Is Doc not going into our Bench enough?

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When Pierce comes back and Pietrus is activated the starting five will be:

O'Neal
KG
Pierce
Allen
Rondo

Then, integrated into a rotation will be

Dooling
Bass
Daniels
Pietrus
Wilcox

Left to learning the game by watching or playing in the D-League or blowouts will be

Moore
Johnson
Bradley
Steimsma

On the team waiting for an injury before see the court again will be

Pavlovic

And quite honestly, that's the way it should be, This is not the year to see if we have a rookie that can do things. There will be plenty of time for that over the next few years. Now is the time to win and go for that last shot at a championship.

THAT is this team's philosophy and THAT is what all you guys screaming to see young players are just going to have to accept. This franchise won't be playing Moore and Johnson and Bradley much at all this year. This year is about a last grasp at immortality and the youngsters aren't going to be any help in that.

Which is why stinking it up early, leading to a change in perspective, might be good for the health of the franchise.

[nickagneta]

When Pierce comes back and Pietrus is activated the starting five will be:

O'Neal
KG
Pierce
Allen
Rondo

Then, integrated into a rotation will be

Dooling
Bass
Daniels
Pietrus
Wilcox

Left to learning the game by watching or playing in the D-League or blowouts will be

Moore
Johnson
Bradley
Steimsma

On the team waiting for an injury before see the court again will be

Pavlovic

And quite honestly, that's the way it should be, This is not the year to see if we have a rookie that can do things. There will be plenty of time for that over the next few years. Now is the time to win and go for that last shot at a championship.

THAT is this team's philosophy and THAT is what all you guys screaming to see young players are just going to have to accept. This franchise won't be playing Moore and Johnson and Bradley much at all this year. This year is about a last grasp at immortality and the youngsters aren't going to be any help in that.

Which is why stinking it up early, leading to a change in perspective, might be good for the health of the franchise.

What's good for the franchise is to get every last win out of the Big Three and this veteran supporting cast. Make that last run at a title. That is what is in this franchise's best interests.

Danny and Doc understand that this is it before the return to playing rookies and young players and developing them and losing games at incredible rates. No need to start that this year. They have a veteran core that has heart, spirit, courage, tenacity, experience, and a will to win as big if not bigger than any other in the league.

Gotta run that out one more time and go for it.

All you people clamoring for Moore and Johnson and such are just going to have to wait, hopefully patiently, until next year.

[BudweiserCeltic]

When Pierce comes back and Pietrus is activated the starting five will be:

O'Neal
KG
Pierce
Allen
Rondo

Then, integrated into a rotation will be

Dooling
Bass
Daniels
Pietrus
Wilcox

Left to learning the game by watching or playing in the D-League or blowouts will be

Moore
Johnson
Bradley
Steimsma

On the team waiting for an injury before see the court again will be

Pavlovic

And quite honestly, that's the way it should be, This is not the year to see if we have a rookie that can do things. There will be plenty of time for that over the next few years. Now is the time to win and go for that last shot at a championship.

THAT is this team's philosophy and THAT is what all you guys screaming to see young players are just going to have to accept. This franchise won't be playing Moore and Johnson and Bradley much at all this year. This year is about a last grasp at immortality and the youngsters aren't going to be any help in that.

Which is why stinking it up early, leading to a change in perspective, might be good for the health of the franchise.

What's good for the franchise is to get every last win out of the Big Three and this veteran supporting cast. Make that last run at a title. That is what is in this franchise's best interests.

Danny and Doc understand that this is it before the return to playing rookies and young players and developing them and losing games at incredible rates. No need to start that this year. They have a veteran core that has heart, spirit, courage, tenacity, experience, and a will to win as big if not bigger than any other in the league.

Gotta run that out one more time and go for it.

All you people clamoring for Moore and Johnson and such are just going to have to wait, hopefully patiently, until next year.

The problem is that it doesn't have to be an either/or proposal. Giving some young talent playing time is not synonymous with losing games. In fact, it might just be the opposite depending on how Doc manages the team. It's all about putting the right players on the floor for the right amount of time.

For example, giving Bradley a chance like he's giving him when he's clearly not ready for this, and clearly behind Moore as far as readiness goes, it's foolish. Yet Doc is giving Bradley time, which makes zero sense to me.

[nickagneta]

I honestly don't understand the love for Moore or what people are claiming to see in him. In the 2 preseason games versus one of the worst teams in the league he showed nothing special and didn't demonstrate that he had anything resembling pro-ready skills.

