Brandon Bass vs big baby davis

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Well, it seems old baby has put new effort into hs new team, he put up 18 points in orlando....a nice contributon, something we had seen....sometimes when he was here. Constant production or any form of consistancy was not his strong point, besides not knowing his role       Bass, on the other hand, is doing what we saw him do in orlando, driving, rebounding, easily dunking and elevating, NOT getting his shot blocked, and moving well without the ball. YES, one game, not enough to make any decisions regarding the two...lets keep an eye on this comparison..I am quite sure BBD will go back to being who he is....overweight, lazy, "temperMENTAL " no rebounds, while Bass will grow into a solid "in the paint" type..i bet he could average 10 points and 10 rebounds easy..! And does he look overweight....hahah, not even close...!

[Snakehead]

It was a great, great move for us.

First of all, the pay.  Bass is a steal at 4 mill and BBD just got overpaid and for a lengthy contract.  Enough said.

I like Bass' game a lot, he is a better finisher than I thought he was (surprising ups) and his jumper is nice and he takes it when he's open and doesn't force it.  You won't see any step backs or spin away fading jump shots like Big Baby shoots.

BBD did fine last night, but I don't make much of it.  And even if he keeps this up, he is still overpaid and he had severely worn out his welcome in Boston.  It was a relationship that had to end and I am very happy we made this move.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

It was a great, great move for us.

First of all, the pay.  Bass is a steal at 4 mill and BBD just got overpaid and for a lengthy contract.  Enough said.

I like Bass' game a lot, he is a better finisher than I thought he was (surprising ups) and his jumper is nice and he takes it when he's open and doesn't force it.  You won't see any step backs or spin away fading jump shots like Big Baby shoots.

BBD did fine last night, but I don't make much of it.  And even if he keeps this up, he is still overpaid and he had severely worn out his welcome in Boston.  It was a relationship that had to end and I am very happy we made this move.

Well said..!

[LB3533]

Bass is solid, but I don't think he brings nearly enough energy that BBD does.

BBD is and can be an X-Factor.

Bass is a solid role player who will not fail his role regularly.

[Roy H.]

Bass is solid, but I don't think he brings nearly enough energy that BBD does.

BBD is and can be an X-Factor.

Bass is a solid role player who will not fail his role regularly.

I've already seen plenty of moments of hustle and energy from Bass, and I expect those to increase as he becomes more and more comfortable with his new role and teammates.

[Snakehead]

Bass is solid, but I don't think he brings nearly enough energy that BBD does.

BBD is and can be an X-Factor.

Bass is a solid role player who will not fail his role regularly.

I've already seen plenty of moments of hustle and energy from Bass, and I expect those to increase as he becomes more and more comfortable with his new role and teammates.

Agreed especially in the open court.  Like I said I have been surprised by his ability to finish, but also to run the court with Rondo. He has already proven to be a nice target for Rondo to dump off to for a dunk and that will only improve as chemsitry grows between the two. 

That's not something BBD brought to the team.

[Interceptor]

Looking forward to Bass getting used to playing with Rondo, I laughed out loud at all of those passes in the preseason games that bounced right out of his hands because he wasn't expecting them. KG will get in his face about his team D, if he hasn't already. Loving this team and trade so far.

I am a little bit sad that Baby only got 26M/4yrs. I understand that it was the max we could do with a sign and trade, but still, it would have been much better if he could have gotten Ray Allen money on his way out. You know, so that it would become even more impossible for the Magic to keep Dwight.

[bbd24]

Bass is solid, but I don't think he brings nearly enough energy that BBD does.

BBD is and can be an X-Factor.

Bass is a solid role player who will not fail his role regularly.

I've already seen plenty of moments of hustle and energy from Bass, and I expect those to increase as he becomes more and more comfortable with his new role and teammates.

How about Rebounding ?  Is he better than BBD there ?

The area that hindered us the most with BBD out there last year was Rebounding.  We have to rebound better and I believe Bass is flat out better there ( as well as being more accurate from 15-18 ft out ).

[Neurotic Guy]

Looking forward to Bass getting used to playing with Rondo, I laughed out loud at all of those passes in the preseason games that bounced right out of his hands because he wasn't expecting them. KG will get in his face about his team D, if he hasn't already. Loving this team and trade so far.

I am a little bit sad that Baby only got 26M/4yrs. I understand that it was the max we could do with a sign and trade, but still, it would have been much better if he could have gotten Ray Allen money on his way out. You know, so that it would become even more impossible for the Magic to keep Dwight.

I want the Magic to keep Dwight.  I don't see a scenario that makes Boston a likely home for DH, so I much prefer him in Orlando with BBD than out West with the team that shall not be named.

[Snakehead]

Looking forward to Bass getting used to playing with Rondo, I laughed out loud at all of those passes in the preseason games that bounced right out of his hands because he wasn't expecting them.

There was one of those last night.  It was kind of a crazy pass, it was a bounce pass that was almost a dribble back up into his hand by Rondo, but he angled it so it would find Bass to his right who was trailing a little bit and it bounced off his hands.  He'll see those coming eventually.

