Brandon Bass vs big baby davis

[MBunge]

On the other hand, after people have been piling on Davis for the whole last year that he's a poor rebounder, it's funny to see Bass coming here and posting virtually identical rebounding numbers, and no-one on the blog says a word.

It's easier to forgive mediocre-to-poor rebounding when a player is able to finish around the rim.  I think everyone's problem with Baby begins with getting his shot blocked and blowing layups that should have been dunks.  That was such a glaring thing that it turned the spotlight on Baby every time he did something else wrong.

Mike

[Snakehead]

The one thing I hope Bass improves on so far from what I've watched is to pass out of the post when he is drawing multiple defenders.  I love his finishing ability and he certainly holds his own physically, but some of his slower post moves and his lack of height make him an easy target for help shot blockers, especially ones coming from the perimeter.  Once he draws those guys in, he can kick out to Ray or Pierce or whoever is open.

He did do this once last night to KG, who passed to Ray for a three, so I think he's starting to catch the extra pass fever we have on this team that I've always loved.

Big fan of Bass though he has been great for us.

[Lord of Mikawa]

There really is no comparison. Bass is more of a complete player. I admit I was a fan of his when he was in Orlando so when the C's picked him up I was very excited. BBD never had the desire to fill a role designed for him. I hope he will look at his NBA Championship ring hard because that is the only one he will ever get.

[Fafnir]

On the other hand, after people have been piling on Davis for the whole last year that he's a poor rebounder, it's funny to see Bass coming here and posting virtually identical rebounding numbers, and no-one on the blog says a word.

Eh when we first got him I think it was said repeatedly that he was a slightly better rebounder but still deficient.

Bass has been exactly as advertised so far, similar rebounder (Bass clocking in at 1 rebound per/36 better as he has for most of his career), better offensive player, and slightly worse defender. (though most of that is blown rotations and that has improved even in 6 games)

[the_Bird]

The one thing I hope Bass improves on so far from what I've watched is to pass out of the post when he is drawing multiple defenders.  I love his finishing ability and he certainly holds his own physically, but some of his slower post moves and his lack of height make him an easy target for help shot blockers, especially ones coming from the perimeter.  Once he draws those guys in, he can kick out to Ray or Pierce or whoever is open.

He did do this once last night to KG, who passed to Ray for a three, so I think he's starting to catch the extra pass fever we have on this team that I've always loved.

Big fan of Bass though he has been great for us.

Well, that was the knock against "No Pass Bass," and why it seems some Orlando fans were willing to let him go.  He's a bit of a black hole, and a middling defender/rebounder.  That seemed to be the book on him from the Orlando side, and it seems to be holding mostly true in his short time here.

Still, I'm estatic about this trade.  It's one thing to be a black hole who can finish (Bass), it's another to be one who can't (Baby).  The defense, well, we'll see whether he gets better, I'm not counting on much but the system has turned other mediocre defenders into good defenders before.  

Plus, he's on a very team-friendly contract.  Better player on a better contract; that NEVER happens with a sign and trade!

[kozlodoev]

On the other hand, after people have been piling on Davis for the whole last year that he's a poor rebounder, it's funny to see Bass coming here and posting virtually identical rebounding numbers, and no-one on the blog says a word.

It's easier to forgive mediocre-to-poor rebounding when a player is able to finish around the rim.  I think everyone's problem with Baby begins with getting his shot blocked and blowing layups that should have been dunks.  That was such a glaring thing that it turned the spotlight on Baby every time he did something else wrong.

Mike

Brandon Bass has gotten stuffed on an astouding 31% of his inside shots this season. Just saying.

[Who]

On the other hand, after people have been piling on Davis for the whole last year that he's a poor rebounder, it's funny to see Bass coming here and posting virtually identical rebounding numbers, and no-one on the blog says a word.

You get a lot of leeway when you are scoring the ball the way Bass has been.

Bass has been both prolific (13.8ppg in 28mpg) and hugely efficient (extremely low turnover numbers, just 3 in 170 minutes + strong FG% at 53% and a solid FT% at 79%). He has been one of the most effective scoring role players in the league (so far). 

[Fafnir]

On the other hand, after people have been piling on Davis for the whole last year that he's a poor rebounder, it's funny to see Bass coming here and posting virtually identical rebounding numbers, and no-one on the blog says a word.

It's easier to forgive mediocre-to-poor rebounding when a player is able to finish around the rim.  I think everyone's problem with Baby begins with getting his shot blocked and blowing layups that should have been dunks.  That was such a glaring thing that it turned the spotlight on Baby every time he did something else wrong.

Mike

Brandon Bass has gotten stuffed on 31% of his inside shots this season. That's not very good at all. Just saying.

People enjoy dunks more than layups, it leaves a different impression. So far Bass is a pedestrian 52.4% at the rim for the year.

Its the fact that he's a much better jump shooter that makes him the superior offensive player, and he's delivered on that.

[dtrader]

On the other hand, after people have been piling on Davis for the whole last year that he's a poor rebounder, it's funny to see Bass coming here and posting virtually identical rebounding numbers, and no-one on the blog says a word.

It's easier to forgive mediocre-to-poor rebounding when a player is able to finish around the rim.  I think everyone's problem with Baby begins with getting his shot blocked and blowing layups that should have been dunks.  That was such a glaring thing that it turned the spotlight on Baby every time he did something else wrong.

Mike

Brandon Bass has gotten stuffed on an astouding 31% of his inside shots this season. Just saying.

