Rajon Rondo stats

[PosImpos]

it's only two games . . . last season he started off with some ridiculous numbers, too.

still, i'd look for rondo to average 15-17 points this season with around 4-5 rebounds and 10-11 assists.  a couple steals too.

basically, much like his numbers of the past couple of years only with more points and a hair fewer assists.  also perhaps not as high a FG% as he tries to pick up more of the scoring load.

if he could stay at near 70% free throws that would be huge, but I'm expect a regression to the mean there. maybe he'll stick around 65% (we can dream).

If he can go 16 ppg, 5 rpg, 11 apg, 2.5 spg, 50% fg, and 70% ft with around 3.5 or lower topg while leading the team to 40 something wins, that's legit MVP consideration.

eh, he could put himself in the conversation for top 5 point guards with those numbers, but unless the Celtics finish with the best or second-best regular season record, i don't see it happening.

  Rondo is in the conversation for top 5 point guards and has been for quite some time. It's mainly among his detractors on the blog that he needs to improve his numbers to get there.

Rondo would have to average 14-14-5-2 like he was at the start of last season, or 20-11-5-2 (as he is now) while leading the team to a top 5 record to really contend for MVP.

  He was closer to 9/14/5/2 and was among the contenders. It's worth pointing out that the numbers you expect from him are roughly the same or slightly better than what CP3 put up last year.

right, numbers that CP3 put up in an off-year (although Rondo will never come close to Paul's free throw and 3pt shooting percentages).

Paul didn't win any awards last year with those numbers.


As for the top 5 point guard conversation, I think it depends greatly on who you are talking / listening to.  Pundits on ESPN, NBA TV, TNT etc often list CP3, Rose, Williams, Westbrook, and Nash as their top 5.  Rondo only sometimes is included on that list, and rarely if ever near the top, unless it's an analyst looking to make a controversial pick.

wow. those are better numbers then cp3 last year. 26 and 12 are you kidding me smh wow not top 5.. westchuck top 5 wow just wow!

if Rondo put up 26-12 over the course of 60+ games he would absolutely be in the conversation for MVP, and would probably be considered the top PG, or top 2-3 at least.

but I think it's incredibly optimistic to expect Rondo to keep up his current pace over the entire season, shortened though it may be.

what's more, if Rondo put up 26-12 with this group around him, I don't think they'd be one of the top 5 teams in terms of record.  Rondo putting up those numbers would mean he'd be carrying us night after night, and I don't imagine that this team would have a great record that way.  Rondo just isn't that efficient a scorer (poor free throw shooter and non-factor from deep).

[cman88]

the scoring stats will drop once Paul Pierce comes back, but I think its realistic to thing of 15-17ppg.

the most telling stat is the free throw percentage around 70% and the amount hes taking these 2 games...hopefully those can stay around that level.

[BballTim]

it's only two games . . . last season he started off with some ridiculous numbers, too.

still, i'd look for rondo to average 15-17 points this season with around 4-5 rebounds and 10-11 assists.  a couple steals too.

basically, much like his numbers of the past couple of years only with more points and a hair fewer assists.  also perhaps not as high a FG% as he tries to pick up more of the scoring load.

if he could stay at near 70% free throws that would be huge, but I'm expect a regression to the mean there. maybe he'll stick around 65% (we can dream).

If he can go 16 ppg, 5 rpg, 11 apg, 2.5 spg, 50% fg, and 70% ft with around 3.5 or lower topg while leading the team to 40 something wins, that's legit MVP consideration.

eh, he could put himself in the conversation for top 5 point guards with those numbers, but unless the Celtics finish with the best or second-best regular season record, i don't see it happening.

  Rondo is in the conversation for top 5 point guards and has been for quite some time. It's mainly among his detractors on the blog that he needs to improve his numbers to get there.

Rondo would have to average 14-14-5-2 like he was at the start of last season, or 20-11-5-2 (as he is now) while leading the team to a top 5 record to really contend for MVP.

  He was closer to 9/14/5/2 and was among the contenders. It's worth pointing out that the numbers you expect from him are roughly the same or slightly better than what CP3 put up last year.

right, numbers that CP3 put up in an off-year (although Rondo will never come close to Paul's free throw and 3pt shooting percentages).

Paul didn't win any awards last year with those numbers.


