Brandon Bass vs big baby davis

[LB3533]

Bass is solid, but I don't think he brings nearly enough energy that BBD does.

BBD is and can be an X-Factor.

Bass is a solid role player who will not fail his role regularly.

I've already seen plenty of moments of hustle and energy from Bass, and I expect those to increase as he becomes more and more comfortable with his new role and teammates.

I am not denying that Bass isn't energetic. He is.

But his energy isn't nearly as impactful (so far, 2 preseason games is very small sample size) than BBD.

I think BBD is more clutch and his energy is more impactful because it can elevate the team's spirit.

I just don't think Bass has that personality...he's much more of a smooth player, a la Jeff Green.

[LB3533]

Well, it seems old baby has put new effort into hs new team, he put up 18 points in orlando....a nice contributon, something we had seen....sometimes when he was here. Constant production or any form of consistancy was not his strong point, besides not knowing his role       Bass, on the other hand, is doing what we saw him do in orlando, driving, rebounding, easily dunking and elevating, NOT getting his shot blocked, and moving well without the ball. YES, one game, not enough to make any decisions regarding the two...lets keep an eye on this comparison..I am quite sure BBD will go back to being who he is....overweight, lazy, "temperMENTAL " no rebounds, while Bass will grow into a solid "in the paint" type..i bet he could average 10 points and 10 rebounds easy..! And does he look overweight....hahah, not even close...!

More evidence how people fall for the superficial. Points, dunking, not getting their shot blocked...

Bass is currently a marginal defensive contributor on our team. He's two steps slow on everything, was losing his man in regularity, and showed rudimentary ability to provide help defense. Sure, maybe he'll improve, but at this point it looks like we got what we paid for. It's an open question whether what we got is what we need.

I 50% agree with you.

Baby was a better help defender for us but very inconsistently.

His whole game lacked consistency.

At least Bass is consistent offensively, and if he can learn help defense, which is teachable, I think he could be consistent there too.

Witout a doubt though, Bass is an upgrade on offense and rebounding, downgrade on defense...for now.

I honestly think Bsby's game is very consistent.

He got injured last year and then got fatter. He was never able to reclaim the higher level of play that he was producing earlier in the season of last year.

[Snakehead]

Well, it seems old baby has put new effort into hs new team, he put up 18 points in orlando....a nice contributon, something we had seen....sometimes when he was here. Constant production or any form of consistancy was not his strong point, besides not knowing his role       Bass, on the other hand, is doing what we saw him do in orlando, driving, rebounding, easily dunking and elevating, NOT getting his shot blocked, and moving well without the ball. YES, one game, not enough to make any decisions regarding the two...lets keep an eye on this comparison..I am quite sure BBD will go back to being who he is....overweight, lazy, "temperMENTAL " no rebounds, while Bass will grow into a solid "in the paint" type..i bet he could average 10 points and 10 rebounds easy..! And does he look overweight....hahah, not even close...!

More evidence how people fall for the superficial. Points, dunking, not getting their shot blocked...

Bass is currently a marginal defensive contributor on our team. He's two steps slow on everything, was losing his man in regularity, and showed rudimentary ability to provide help defense. Sure, maybe he'll improve, but at this point it looks like we got what we paid for. It's an open question whether what we got is what we need.

I 50% agree with you.

Baby was a better help defender for us but very inconsistently.

His whole game lacked consistency.

At least Bass is consistent offensively, and if he can learn help defense, which is teachable, I think he could be consistent there too.

Witout a doubt though, Bass is an upgrade on offense and rebounding, downgrade on defense...for now.

I honestly think Bsby's game is very consistent.

He got injured last year and then got fatter. He was never able to reclaim the higher level of play that he was producing earlier in the season of last year.

If you get fat during the season, I count that against your consistency.  Maintain a consistent weight please.

And personally I don't buy that as the sole reason for his drop off.  I think all his headcase issues built up to where it just became a big issue.  He simply didn't know his role.  I'd be interested to see if stats back me up but his shot selection seemed to just get worse and worse.  No thank you to the step back jumpers and fadaway shots he would put up.

When he talked about being out of KGs shadow now and showing what he can do, you would think he wasn't talking about probably the best PF of all time.  I look forward to playing the Magic and seeing him get put in his place to be honest.

