Ray wants multi-year extension with C's

[Fafnir]

3 years at 10mil with production bonuses

IMO, its a fair contract that lets him ride out his career here like Reggie did with Indy while not over/underpaying him.
Yes other teams could toss him 1 year max deals but this keep him in the league and with the right team.
KG too should sign a similar deal and work their way into backup roles.

If Danny Ainge tried signed Ray Allen to a $30 million dollar deal ($10 million per anum) he should be fired on the spot.

I'd be unhappy with 10 million over three years even.

[Greenbean]

3 years at 10mil with production bonuses

IMO, its a fair contract that lets him ride out his career here like Reggie did with Indy while not over/underpaying him.
Yes other teams could toss him 1 year max deals but this keep him in the league and with the right team.
KG too should sign a similar deal and work their way into backup roles.

If Danny Ainge tried signed Ray Allen to a $30 million dollar deal ($10 million per anum) he should be fired on the spot.

I'd be unhappy with 10 million over three years even.

I think he means 3 years 10 mil total...


The third year would be too much for me.

Can anyone pull up what kind of contracts Reggie signed in his final years?

Add league inflation, and Ray should get the same.

[Fafnir]

3 years at 10mil with production bonuses

IMO, its a fair contract that lets him ride out his career here like Reggie did with Indy while not over/underpaying him.
Yes other teams could toss him 1 year max deals but this keep him in the league and with the right team.
KG too should sign a similar deal and work their way into backup roles.

If Danny Ainge tried signed Ray Allen to a $30 million dollar deal ($10 million per anum) he should be fired on the spot.

I'd be unhappy with 10 million over three years even.

I think he means 3 years 10 mil total...

If he did why was he referring to one year max deals for Ray from other teams. If other teams are offering a max salary deal (18 million or so) then $10 million over three years wouldn't keep ray.

[Tone]

Danny definitely not giving him a multi-year maybe a one year deal or let him walk

[33-00-32]

3 years at 10mil with production bonuses

IMO, its a fair contract that lets him ride out his career here like Reggie did with Indy while not over/underpaying him.
Yes other teams could toss him 1 year max deals but this keep him in the league and with the right team.
KG too should sign a similar deal and work their way into backup roles.

If Danny Ainge tried signed Ray Allen to a $30 million dollar deal ($10 million per anum) he should be fired on the spot.

I'd be unhappy with 10 million over three years even.

I think he means 3 years 10 mil total...

If he did why was he referring to one year max deals for Ray from other teams. If other teams are offering a max salary deal (18 million or so) then $10 million over three years wouldn't keep ray.

Nobody is offering Ray the max, love the guy but those days are over. I think we can resign him for something like 2 years with a 3rd year team option at about $3m per. Ray is only going to want to play if we can comepete and he knows DA needs the money to do that. I believe they have probably already had these conversations.

[j804]

The decision to resign Ray should be made after all of the chips fall.

If we are able to sign DH then Ray becomes very valuable, even for 2 years. So does KG for a year or 2.

If we dont end up with any max contract guys, there is no point in signing Ray.

These guys will be pieces after this season, not centerpieces.

Wether or not were contenders this sounds like Ray just wants to ride it out here and retire a Celtic, which is nice. What better mentor for the young guys than Ray?

If the contract is reasonable a 2-year deal is a no brainer. I doubt we land anybody big after this year anyway.

[Bankshot]

3 year deal while convincing Ray that we need the money to score high level free agents. Being here means nothing if the team as a whole can't contend for a title.

This.

Edit -- scratch that.  I think it should be 2 years.

[clover]

So 'Ray' is Dooling's nickname for Rondo:

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/post/Rondo-finds-new-locker-mate-mentor-in-Do?blockID=624342&feedID=3352

What does he call Pierce, 'KG'?

[TheTruthFot18]

Sure they (and the Knicks) would like Ray, lots of teams would, but the price is a pretty important factor these days.

If Ray will take Eddie House money, sure.  That's either a minimum deal or a fraction of the MLE, not $5M per for multiple years.  And I think 2 years is being generous.

Let's keep in mind what it takes to get Ray those high % and points totals:  a total team committment to get him open (triple staggered screens, Rondo passing - that's the whole team working to get Ray a 20+ft jumper).  It's not like he's getting those 20pts on his own.  The stats are a bit of a mirage.

