Brandon Bass vs big baby davis

[td450]

It must be a bit of an adjustment inside going from having a threat like Dwight Howard as your center to playing with just about no threat. I'm sure opposing centers are less likely to rotate off Howard to challenge other players.

[Fafnir]

The other thing to me is that Bass goes to the hoop with alot of aggression as opposed to Baby who tended to get to the rim and fade away or go for a reverse and get stuffed. Bass uses his body much more effectively. I think this is another reason why Bass is more efficient.

They both drew free throws at roughly the same rate last year, the both finished at the rim at near identical rates last year, they both took around 3 shots at the rim a game last year, and Bass was around 10% more accurate on his jump shots than Baby last year.

I don't think how he uses his body has much to do with it, its the fact that he makes all those long jump shots at a much better rate. Bass is been shooting more at the rim than he has in the past for his career but its still very early hopefully that continues.

[Brendan]

Not even close.

Better player. Better fit. Less expensive. Fewer years.

The only question is how good he plays on D. Davis's help D was superior, but I think Bass will compete. Man to man, I doubt there is a huge difference.

I'm guessing playing with KG instead of Howard will lead to more attempts at the rim.

[Greenbean]

The other thing to me is that Bass goes to the hoop with alot of aggression as opposed to Baby who tended to get to the rim and fade away or go for a reverse and get stuffed. Bass uses his body much more effectively. I think this is another reason why Bass is more efficient.

They both drew free throws at roughly the same rate last year, the both finished at the rim at near identical rates last year, they both took around 3 shots at the rim a game last year, and Bass was around 10% more accurate on his jump shots than Baby last year.

I don't think how he uses his body has much to do with it, its the fact that he makes all those long jump shots at a much better rate. Bass is been shooting more at the rim than he has in the past for his career but its still very early hopefully that continues.

Thanks Faf. TP.

It is interesting because he has the physical tools and the lift to get to the line more frequently and to finish with more efficiency than Baby. I think I also forgot how much baby used to flop around and end up on the floor after forrays to the hole.

 I kind of wish Clifford Ray were still here. If Bass introduced a couple of fakes into his bag of tricks he would be even more efficient.

[snively]

I do agree with most of the comments (Bass is a more efficient scorer, people enjoy dunks more, etc.).

Just wanted to point out that overall Bass is only "somewhat" better, yet Glen Davis seemed to get "exponentially" more flack in discussions here. Don't get me wrong, I thought we got a pretty good deal in that trade from a business standpoint, but it's curious how the perception of being a "fat dude who can't jump" can cause people to magnify one's deficiencies.

Bass is playing the exact same role (6th man, spread the floor 4) that Baby did and thus far he's been significantly better.  The elation is justified.

Once Bass' mid-range jump shooting goes through a lull, he'll attract some detractors.

[Fafnir]

Once Bass' mid-range jump shooting goes through a lull, he'll attract some detractors.

Especially if he doesn't move the ball well during those games. I was pretty happy with how he moved the ball last night, he could have forced a few more early shots.

[MBunge]

On the other hand, after people have been piling on Davis for the whole last year that he's a poor rebounder, it's funny to see Bass coming here and posting virtually identical rebounding numbers, and no-one on the blog says a word.

It's easier to forgive mediocre-to-poor rebounding when a player is able to finish around the rim.  I think everyone's problem with Baby begins with getting his shot blocked and blowing layups that should have been dunks.  That was such a glaring thing that it turned the spotlight on Baby every time he did something else wrong.

Mike

Brandon Bass has gotten stuffed on an astouding 31% of his inside shots this season. Just saying.

And if he continues to get blocked at that rate for the entire season and not just 6 games, you can believe people will complain about it.  Just like when Baby got 25% of his shots blocked for the entire 08-09 season.  In fact, I think I remember there was a point in that season where Baby was getting over 40% of his shots blocked.

And by the way, Baby is getting 25% of his shots blocked so far this season.