[kozlodoev]

Defensively, Davis was fairly consistent. As far as offense is concerned, that's a different story. I just wanted to point out that Bass isn't the full package either -- so it depends on whose contribution you value more, and whether it's worth the difference in salary.

[Snakehead]

Defensively, Davis was fairly consistent. As far as offense is concerned, that's a different story. I just wanted to point out that Bass isn't the full package either -- so it depends on whose contribution you value more, and whether it's worth the difference in salary.

That is fair, but I do value the offense more off the bench because we desperately need it (especially now that we no longer have Green this year) and for so much less it's a no brainer.  The fact that Bass will definitely opt out of his full length of the contract to get paid also fits perfectly in our plans to remain flexible to rebuild the team.

Regardless, I think Big Baby's issues with Doc and the team were something that would not be fixed.  So Bass it is and I am happy about that personally.

[Fafnir]

Well, it seems old baby has put new effort into hs new team, he put up 18 points in orlando....a nice contributon, something we had seen....sometimes when he was here. Constant production or any form of consistancy was not his strong point, besides not knowing his role       Bass, on the other hand, is doing what we saw him do in orlando, driving, rebounding, easily dunking and elevating, NOT getting his shot blocked, and moving well without the ball. YES, one game, not enough to make any decisions regarding the two...lets keep an eye on this comparison..I am quite sure BBD will go back to being who he is....overweight, lazy, "temperMENTAL " no rebounds, while Bass will grow into a solid "in the paint" type..i bet he could average 10 points and 10 rebounds easy..! And does he look overweight....hahah, not even close...!

More evidence how people fall for the superficial. Points, dunking, not getting their shot blocked...

Bass is currently a marginal defensive contributor on our team. He's two steps slow on everything, was losing his man in regularity, and showed rudimentary ability to provide help defense. Sure, maybe he'll improve, but at this point it looks like we got what we paid for. It's an open question whether what we got is what we need.

Points and not getting your shot blocked are superficial?  Points win the games.  Big Baby's inability to finish strong (with dunks, yes they do actually have value) took points off the board for us.

Glen Davis shot 63% at the rim last year, Brandon Bass shot 66% at the rim last year.

Davis was a better finisher than you'd think from how often his shot ends up getting blocked.

[D Dub]

Well, it seems old baby has put new effort into hs new team, he put up 18 points in orlando....a nice contributon, something we had seen....sometimes when he was here. Constant production or any form of consistancy was not his strong point, besides not knowing his role       Bass, on the other hand, is doing what we saw him do in orlando, driving, rebounding, easily dunking and elevating, NOT getting his shot blocked, and moving well without the ball. YES, one game, not enough to make any decisions regarding the two...lets keep an eye on this comparison..I am quite sure BBD will go back to being who he is....overweight, lazy, "temperMENTAL " no rebounds, while Bass will grow into a solid "in the paint" type..i bet he could average 10 points and 10 rebounds easy..! And does he look overweight....hahah, not even close...!

More evidence how people fall for the superficial. Points, dunking, not getting their shot blocked...

Bass is currently a marginal defensive contributor on our team. He's two steps slow on everything, was losing his man in regularity, and showed rudimentary ability to provide help defense. Sure, maybe he'll improve, but at this point it looks like we got what we paid for. It's an open question whether what we got is what we need.

Points and not getting your shot blocked are superficial?  Points win the games.  Big Baby's inability to finish strong (with dunks, yes they do actually have value) took points off the board for us.

Glen Davis shot 63% at the rim last year, Brandon Bass shot 66% at the rim last year.

Davis was a better finisher than you'd think from how often his shot ends up getting blocked.

doesn't hurt having the L's best passer setting you up.  I think he'll struggle in the paint this year w/ Nelson feeding him.

[Snakehead]

Well, it seems old baby has put new effort into hs new team, he put up 18 points in orlando....a nice contributon, something we had seen....sometimes when he was here. Constant production or any form of consistancy was not his strong point, besides not knowing his role       Bass, on the other hand, is doing what we saw him do in orlando, driving, rebounding, easily dunking and elevating, NOT getting his shot blocked, and moving well without the ball. YES, one game, not enough to make any decisions regarding the two...lets keep an eye on this comparison..I am quite sure BBD will go back to being who he is....overweight, lazy, "temperMENTAL " no rebounds, while Bass will grow into a solid "in the paint" type..i bet he could average 10 points and 10 rebounds easy..! And does he look overweight....hahah, not even close...!