As for the top 5 point guard conversation, I think it depends greatly on who you are talking / listening to.  Pundits on ESPN, NBA TV, TNT etc often list CP3, Rose, Williams, Westbrook, and Nash as their top 5.  Rondo only sometimes is included on that list, and rarely if ever near the top, unless it's an analyst looking to make a controversial pick.

  If you want to go with pundits, writers and broadcasters vote for all nba teams and Rondo finished 4th among point guards. And "sometimes included in the list" would fit most people's definition of in the conversation for. And that's where Rondo is, despite the fact that he was relatively healthy for well under half the season last year.

[guava_wrench]

I love everything he has done except the turnovers. There's no way he should be averaging 6 turnovers per game. Other than that, he's been awesome.

Here's the strange thing, his turnover % is actually down from what it was last year. But his usage is now at 29% which is way way way up from last years 18%

29% is LeBron or Paul Pierce 2004-2005 levels of usage.

Is that stat useful considering he was handling the ball just as much at the start of the season last year? I would expect higher usage from shooting more aggressively since passing can lead to a second pass lowering your usage, even though shooting is much less likely to result in a TO than a pass unless you charge or travel a lot.

Personally, I can't get worked up over the # of TOs in just 2 early season games. There will be good and bad games for that. I am looking more at the qualitative difference -- his aggressiveness in hitting the open midrange jumper. He has also gone 9-12 and 7-11 from the line. That is a great trend. 70% is a great improvement, though it is still a small sample. A lot of the FTs have been nothing but net.

If he has repaired his FT shooting and if he is legitimately comfortable with his midrange jumper, he goes to the next level since those are the only substantial flaws in his game.

If he keeps shooting like that from the FT line, we can also put to rest the annoying 'big hands' arguments.

[guava_wrench]

If Rondo continues to shoot 70% from the line and 53% while taking open jumpers when defenses cheat, he will once again be considered a top 3 PG as he was at the beginning of last season.

If Rondo scores as he has been for the rest of the season, it will be hard to make an argument that Westbrook is better if Rondo is bringing the same scoring but more efficiently while also running the offense and getting good shots for defense. Add to that while being all-defensive team.

Rose and Paul are guaranteed to be considered top 3, but Deron Williams drops in and out of the conversation year to year. Westbrook is the kind of player I don't care for, so I am biased. He can shoot his team out of so many games and I wonder if he will be a regular headache for the Thunder in the playoffs.

[snively]

It's the back to back 10+ FTA that have impressed me most. 

[mqtcelticsfan]

I'd hope it would be obvious that 26 and 12 on >50% shooting over a season would change people's minds when it comes to his place among PGs. If he could pull those numbers off consistently, he'd be the best PG in the history of the game.

The problem is that it's just not reasonable to expect that it will continue. Sure, he could very reasonably put up 16 and 10 over the course of a season, but without a reliable jumpshot that's probably it. Still very good, but just not quite a healthy Chris Paul or Derrick Rose.

[Celtics4ever]

If he keeps it up ( and I doubt it) Chris who?

[celtics2]

Amazing one stat not here. Turnovers. A doozy of one late in the Miami game that threw ice water on our run. The better teams know how to shut Rondo down and frustrate him. Miami didn't care what Rondo did as long as they could control Allen and KG.

[BballTim]

Amazing one stat not here. Turnovers. A doozy of one late in the Miami game that threw ice water on our run. The better teams know how to shut Rondo down and frustrate him. Miami didn't care what Rondo did as long as they could control Allen and KG.

  Yes, they controlled Ray all the way to 28 points. Hopefully other teams will handle him as well. I mean, sure, Wade knows how to shut Rondo down with a wrestling takedown. When he was healthy last season they did a pretty poor job of shutting him down, "frustrating" him to a triple double in one game and 16 and 17 assists in the other two games.

[heitingas]

updates after 5 games, if he could score 20 PPG, 12 APG and keep up his FT shooting, FG% and going to the line more than 6.8 per game then he is an MVP candidate, i'm counting on him to keep up his rebounding.

PTS 18.6

AST 10.0

REB 5.8|DR 4.2|OR 1.6

STL 1.4

FG% 0.567|FGM-FGA 6.8-12.0

FT% 0.647|FTM-FTA 4.4-6.8

3P% 0.429|3PM-3PA 0.6-1.4

TO 4.2

PER 25.31