He seems to have a head on his shoulders but lacked athleticism, and was not very good on defense. And in watching his play in the fourth quarter of both pre-season games with all the rest of the young players, it sure seemed to me that none of them grasped the defensive rotations or anything regarding running a proper offense. Just about everyone appeared to be playing streetball.

Bradley has defensive skills. He got 9 minutes and 4 meaningless minutes in the first quarter last night to give Rondo a blow. If Pierce and Pietrus were not injured, Bradley wouldn't be sniffing the floor. He has at least shown he gets the defensive assignments and knows where to be offensive, even if he isn't showing much more than that. I don't think that the same can be said of Moore, yet, especially since Doc has seen him in practice and we haven't.

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When Pierce comes back and Pietrus is activated the starting five will be:

O'Neal
KG
Pierce
Allen
Rondo

Then, integrated into a rotation will be

Dooling
Bass
Daniels
Pietrus
Wilcox

Left to learning the game by watching or playing in the D-League or blowouts will be

Moore
Johnson
Bradley
Steimsma

On the team waiting for an injury before see the court again will be

Pavlovic

And quite honestly, that's the way it should be, This is not the year to see if we have a rookie that can do things. There will be plenty of time for that over the next few years. Now is the time to win and go for that last shot at a championship.

THAT is this team's philosophy and THAT is what all you guys screaming to see young players are just going to have to accept. This franchise won't be playing Moore and Johnson and Bradley much at all this year. This year is about a last grasp at immortality and the youngsters aren't going to be any help in that.

Which is why stinking it up early, leading to a change in perspective, might be good for the health of the franchise.

What's good for the franchise is to get every last win out of the Big Three and this veteran supporting cast. Make that last run at a title. That is what is in this franchise's best interests.

Danny and Doc understand that this is it before the return to playing rookies and young players and developing them and losing games at incredible rates. No need to start that this year. They have a veteran core that has heart, spirit, courage, tenacity, experience, and a will to win as big if not bigger than any other in the league.

Gotta run that out one more time and go for it.

All you people clamoring for Moore and Johnson and such are just going to have to wait, hopefully patiently, until next year.

Actually Danny has very carefully never said this year that he thinks the Big Three have another run in them.  He has repeatedly said that they think they have another run in them and that he's been surprised they've held together as long as they have.  I think Danny's very open-minded to seeing what the early season brings them on the court.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Bradley has defensive skills sure, but at the cost of complete offensive incompetence. It would be fine if he just stayed out of the way, but no he's always touching the ball, playing foolishly. I like him, but he shouldn't be getting on the floor.

Moore on the other hand, seemed to be in good control while playing, plus a [dang] good shooter that showed that he can hit from just about anywhere on the floor, and can create for himself. Something we really need from the bench. It opens up the floor better for someone like Daniels to work inside, it also alleviates KG and Bass work inside if you pair Moore with other perimeter players. In all it gives us plenty of offensive flexibility, instead of being a hindrance like Bradley is doing, with little to show for it at the moment.

[Evantime34]

The tough thing is we all complain about Doc never giving any of the young players a chance to develop. In order to do this you need to allow the young guys to play and make mistakes. Now Doc is giving Bradley a chance and he's getting killed for it. Doc must believe that Avery has the most upside out of any of our players so he is force feeding him minutes. Even though it's painful to watch now it could pay dividends the rest of the season and in the future.

Before the end of the year I'd be shocked if both Moore and JJ don't get their shots. There will be injuries and fatigue from the condensed schedule, that will create some time for them. I think JJ might even get his chance tonight.

[BudweiserCeltic]

The tough thing is we all complain about Doc never giving any of the young players a chance to develop. In order to do this you need to allow the young guys to play and make mistakes. Now Doc is giving Bradley a chance and he's getting killed for it. Doc must believe that Avery has the most upside out of any of our players so he is force feeding him minutes. Even though it's painful to watch now it could pay dividends the rest of the season and in the future.

Before the end of the year I'd be shocked if both Moore and JJ don't get their shots. There will be injuries and fatigue from the condensed schedule, that will create some time for them. I think JJ might even get his chance tonight.

I think he's giving Bradley a chance because it's his second year. He did the same thing with Pruitt before giving up on him.