Mike

[ballin]

Glen Davis' defensive contributions are being massively exaggerated in this thread.

Here's a guy who can't get a defensive rebound or block a shot, and is too slow to guard PF's and too short to guard C's. He took charges for exactly the first 2 months and the season and then inexplicably stopped.

He might not have been the worst defender I've ever seen, but he certainly wasn't even above average.

[ScoobyDoo]

Really liking Bass over baby right now -

* I have a lot of confidence with Bass. I was always suprised when Baby's jumpers went in.

* Bass attacks the basket so much more aggressively and I'm liking it when he gathers and hammers it home under the rim.

* He's much more athletic and can actually A) get up and down the court with Rondo and B) Finish with a powerful dunk on the break. I don't think a lot of people want to get in Bass' way when he's headed for the rim.

* I think he's Ok defensively and will get "much"  better as the season goes on.

* He's not a great rebounder but he bangs and he goes after it at least and he has some hops to help

* He seems like a true lunch pale guy that adds some good toughness to our bench.

* Baby always seemed like a 290 lb ballerina to me - was never really willing to lay people out on their way to the rim. Bass isn't afraid to make mid air contact with guys headed for our rim - I like that.

* Great foul line jump shot as well.

[TheTruthFot18]

Whats really sad is that BBD was actually a decent fantasy option in a deep league and now hes fallen off completely. But ya Bass is so much easier to watch and just better overall player. Thank you Orlando

[scaryjerry]

Bass...even if he cant defend a chair or pass the ball like davis

[dtrader]

Bass gets his shot blocked (and has a lower fg% than you'd think), because he goes up regardless of who (or how many) defenders are around him.  If baby were surrounded by 3 players in the deep post, he'd probably look to pass.  Bass will try to dunk on all 3.  So either he gets stuffed (and usually gets his own rebound after), or he misses, or he dunks on all 3.  Basically Bass gets blocked when he's outnumbered, while baby got blocked cuz he was outjumped.

And that's good basketball? I'd say that Davis is doing the right thing in this example, and Bass isn't.

I wasnt talking about good or bad basketball.  I'm just addressing why each gets blocked, and explaining that the raw percentages being similar, shouldnt be taken to indicate that they are equal finishers.  Bass is a far better finisher IMO.  As far as their decision making...I dont know if either plays "good basketball" in that regard =/

[Kiorrik]

"and has a lower fg% than you'd think"

He's 28th in the league... Rondo and Ray are higher up then he is. I think his FG% is just fine.

[j804]

The other thing to me is that Bass goes to the hoop with alot of aggression as opposed to Baby who tended to get to the rim and fade away or go for a reverse and get stuffed. Bass uses his body much more effectively. I think this is another reason why Bass is more efficient.

They both drew free throws at roughly the same rate last year, the both finished at the rim at near identical rates last year, they both took around 3 shots at the rim a game last year, and Bass was around 10% more accurate on his jump shots than Baby last year.

I don't think how he uses his body has much to do with it, its the fact that he makes all those long jump shots at a much better rate. Bass is been shooting more at the rim than he has in the past for his career but its still very early hopefully that continues.

Bass is in a contract year isn't he? Look for him to continue being aggressive he is laying it all out there still playing within himself though and tons of heart

[KJ33]

Once Bass' mid-range jump shooting goes through a lull, he'll attract some detractors.

Especially if he doesn't move the ball well during those games. I was pretty happy with how he moved the ball last night, he could have forced a few more early shots.

I agree with how he moved the ball, not just last night, but in many of the games.  I think the "No Pass Bass" nickname is a bit simplistic, as he has been passing the ball as part of the C's offense, he just doesn't get many assists.  But his role off the bench is to score, think about how much criticism KG gets for passing up shots in order to get an assist.  The Celts don't want Bass being a facilitator, they want him to be a finisher.  He is more than a willing passer when he is reversing the ball at the high post then following his pass to go set a screen for the wing.