Why did we trade MarShon Brooks for jjj and Moore

[Greenbean]

He would be averaging about 3 minutes a game in garbage time if he was on the celts. You can't judge players that don't play and Doc wouldn't play him if he were on this team.

well that would be the sign of a bad coach than. 

I agree.  I think JuJuan Johnson should be playing at least a couple minutes a night.  You invested a first round pick in him, you need to at least give him the opportunity to see game time so he can develop.  If he was 18-19, I'd understand, but he's 22, the kid needs to play.

where & when is the question
kg and bass should have all the minutes at pf, jermaine 20 minutes a night, still have wilcox and the kid stiemsma has looked good enough to deserve minutes
bass has looked really good and I'm sure doc wants to get kg and jo moving so their minutes will be there

I think the point is that it is sad that a career D-Leaguer is getting minutes over our first round pick.


I think people need to be a little more patient. JJJ has had to go through a hyper fast version of the most important training camp of his life.

Steimsma has one NBA skill. I think we should give JJJ and Doc a little time.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

The fact alone that there are a plethora of good to average big man available in the free agency market, as evidenced by the Wilcox signing makes me scratch my head when Danny traded Brooks for JJJ.

I'm not knocking on JaJuan, I think he has the potential to be solid. But Brooks could have given us a much better help that we needed that cannot be afforded by veteran minimum, that's the ability to score and create shots for your own. With Paul as the ONLY scorer we have, trust me Doc could've gambled on MarShon even for a few minutes. With JJJ, since we have a decent number of big men, there was. O chance.

This is like the Avery Bradley thing all over again. Danny could've gotten James Anderson, Damion James or Landry Fields, all who can contribute right away even for just little, instead he got a seat occupier.

[OttawaCeltic]

Brooks >>> 3J
Moore = our good second pick
Ainge = Worst NBA Trader in 2011

[Meadowlark_Scal]

so tired of this "Doc doesn't play the rookies" garbage.

Doc doesn't play the rookies that suck (Giddens, Bradley, and now maybe Johnson.)

But the rookies that were good (Al, Tony Allen, Delonte West, Rajon Rondo) played.  Funny how that works.  West ended up being the starting 2-guard in a playoff series.  And Tony Allen started much of that season on a team (05 Celtics) that eventually won the division.

We all saw JaJuan Johnson play in the pre-season and he looked like garbage.  Brooks played in the pre-season and played well.  Brooks is continuing his solid play.  Johnson isn't there.

I'm really getting impatient with Danny's drafts.  This team doesn't have a lick of young talent at all.  I don't think anyone is expecting a young Kobe with his draft picks.  But to not come away with one contributor in four full years is as bad as it gets.

I don't think he / they ever look for solid big men either in the draft....it is always guards, or it seems that way. After a while their scouting does look suspect.

[Roy H.]

Ainge = Worst NBA Trader in 2011

That BBD + Wafer for Bass trade is looking pretty good right now.

In terms of this trade, it was Brooks for JJJ + a 2014 NJ second rounder.  I assume Danny's reasoning in that trade was that he was going to take Johnson anyway, so he may as well pick up the free asset, and pay Johnson a lower slotted salary.

If there's fault in Danny, it would be Danny the talent evaluator, not Danny the trader.  I think we need to see where Johnson ends up before we can make that call, though.

[birdbrady]

Ainge = Worst NBA Trader in 2011

That BBD + Wafer for Bass trade is looking pretty good right now.

In terms of this trade, it was Brooks for JJJ + a 2014 NJ second rounder.  I assume Danny's reasoning in that trade was that he was going to take Johnson anyway, so he may as well pick up the free asset, and pay Johnson a lower slotted salary.

If there's fault in Danny, it would be Danny the talent evaluator, not Danny the trader.  I think we need to see where Johnson ends up before we can make that call, though.

Ha, some of us are getting a little tired of playing "wait and see" with Danny's picks since 07.  After Giddens, Walker, and Avery Bradley (who was 18th overall) - I think some of us are getting weary when we have to a "wait" to see if a guy who went to a Big 10 school for four years can play in the NBA.