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The tough thing is we all complain about Doc never giving any of the young players a chance to develop. In order to do this you need to allow the young guys to play and make mistakes. Now Doc is giving Bradley a chance and he's getting killed for it. Doc must believe that Avery has the most upside out of any of our players so he is force feeding him minutes. Even though it's painful to watch now it could pay dividends the rest of the season and in the future.

Before the end of the year I'd be shocked if both Moore and JJ don't get their shots. There will be injuries and fatigue from the condensed schedule, that will create some time for them. I think JJ might even get his chance tonight.

There are other possibilities.  They might be trying to showcase AB for a trade, or Doc might specifically trying to make sure the three rooks learn the system and that the Boilermakers commit to defense.  (I don't think there's any question about GS's defensive effort, at least.)  Or, they may have seen AB play enough better that they think they can get him up to his best present level, at least, by feeding him some minutes.

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I can't blame Doc for keeping a very short leash on the Dooling/Bradley backcourt.  No penetration, lots of ball-handling turnovers, questionable shot selection, poor court vision.  

I can also understand why he's hesitant to put Moore out there and ask him to be the leader of that squad.  We're not the Heat.  We don't have 3 superstars who rotate the entire game and allow rookies like Norris Cole to play a very simple role (shoot open Js and drive off of kick-outs).  Currently we have one borderline superstar in Rondo.  When he's off the court, everyone else has to role-play as the superstar instead of sticking to their strengths.

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When Pierce comes back and Pietrus is activated the starting five will be:

O'Neal
KG
Pierce
Allen
Rondo

Then, integrated into a rotation will be

Dooling
Bass
Daniels
Pietrus
Wilcox

Left to learning the game by watching or playing in the D-League or blowouts will be

Moore
Johnson
Bradley
Steimsma

On the team waiting for an injury before see the court again will be

Pavlovic

And quite honestly, that's the way it should be, This is not the year to see if we have a rookie that can do things. There will be plenty of time for that over the next few years. Now is the time to win and go for that last shot at a championship.

THAT is this team's philosophy and THAT is what all you guys screaming to see young players are just going to have to accept. This franchise won't be playing Moore and Johnson and Bradley much at all this year. This year is about a last grasp at immortality and the youngsters aren't going to be any help in that.

Well good luck with that what you're going to do going this route is wind up injuring one of our veterans. In this shortened cramped schedule with hardly any rest you got to give the rookies some burn. I could already see it a major knee or career ending injury waiting to happen because Doc is so stubborn and plays Ray or KG to the ground ( trying to squeak out a win when they are so gassed it has the opposite effect and backfires on us).

It has nothing to do with NOT going for a championship.

[gar]

Doc wants to get everyone into game shape and meshing well. There will be time to rest Vets later. We are missing two key players in Pierce and Pietrus. Against the Heat and NY that was huge. Once we get the rooks acclimated and PP and MP back we will be fine. Our depth will give most teams trouble. Dooling and Bass are looking good off the bench. Doc is not playing JO big minutes, so we like what he is doing. No need to throw JJJ in against Stoudimire.

[pearljammer10]

What bench?

I mean seriously Bass and Dooling are the only two worth anything.  Daniels looks lost and out of sorts.  Wilcox only has the stamina to play a couple of minutes at a time (he does ok in that time, but nothing special).  Pavlovic who is only starting while Pierce is out isn't being utilized properly (neither is O'Neal for that matter), perhaps when Sasha goes back to the bench he will be better utilized.  Bradley just isn't any good.  Johnson, Moore, and Stiemsma should all be in the D League. 

Bass and Dooling's great play has given me a bit of hope that when (or if) Pierce and Pietrus come back and are in form that the team will actually have a decent 8 man rotation.  Doesn't do much for the regular season but should be a decent playoff rotation.

Our bench of Dooling, Daneils, Bass and Wilcox with Pietrus when healthy is a lineup that a team like the Raptors would love to throw out on the floor as their first unit...What do you mean what bench?

This is by far the deepest bench the Celtics have had since I cant remember when. The lineup with Dooling at the two and KG at the five was a huge huge turning point in the game for us last night.

[nickagneta]

Mike Gorman on the Sports Hub earlier said he spoke to Doc and that we should be seeing Steimsma and Johnson tonight as he tries to give a breather to the big guys. Might see Moore as well he said.

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Mike Gorman on the Sports Hub earlier said he spoke to Doc and that we should be seeing Steimsma and Johnson tonight as he tries to give a breather to the big guys. Might see Moore as well he said.

Nice!