, why wouldn't Ray be great there too?  He would be an outstanding sixth man.

And you didn't even mention here that there is no other guy you'd rather kick it to for the clutch jumper.

I understand the apprehension about age, but if you look at guys like Grant Hill still playing I think we are entering an era of the NBA where guys can hold up longer.


EDIT: Also, to add another point, the SG position across the league is not particularly strong.  You have two franchise guys but they're over 30 (Wade and Kobe), Ginobili who is not leaving the Spurs and also over 30, two up and coming guys I consider locks for All-Stars down the road (Gordon and Harden) and then steps down from there, some high level talents but all have issues.  I think Ray for the money makes sense, and if we do happen to get a younger player who is better or has potential to be as I said Ray can come off the bench even if he isn't going to start.

[winsomme]

There have been questions about the Celtics this season, and there will continue to be up and into the playoffs.

But not about Ray Allen. At age 36 he is averaging 20 points per game, shooting 61.1 percent from three and 56.5 percent overall (up from a still good 49.1 percent last year). It’s only six games, but his PER is higher than it has ever been in his career.

This year is the second and last year of Allen’s extension with the Celtics, and he tells Chris Tomasson of Fox Sports Florida he’d like to stay a Celtic for a little while.

Allen will be a free agent next summer. When asked if he wants to re-sign with the Celtics, he offered a quick, “Yeah.” Does he think he can get another multi-year deal from them at 37?

“Yeah,” said Allen, in the second-year of a two-year, $20 million contract. “That’s what I want.”

He’s playing well, teams will be lined up for a shot at him. But will that be Boston? They also have Kevin Garnett’s deal up and the Celtics need to decide whether to bring them back and make another run or get on with the business of rebuilding. Which option may well depend on how Boston does in the playoffs.

But whatever Boston decides Ray Allen will have plenty of people lined up for his services. Likely including a few contenders.

If it doesn't kill us cap-wise I'd say Danny definitely better look to extending him. If any 36 yr old deserves a multi-year deal, Ray Allen does. Especially after what he has shown thus far this season.

If could land a Kevin Love via FA, I would love to have both KG and RA re-up for the next couple years. These guys are both winners and will keep that winning attitude alive here in Boston as long as they are here.

Heck even if we could get in on the Cousins maneuvering I would want to re-up both these guys. They both are playing at a high level and they both are great teammates committed playing team basketball.

[jambr380]

If we can land Ray and KG (if he'll stick around) at [extremely] reasonable deals - even renouncing one or both and using the MLE, then we should still be able to sign a big player in FA. And frankly, if we don't get Dwight or Love, then I am not all that ecstatic about the FA pool anyway.

We still have Pierce for another couple of years, so no reason not to let this thing keep moving along and possibly, we'll land a winner via FA, the draft (JJJ, etc), or in Green next year. There are a lot of options and I am not ready to stink yet, unless it's guaranteed to give us a Lebron, Dwight, Durant type of building block.

[kozlodoev]

might be worth it to keep him around just as rondo's free throw shooting coach

He would excel in a PR or media function as well..class class class

Maybe you wouldn't believe it, but trained PR/media professionals are superior in these roles than even the most personable NBA players.

You are probably right but if Ray Allen wants to be good at something, he will practice it until he is good at it.

Have you heard about his golf game?

I have no doubts about that. I'd love him to stick around the clubhouse for many years after retirement. As far as role models go among athletes, you can hardly do better than Ray.

[j804]

All of this reaffirms the point:  Ray Allen, while a good defender and player generally, is mostly a one-trick pony, and the entire team works like heck to get him an opportunity to show off his trick.  He's better at it than anyone else, and surely is valuable, but he can pretty much only kill you with jumpers these days.

And Eddie House initially came here for about half the MLE (split with Posey, if memory serves).  Ray's getting to that point, and it's in line with what others here are suggesting.

The thing is, and this is the main point: a complementary player's value depends on the construction of the team.  Ray can put a team over the top, but can't get a team anywhere near the top.  He won't be the top priority this offseason, or even close.  I'd put more energy into resigning Bass than Ray at this point (and pay him more, too), though neither would be my first call of free agency.

How is a "good defender and player generally" who also happens to be arguably the greatest shooter of All-Time a one trick pony? Ray may not be an All-Star, but we're talking:

* Elite shooter, as good as ever
* Adequate defender (better than a lot of "young scorers" in this league)
* Excellent teammate, excellent health (still good for 80 games and 30+ MPG).
* Decent handle & passing ability

Sure he doesn't create a lot of shots, but he's still a top-10 shooting guard in the league. Who's better? Kobe, Wade, maybe Ginobili or Harden or Joe Johnson? IMO he's still a better overall player than guys like Kevin Martin, Ben Gordon, Jamal Crawford, Nick Young, etc.

Age is a factor here, but Ray Allen is no Eddie House, not even close.

TP.  Can't believe some are knocking Ray like this.

I think 3 years for $10 mill would be awesome.  I'd rather do that amount on one year deals to be safe but either way you are getting a deal on the court and a leader in the lockeroom.  I don't see what it has to do with our new direction either, why wouldn't Ray be great there too?  He would be an outstanding sixth man.

And you didn't even mention here that there is no other guy you'd rather kick it to for the clutch jumper.

I understand the apprehension about age, but if you look at guys like Grant Hill still playing I think we are entering an era of the NBA where guys can hold up longer.


EDIT: Also, to add another point, the SG position across the league is not particularly strong.  You have two franchise guys but they're over 30 (Wade and Kobe), Ginobili who is not leaving the Spurs and also over 30, two up and coming guys I consider locks for All-Stars down the road (Gordon and Harden) and then steps down from there, some high level talents but all have issues.  I think Ray for the money makes sense, and if we do happen to get a younger player who is better or has potential to be as I said Ray can come off the bench even if he isn't going to start.

TP until he's gone these same guys throwing him under the bus will be crying on here what we miss from him