And I'm not one to be all that impatient - especially compared to all the stuff I see on this board that has us blowing all of our future cap space so we can get Joe Johnson.

[Roy H.]

Ainge = Worst NBA Trader in 2011

That BBD + Wafer for Bass trade is looking pretty good right now.

In terms of this trade, it was Brooks for JJJ + a 2014 NJ second rounder.  I assume Danny's reasoning in that trade was that he was going to take Johnson anyway, so he may as well pick up the free asset, and pay Johnson a lower slotted salary.

If there's fault in Danny, it would be Danny the talent evaluator, not Danny the trader.  I think we need to see where Johnson ends up before we can make that call, though.

Ha, some of us are getting a little tired of playing "wait and see" with Danny's picks since 07.  After Giddens, Walker, and Avery Bradley (who was 18th overall) - I think some of us are getting weary when we have to a "wait" to see if a guy who went to a Big 10 school for four years can play in the NBA.

And I'm not one to be all that impatient - especially compared to all the stuff I see on this board that has us blowing all of our future cap space so we can get Joe Johnson.

I just think it's a tough task for a rookie (without a summer league, training camp, preseason, or much practice time) to immediately unseat the guys ahead of him (KG, Bass, Wilcox).

It's easy to say that, in hindsight, we shouldn't have drafted a power forward.  However, at the time Danny didn't know that he'd be able to land Bass or Wilcox.   At the time of the draft, the vast majority of fans were clamoring for a big man, and Danny delivered one.  Now that a SG is playing like Jamal Crawford in New Jersey, fans change their mind and say that Danny should have targeted that position. 

It's always easy to make decisions in retrospect, but let's give things longer than a week before making a decision.

(Plus, when Brooks is traded to Orlando along with Brook Lopez for Dwight Howard, we can all thank Danny for keeping D12 away from the Lakers!)

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Having a center that plays good solid D is essential to a team like this. That is pretty much what Perkins did. Blocking shots is great, and he will develop more as he plays within the celtics system. SteamSA, is still an NBA rookie ( I know D league) but D league is still not the NBA. As he gains confidence, you could see some more dunks, and maybe a few in the paint moves....he has played very little still, and have you seen ANYONE pass to him while he is in the paint yet....? It took the Celts a while before they passed to Perk in the paint. The Celts have teams that are not centered around the...center..and usually, like with Howard.....when the center is a ball hog...nothing else happens. JJJ, it would be good if he could block shots first, then rebound and put it in. That is what the Celts need.

[GreenFaith1819]

JJJ is not getting much PT - yet.

But I'm sure when he is called upon he will shine.

Not many players get KG's support early on, and the young man has earned it.

MarShorn, while a talented scorer - is in a sweet spot. I'll admit he looks like an NBA player, but JJJ will get his time to shine as well.

For me - if a projected lineup, down the road, of say - Deron at PG, MarShon at SG, Brooke Lopez (once he heals) at center - can make some noise and play competitively? If this happens then for me I can quantitatively access that MarShon makes his team better rather than just putting up numbers on a weaker team.

So far, the numbers equate to a 1-3 team for NJ.

And Moore? I'm not concerned with him, either. He will shine as well - in due time.

I wish MarShon the best, but I'm glad Danny picked who he did.

[TA9]

Well Etwaun wasnt in the trade for MarShon.
JaJuan may be better than Brooks. Just imagine him playing on a bad team. He could be avg 12-15 points while playing solid D.
Doc WOULDNT have played him. And dont bring the situation with Tony allen, Al Jefferson etc up. Our team sucked in the season 2006-07. He didnt have anything to lose, so why not play em?
Our team is trying to win a championship this year. Thats WHY he doesnt play rookies.

[birdbrady]

I just think it's a tough task for a rookie (without a summer league, training camp, preseason, or much practice time) to immediately unseat the guys ahead of him (KG, Bass, Wilcox).

It's easy to say that, in hindsight, we shouldn't have drafted a power forward.  However, at the time Danny didn't know that he'd be able to land Bass or Wilcox.   At the time of the draft, the vast majority of fans were clamoring for a big man, and Danny delivered one.  Now that a SG is playing like Jamal Crawford in New Jersey, fans change their mind and say that Danny should have targeted that position. 