1. Eddie House money? What an insult to Ray. 2 years at $5 mil aint bad but it could be lower. If reggie played as long as he did, ray can still have some years.

2. A mirage? Then whose stats (a select few aside) are not a mirage? Who else is as lethal from deep AND can make crazy off balance shots that somehow go in? the fact that so many of those impossible shots go in and he has a incredibly high fg% shows just how much skill he has as a shooter.

He cant create his own shot like PP, if you wanna knock him for that, but even if you gave the best shooters a team like the C's to help on screens and set ups, they will not shoot as well as him.

[action781]

With players like Marcus Thornton getting 4 years $32 mil, I think we'd have to give Ray 2 years, $10 mil.  I think having a player like Ray in place would improve our chances or landing a top tier FA (read: Dwight) even if it did hurt our cap space a little bit.  Superstars don't HAVE to take a max contract (Lebron, Wade, and Bosh didn't), so I think some worry too much about crossing this threshold of enough cap space to offer a max contract.  If we have a good surrounding cast, $15M to spend on Dwight and he says no, then I don't think he was coming with a lesser cast of players for a contract starting at the max.

[Inside-Out]

Sure they (and the Knicks) would like Ray, lots of teams would, but the price is a pretty important factor these days.

If Ray will take Eddie House money, sure.  That's either a minimum deal or a fraction of the MLE, not $5M per for multiple years.  And I think 2 years is being generous.

Let's keep in mind what it takes to get Ray those high % and points totals:  a total team committment to get him open (triple staggered screens, Rondo passing - that's the whole team working to get Ray a 20+ft jumper).  It's not like he's getting those 20pts on his own.  The stats are a bit of a mirage.

1. Eddie House money? What an insult to Ray. 2 years at $5 mil aint bad but it could be lower. If reggie played as long as he did, ray can still have some years.

2. A mirage? Then whose stats (a select few aside) are not a mirage? Who else is as lethal from deep AND can make crazy off balance shots that somehow go in? the fact that so many of those impossible shots go in and he has a incredibly high fg% shows just how much skill he has as a shooter.

He cant create his own shot like PP, if you wanna knock him for that, but even if you gave the best shooters a team like the C's to help on screens and set ups, they will not shoot as well as him.

All of this reaffirms the point:  Ray Allen, while a good defender and player generally, is mostly a one-trick pony, and the entire team works like heck to get him an opportunity to show off his trick.  He's better at it than anyone else, and surely is valuable, but he can pretty much only kill you with jumpers these days.

And Eddie House initially came here for about half the MLE (split with Posey, if memory serves).  Ray's getting to that point, and it's in line with what others here are suggesting.

The thing is, and this is the main point: a complementary player's value depends on the construction of the team.  Ray can put a team over the top, but can't get a team anywhere near the top.  He won't be the top priority this offseason, or even close.  I'd put more energy into resigning Bass than Ray at this point (and pay him more, too), though neither would be my first call of free agency.

[Boris Badenov]

If our goal is winning another championship, then it's only worth retaining Ray Allen if we've signed another big-time player who makes us a contender over the next two years. Given our lack of success this past summer on that front, that seems like an unlikely outcome.

So, renounce him or move him in a sign-and-trade.

This along with the decision regarding KG is going to be Danny's biggest test of the "no loyalty theory" he has mentioned regarding the early 1990s Celtics teams.

[droopdog7]

This has probably already been covered but just in case, what we need to keep in mind is that the team can't simply sign other FA's next year and then deal with RA last.  That is, while RA will be a FA, his salary (in the form of a cap hold) will still be on the Celt's books.

So if the celts want to vie for free agents, they won't be able to use RA's salary savings until they resign him or renounce him.  

I would be okay with 2 years at 5 mill each but I don't know the salary cap situation.  I also don't know whether RA would take it.

The decision to resign Ray should be made after all of the chips fall.

If we are able to sign DH then Ray becomes very valuable, even for 2 years. So does KG for a year or 2.

If we dont end up with any max contract guys, there is no point in signing Ray.

These guys will be pieces after this season, not centerpieces.

[Celtics18]

If we pay him $5million to stay next season, he and Rondo combined will still be cheaper than Chris Paul. 

[Eja117]

I think 2 years at $5 mil per year would be suitable

This or possibly 3 years at 4.