Bass gets his shot blocked (and has a lower fg% than you'd think), because he goes up regardless of who (or how many) defenders are around him.  If baby were surrounded by 3 players in the deep post, he'd probably look to pass.  Bass will try to dunk on all 3.  So either he gets stuffed (and usually gets his own rebound after), or he misses, or he dunks on all 3.  Basically Bass gets blocked when he's outnumbered, while baby got blocked cuz he was outjumped.

[kozlodoev]

I do agree with most of the comments (Bass is a more efficient scorer, people enjoy dunks more, etc.).

Just wanted to point out that overall Bass is only "somewhat" better, yet Glen Davis seemed to get "exponentially" more flack in discussions here. Don't get me wrong, I thought we got a pretty good deal in that trade from a business standpoint, but it's curious how the perception of being a "fat dude who can't jump" can cause people to magnify one's deficiencies.

[kozlodoev]

Bass gets his shot blocked (and has a lower fg% than you'd think), because he goes up regardless of who (or how many) defenders are around him.  If baby were surrounded by 3 players in the deep post, he'd probably look to pass.  Bass will try to dunk on all 3.  So either he gets stuffed (and usually gets his own rebound after), or he misses, or he dunks on all 3.  Basically Bass gets blocked when he's outnumbered, while baby got blocked cuz he was outjumped.

And that's good basketball? I'd say that Davis is doing the right thing in this example, and Bass isn't.

[SHAQATTACK]

Bass is just what this team needed and I can see the appreciation and excitment Bass brings to his older teammates.  When he grabs the ball (something is going to happen) he is decisive , determined and unafraid to challenge who ever is around the rim.  He plays 4 inch taller than he is.  

BBD, on the other hand, is willing to mix it up under the rim as well. Beat and bang with his bulk. But, BBD can't do anything with the ball inside the paint to score. Baby could hustle rolling on the floor for a ball or take a charge , but thats about it. He took way too many shots from outside.

One can jump and the other can't , if your not 7ft tall in the NBA ,then you gotta be able to jump .

Thats why I've named the BBD the " Incredible Bulk" .

[Snakehead]

I do agree with most of the comments (Bass is a more efficient scorer, people enjoy dunks more, etc.).

Just wanted to point out that overall Bass is only "somewhat" better, yet Glen Davis seemed to get "exponentially" more flack in discussions here. Don't get me wrong, I thought we got a pretty good deal in that trade from a business standpoint, but it's curious how the perception of being a "fat dude who can't jump" can cause people to magnify one's deficiencies.

I think you're glossing over all the headcase issues.  BBD thinks he is a starter (and posisbly thinks he's a future HOF how he talks) when he is at best a career 6th man.  And that's fine, but not to him I guess.

[Greenbean]

On the other hand, after people have been piling on Davis for the whole last year that he's a poor rebounder, it's funny to see Bass coming here and posting virtually identical rebounding numbers, and no-one on the blog says a word.

It's easier to forgive mediocre-to-poor rebounding when a player is able to finish around the rim.  I think everyone's problem with Baby begins with getting his shot blocked and blowing layups that should have been dunks.  That was such a glaring thing that it turned the spotlight on Baby every time he did something else wrong.

Mike

Brandon Bass has gotten stuffed on 31% of his inside shots this season. That's not very good at all. Just saying.

People enjoy dunks more than layups, it leaves a different impression. So far Bass is a pedestrian 52.4% at the rim for the year.

Its the fact that he's a much better jump shooter that makes him the superior offensive player, and he's delivered on that.

The other thing to me is that Bass goes to the hoop with alot of aggression as opposed to Baby who tended to get to the rim and fade away or go for a reverse and get stuffed. Bass uses his body much more effectively. I think this is another reason why Bass is more efficient.

I surprised to see him getting blocked so often but I suspect it may even out. What are his career numbers for own shots blocked?

[Snakehead]

On the other hand, after people have been piling on Davis for the whole last year that he's a poor rebounder, it's funny to see Bass coming here and posting virtually identical rebounding numbers, and no-one on the blog says a word.

It's easier to forgive mediocre-to-poor rebounding when a player is able to finish around the rim.  I think everyone's problem with Baby begins with getting his shot blocked and blowing layups that should have been dunks.  That was such a glaring thing that it turned the spotlight on Baby every time he did something else wrong.

Mike

Brandon Bass has gotten stuffed on 31% of his inside shots this season. That's not very good at all. Just saying.

People enjoy dunks more than layups, it leaves a different impression. So far Bass is a pedestrian 52.4% at the rim for the year.

Its the fact that he's a much better jump shooter that makes him the superior offensive player, and he's delivered on that.

The other thing to me is that Bass goes to the hoop with alot of aggression as opposed to Baby who tended to get to the rim and fade away or go for a reverse and get stuffed. Bass uses his body much more effectively. I think this is another reason why Bass is more efficient.

I surprised to see him getting blocked so often but I suspect it may even out. What are his career numbers for own shots blocked?

I know last year with the Magic they were virtually identical to BBD.  I hope he just starts to pass out because he does do such a good job of drawing defenders.  It's routine to see three around him.  I feel like it's the slow nature of how his post moves develop and his unwillingness to pass out that cause his shots to be blocked, while for BBD it is how weak he actually takes it up.

I would be interested to see a comparison of the conditions of the times their shots get blocked respectively.  I feel like with Bass you'd see a lot of situations where there are 3 defenders around him while BBD would get blocked a lot in one on one situaitons with a defender.