More evidence how people fall for the superficial. Points, dunking, not getting their shot blocked...

Bass is currently a marginal defensive contributor on our team. He's two steps slow on everything, was losing his man in regularity, and showed rudimentary ability to provide help defense. Sure, maybe he'll improve, but at this point it looks like we got what we paid for. It's an open question whether what we got is what we need.

Points and not getting your shot blocked are superficial?  Points win the games.  Big Baby's inability to finish strong (with dunks, yes they do actually have value) took points off the board for us.

Glen Davis shot 63% at the rim last year, Brandon Bass shot 66% at the rim last year.

Davis was a better finisher than you'd think from how often his shot ends up getting blocked.

doesn't hurt having the L's best passer setting you up.  I think he'll struggle in the paint this year w/ Nelson feeding him.

That stat is surprising Faf but D Dub makes a great point.  I'll be interested to see the stats comparatively after both have played with Rondo.

[Fafnir]

doesn't hurt having the L's best passer setting you up.  I think he'll struggle in the paint this year w/ Nelson feeding him.

He shot 51% two years ago, 59% his second year, and 54% as a rookie.

I don't think Rondo's passing has a lot to do with his FG% down there, rather its his comfort finishing and his fitness level.

[Snakehead]

doesn't hurt having the L's best passer setting you up.  I think he'll struggle in the paint this year w/ Nelson feeding him.

He shot 51% two years ago, 59% his second year, and 54% as a rookie.

I don't think Rondo's passing has a lot to do with his FG% down there, rather its his comfort finishing and his fitness level.

I don't see why the quality of your PG wouldn't help your FG % around the rim.  In addition to playing alongside a big like KG who spreads the floor (while Howard doesn't).

[Interceptor]

doesn't hurt having the L's best passer setting you up.  I think he'll struggle in the paint this year w/ Nelson feeding him.

Which also shows up in the stats, to some extent. More of BBD's baskets at the rim last year were assisted on, compared to Bass. Let's see how BBD's numbers look on a team without the extra pass.

[Fafnir]

doesn't hurt having the L's best passer setting you up.  I think he'll struggle in the paint this year w/ Nelson feeding him.

He shot 51% two years ago, 59% his second year, and 54% as a rookie.

I don't think Rondo's passing has a lot to do with his FG% down there, rather its his comfort finishing and his fitness level.

I don't see why the quality of your PG wouldn't help your FG % around the rim.  In addition to playing alongside a big like KG who spreads the floor (while Howard doesn't).

I think an elite PG creates more chances at the rim, more than he effects your overall percentage of conversions.

[TheReaLPuba]

Baby is the better overall player. Maybe the C's didn't feel he was worth the money so they had to go in a different direction.

Bass has his strengths but that's most on the offensive side of the ball.

He might be a more consistent spot up shooter over Baby.

He def. jumps higher...but rebounding has never been about how high you jump.

He'll dunk a lot more than BBD that's for sure. I'm not sure about blocked shots though.

Defensively is where I'm worried about.

Can Bass be helpful on the defensive end?

Baby for all his warts was a pretty good team defender and was able to play the 5 on defense at times.

Bass has capabilities to be a good defender so we should just wait and see.

[Fafnir]

He def. jumps higher...but rebounding has never been about how high you jump.

Offense is half of the game, and Bass is actually a better rebounder than Davis.

His defense worries me to a small extent, but its not like BBD was able to anchor the defense without KG protecting the rim for him either.

[kozlodoev]

Points and not getting your shot blocked are superficial?  Points win the games.  Big Baby's inability to finish strong (with dunks, yes they do actually have value) took points off the board for us.

Yes, "points win the games" is exactly the type of superficial approach I'm talking about. What wins you games is the scoring more points than the opposition... which has 2 components: (a) scoring points, and (b) preventing the opposition from scoring points.

The typical belief is that (b) is more important than (a), as evidenced by the success of recent Celtics and Spurs teams, and the failure of recent Suns teams, to name a few.