Why did we trade MarShon Brooks for jjj and Moore

[TripleOT]

Guards like Marshon are dime a dozen. But few bigs are as talented as JJ. I believe in 5 years Jajuan will be an allstar.

Too bad Danny didn't spend a dime the last 5 drafts and gotten one, because this team desperately needs a scoring wing with the second unit.

Pietrus and Marquis Daniels are more than enough for a bench. Jeff Green would also have been a wing scorer. I have a feeling Pietrus might be leaning towards staying here as well.

I have hope that MP can add some punch to the second unit.  Daniels is a very limited scorer (post up smaller covers, drive into the lane for 6 footers).  Ainge might have been counting on Bradley to be a scoring Sg off the bench when he went for JJJ instead of Brooks.

Or Ainge might have looked at a roster with no young bigs on it and decided that, all things being equal, big over small is the way to go.  Both guys were four year college players who put up big numbers in big time conferences.  My preference would have been Brooks, especially when he showed top of the class measurables in the combine.

Usually, big time production in major conference + prototype size for your position + top of class measurables = good bet to be a productive NBA player. 

Maybe Ainge saw Brooks as a one dimensional gunner and thought JJJ had a better chance at being a more well rounded player.  I'm just hoping Brooks doesn't become one of those guys that Celtic fans lament about while he lights up the scoreboard for a decade while JJJ never finds a spot in the league.       

[gar]

C's are always in a position of looking at players that drop in the Draft. Usually this is for a reason. Brooks would have gone earlier if he was a better all around player. JjJ would have gone earlier if he had more meat on his bones. Is a tough position. As a three sport athlete Danny tends to go with the "best athlete". This did not pan out with Giddens and Bradley (so far). JjJ is an interesting pick. Remains to be seen.

[PosImpos]

As a three sport athlete Danny tends to go with the "best athlete".

Is that why he picked Glen Davis?




I don't know exactly what Danny's draft philosophy is, but it seems to me that if you're drafting late, you should focus on guys who may not be all-around great players, but who have one or two defining abilities that are likely to translate to the NBA level.  

In other words, you look for guys who are likely to be good role players.  You look at guys that get drafted late who tend to stick, and it seems to be players of that sort.  DeJuan Blair -- undersized, but a heck of a rebounder.  Matt Bonner -- he's big and he shoots the lights out.  Gary Neal -- shoots the lights out.  Landry Fields -- boards his position really well and shoots well, plays within himself.  Those are just the examples I can think of from the last couple of drafts (except for Bonner).

For every DeAndre Jordan, Carlos Boozer, Monta Ellis, or Manu Ginobili (good to great all-around players) who get selected later in the draft, there are at least a handful of capable, quality role players who are available late.  



Moral of the story being, I think personally I'd go with the guy who has shown a great knack for doing one thing really well (in this case scoring) over a guy who might be a real good overall player down the road if he can develop his body, but who might also be a total dud who just doesn't do any particular thing at an NBA level.


But I'm not an NBA GM.  We'll see a year or two down the road which of Marshon and JJJ is the better NBA player.  At the moment, though, you have to give the nod to Marshon if only because he's actually in an NBA rotation.

[LooseCannon]

Gary Neal -- shoots the lights out.

I should point out that Gary Neal was actually undrafted and spent three years in Europe before the Spurs signed him.

[PosImpos]

Gary Neal -- shoots the lights out.

I should point out that Gary Neal was actually undrafted and spent three years in Europe before the Spurs signed him.

fair point. he still "fell" in the draft though.  he was available late in the draft and nobody picked him up.

now, he might not have been an NBA level player at that point yet, but the point stands -- he was available late, and now he's a very good NBA role-player with one high level skill.

[nicknorman]

I think people are overblowing this whole Danny hasn't drafted well in the last 4 years argument.  By trading for the big 3 Danny basically gutted his ability to draft high for the past 4 years and so he had to take long shot picks that didn't always pan out.

2008 we saw him take Giddens over Chalmers, DeAndre Jordan and Chris Douglas-Roberts.  But they were all from the second round so everyone was underrating them not just Danny.

2009 we traded our pick to Minn, so you can't really complain since we got KG.

2010 was pretty weak draft after the top 10.  We could have gotten Jordan Crawford or Landry Fields over Avery Bradley but its still early.

And the 2011 draft is way to early to judge.  JJJ would probably be coming off the bench on most crap teams. 