It's always easy to make decisions in retrospect, but let's give things longer than a week before making a decision.

I might be a little different than some other posters on the board.  I might not expect JaJuan to be a major contributor in the rotation.  I just want him to at least show flashes, and show that he is an NBA caliber right away.  It's not that we need him for his play.  But drafting well is how Ainge really built this team to begin with.  The KG trade was basically made because Ainge drafted well and had players that had value in the league at the time.  I just don't like how Ainge in 08 and 10 - had two first rounders, and drafted two players that didn't even belong in the league.  I don't want JJJ to be the third.

(Plus, when Brooks is traded to Orlando along with Brook Lopez for Dwight Howard, we can all thank Danny for keeping D12 away from the Lakers!)

I think that would be the only silver lining in this.  Although, ask yourself this - if we made better draft choices in 08, 10, and 11 - making a trade for Dwight (w/o having to give up Rondo) would be something that's on the table for us.

[birdbrady]

Well Etwaun wasnt in the trade for MarShon.
JaJuan may be better than Brooks. Just imagine him playing on a bad team. He could be avg 12-15 points while playing solid D.
Doc WOULDNT have played him. And dont bring the situation with Tony allen, Al Jefferson etc up. Our team sucked in the season 2006-07. He didnt have anything to lose, so why not play em?
Our team is trying to win a championship this year. Thats WHY he doesnt play rookies.

Someone wasn't a Celtics fan before the 2008 season.

Tony Allen and Al Jeferson were rookies two years PRIOR to the 07 season.  You might want to look up the 2005 Celtics - then get back to me.

[Roy H.]

 Although, ask yourself this - if we made better draft choices in 08, 10, and 11 - making a trade for Dwight (w/o having to give up Rondo) would be something that's on the table for us.

I think this is overstating things.  Even if Danny drafted the absolutely best player on the board each year (let's say DeAndre Jordan, Landry Fields / Jordan Crawford, and Marshon Brooks), that's still not nearly enough to land Howard, in my mind.  Also, of course, it's unrealistic to ask any GM to pick the best possible player every year.  Nobody has a 100% track record.

[birdbrady]

 Although, ask yourself this - if we made better draft choices in 08, 10, and 11 - making a trade for Dwight (w/o having to give up Rondo) would be something that's on the table for us.

I think this is overstating things.  Even if Danny drafted the absolutely best player on the board each year (let's say DeAndre Jordan, Landry Fields / Jordan Crawford, and Marshon Brooks), that's still not nearly enough to land Howard, in my mind.  Also, of course, it's unrealistic to ask any GM to pick the best possible player every year.  Nobody has a 100% track record.

I agree.  No one expects 100% for drafts.  As I said, I loved Ainge's drafts from 03-07.  But do I kill him for picking Marcus Banks so high? No of course not.  The overall body of work is what counts.  I don't expect him to hit on all those picks, but like I said - coming away with nothing is certainly inexcuseable.  And it does raise a fair question of since Morey left for Houston, Ainge's drafts and free agent signings have been pretty weak.

Btw, I'd say if we had a package that had us taking back Hedo's contract, and giving say Jordan, Brooks, Jeff Green, and a couple of firsts would have us right there with best offers.  It may not get it done - but is it not better or equal to Bynum, the TE and picks for Howard and Hedo? Lopez and picks for Howard with no Hedo?

And we almost certainly would have gotten the Chris Paul deal done if we made the right picks.  Maybe I'm just bitter because in 08 I was dying for Jordan, and I was certainly baffled when we picked Bradley over Bledsoe (don't think Bledsoe is going to be all that great, but he at least has value around the league.)

[RyNye]

If we had drafted Marshon Brooks, he wouldn't be getting any minutes, and people on these forums would be wondering why we don't send him to the D-League or trade him for another big man. I guarantee it.

He is putting up big numbers because he is getting minutes that he would NOT HAVE GOTTEN in Boston. Remember, Nets suck.