[kozlodoev]

Well, it seems old baby has put new effort into hs new team, he put up 18 points in orlando....a nice contributon, something we had seen....sometimes when he was here. Constant production or any form of consistancy was not his strong point, besides not knowing his role       Bass, on the other hand, is doing what we saw him do in orlando, driving, rebounding, easily dunking and elevating, NOT getting his shot blocked, and moving well without the ball. YES, one game, not enough to make any decisions regarding the two...lets keep an eye on this comparison..I am quite sure BBD will go back to being who he is....overweight, lazy, "temperMENTAL " no rebounds, while Bass will grow into a solid "in the paint" type..i bet he could average 10 points and 10 rebounds easy..! And does he look overweight....hahah, not even close...!

More evidence how people fall for the superficial. Points, dunking, not getting their shot blocked...

Bass is currently a marginal defensive contributor on our team. He's two steps slow on everything, was losing his man in regularity, and showed rudimentary ability to provide help defense. Sure, maybe he'll improve, but at this point it looks like we got what we paid for. It's an open question whether what we got is what we need.

[jgod213]

love the deal, but one thing that we lost was the charge-taking-machine that was big baby.  that type of stuff gets into opponent's heads and eventually into pregame scouting reports...anytime you can make an offensive player think twice about driving the lane its a big plus.

Saw this chart on http://weaksideawareness.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/taking-charges-offensive-fouls-drawn-in-2010-11/.  Don't know how accurate or consistent the stat-keeping for this stuff is, but regardless, at the very least it appears on paper that Baby is a significantly better help defender.


  Name                 Games  Minutes  Charges drawn
Glen Davis  (BOS)        78     2298          54
Brandon Bass(ORL)    76   1980            4

[snively]

Looking forward to Bass getting used to playing with Rondo, I laughed out loud at all of those passes in the preseason games that bounced right out of his hands because he wasn't expecting them.

There was one of those last night.  It was kind of a crazy pass, it was a bounce pass that was almost a dribble back up into his hand by Rondo, but he angled it so it would find Bass to his right who was trailing a little bit and it bounced off his hands.  He'll see those coming eventually.

Everyone goes through this with Rondo.  They don't call his game unorthodox for no reason.

[Greenbean]

Well, it seems old baby has put new effort into hs new team, he put up 18 points in orlando....a nice contributon, something we had seen....sometimes when he was here. Constant production or any form of consistancy was not his strong point, besides not knowing his role       Bass, on the other hand, is doing what we saw him do in orlando, driving, rebounding, easily dunking and elevating, NOT getting his shot blocked, and moving well without the ball. YES, one game, not enough to make any decisions regarding the two...lets keep an eye on this comparison..I am quite sure BBD will go back to being who he is....overweight, lazy, "temperMENTAL " no rebounds, while Bass will grow into a solid "in the paint" type..i bet he could average 10 points and 10 rebounds easy..! And does he look overweight....hahah, not even close...!

More evidence how people fall for the superficial. Points, dunking, not getting their shot blocked...

Bass is currently a marginal defensive contributor on our team. He's two steps slow on everything, was losing his man in regularity, and showed rudimentary ability to provide help defense. Sure, maybe he'll improve, but at this point it looks like we got what we paid for. It's an open question whether what we got is what we need.

I 50% agree with you.

Baby was a better help defender for us but very inconsistently.

His whole game lacked consistency.

At least Bass is consistent offensively, and if he can learn help defense, which is teachable, I think he could be consistent there too.

Witout a doubt though, Bass is an upgrade on offense and rebounding, downgrade on defense...for now.

[Snakehead]

Well, it seems old baby has put new effort into hs new team, he put up 18 points in orlando....a nice contributon, something we had seen....sometimes when he was here. Constant production or any form of consistancy was not his strong point, besides not knowing his role       Bass, on the other hand, is doing what we saw him do in orlando, driving, rebounding, easily dunking and elevating, NOT getting his shot blocked, and moving well without the ball. YES, one game, not enough to make any decisions regarding the two...lets keep an eye on this comparison..I am quite sure BBD will go back to being who he is....overweight, lazy, "temperMENTAL " no rebounds, while Bass will grow into a solid "in the paint" type..i bet he could average 10 points and 10 rebounds easy..! And does he look overweight....hahah, not even close...!

More evidence how people fall for the superficial. Points, dunking, not getting their shot blocked...

Bass is currently a marginal defensive contributor on our team. He's two steps slow on everything, was losing his man in regularity, and showed rudimentary ability to provide help defense. Sure, maybe he'll improve, but at this point it looks like we got what we paid for. It's an open question whether what we got is what we need.

Points and not getting your shot blocked are superficial?  Points win the games.  Big Baby's inability to finish strong (with dunks, yes they do actually have value) took points off the board for us.

Bass doesn't know our defensive scheme at all, that takes time, notice that every new player that comes to our team usually says one of their biggest adjustments is getting used to our defensive scheme.

I would take a lesser defensive player for a much better offensive one anyways.  We are always a great defensive team, our offense has gotten worse (we are middle of the road at best on offense overall) and Bass will help.