[OhioGreen]

I think the problem with Doc and rookies boils down basically to one thing. You can't put the whole third string in together at once and expect these kids to stand out.  It's like a"Chinese fire drill"! 
The rooks need to be integrated into games one at a time with 3 or 4 of the starters. Teams all over the league do it, and it works if the rooks have skills. They don't look so lost, the vets make them look even better, they start getting their confidence, and you have yourself a valuable member of the team. 
This "system" is why teams all over the league always seem to "pop up" with rookies contributing seemingly out of nowhere. Guys that were drafted below our kids. Goudelouk(SP?) on the Lakers comes to mind, and there are many others. Ryan Gomes was a good example for us years ago, when he was forced into the starting lineup, or 6th man. He played within his skills and impressed.
I know it's hard for Doc, when he thinks he has a shot at winning it all, but these early games are really the time to do this, or basically the kids just lose a year floundering on the bench and almost start over again next year. It's really a shame!

[clover]

C's are always in a position of looking at players that drop in the Draft. Usually this is for a reason. Brooks would have gone earlier if he was a better all around player. JjJ would have gone earlier if he had more meat on his bones. Is a tough position. As a three sport athlete Danny tends to go with the "best athlete". This did not pan out with Giddens and Bradley (so far). JjJ is an interesting pick. Remains to be seen.

Interesting theory.  In Foxboro, Belichick talks about the alternate approach of leaning toward 'football players'--not always necessarily the best athletes, but those for whom football is really important and who somehow have the knack of overperforming. 

[dtrader]

Guards like Marshon are dime a dozen. But few bigs are as talented as JJ. I believe in 5 years Jajuan will be an allstar.

Yep, in general, bigs are harder to come by and worth more than equivalently talented guards.  They also take longer to develop.  Brooks may prove to be a good player and a good pick, he's off to a good start.  But if 3J pans out in the next couple of years, he'll be the more valuable player and the better pick.

Players like Marshon arent a dime a dozen...theyre almost non-existent.  What 5 other NBA guards have a wingspan over 7', verticals over 35", and are deadly from 3?  I didnt expect him to adjust to the NBA as fast as he has, but players rarely have his naturaL physical gifts AND his skills.

[slamtheking]

brooks is a scorer and not a defender (yet).  Doc would have him on the bench behind Bradley and people would be saying he sucks because Doc isn't playing him.

JJJ isn't playing because he's behind KG and Bass.  Seriously, how can anyone complain that rookie isn't getting time over those 2?

If someone was complaining about Moore not getting time over Bradley, that might hold a little more water.

As far as Steimsma, he's a solid example of Danny bringing in young players that Doc won't play unless he has no veteran options available.   Steimsma has looked really good out there with some playing time but if Wilcox hadn't gotten injured, Steimsma would never have seen the court. 

I'm in no rush for JJJ at this point.  If KG retires after this year, I'd be ok with Bass starting next year with JJJ backing him up.  (provided Danny doesn't land a good PF in free agency)

[pearljammer10]

MarShon Brooks is averaging 15points in 23 minutes, while jjj and moore can only play in garbage time. Isn't he the kind of 2/3 scorer we need at the moment?

You realize he is on the Nets right?  I could average 15 points in 23 minutes on that team.

[ThaPreacher]

MarShon Brooks is averaging 15points in 23 minutes, while jjj and moore can only play in garbage time. Isn't he the kind of 2/3 scorer we need at the moment?

You realize he is on the Nets right?  I could average 15 points in 23 minutes on that team.

No!  You wouldn't get off the bench on the Maine Red Claws! LOL



Marshon isn't scoring against the Nets!  Rather the teams that they play.   15 ppg is more than almost all of the Celtics.
He would have been a great draft choice.  And I'm not sure that Danny made the right decision.  I can remember thinking the same thing about Javale McGee and DeAndre Jordan.

[celticslove]

MarShon Brooks is averaging 15points in 23 minutes, while jjj and moore can only play in garbage time. Isn't he the kind of 2/3 scorer we need at the moment?

You realize he is on the Nets right?  I could average 15 points in 23 minutes on that team.

No!  You wouldn't get off the bench on the Maine Red Claws! LOL



Marshon isn't scoring against the Nets!  Rather the teams that they play.   15 ppg is more than almost all of the Celtics.
He would have been a great draft choice.  And I'm not sure that Danny made the right decision.  I can remember thinking the same thing about Javale McGee and DeAndre Jordan.

If Danny had kept Marshon he will also rot on the bench just like jjj and moore, knowing how doc loves his vets.

[Roy H.]

And I'm not sure that Danny made the right decision.  I can remember thinking the same thing about Javale McGee and DeAndre Jordan.

Javale McGee was taken 12 spots ahead of where we picked in the 2008 draft.

[CoachBo]

Moore and JJ looked lost last night in their brief action.

But then, this board overvalues Danny's draft picks with regularity.