Can Brandon Bass be a part of the C's future?

[kozlodoev]

Finally his rebounding has been below average for a starting PF his entire career and was even below average this year until he had a great game last night and got 12 boards against the Nets.

I think when we're talking about his rebounding rate for his "entire career", it's worth noting that 1) he's 26 years old, 2) he spent the last two seasons on a team with Howard and Gortat, and 3) only one guy can get the ball.

AND it was 13 not 12.

Yeah, those 13 boards raised his average to the mammoth 6.5 rebounds in 30 minutes of action. Still below average.

[Fafnir]

Finally his rebounding has been below average for a starting PF his entire career and was even below average this year until he had a great game last night and got 12 boards against the Nets.

I think when we're talking about his rebounding rate for his "entire career", it's worth noting that 1) he's 26 years old, 2) he spent the last two seasons on a team with Howard and Gortat, and 3) only one guy can get the ball.

AND it was 13 not 12.

Yeah, those 13 boards raised his average to the mammoth 6.5 rebounds in 30 minutes of action. Still below average.

For a point of reference an average PF is around 12 rebounds per 48 minutes, so a rebound every four minutes.

Now thats weighted by minute rather than body. So a bench guy like Bass at 6.5 per 30, or a rebound every 4.5 minutes is acceptable for a bench player who contributes like Bass does.

[TA9]

YES!
His Mid Range game is MONEY! He is dang athletic, resign this guy for a longterm deal!
Make it happen Danny!

[ManUp]

Assuming we strike out on  the 2012 free agency big names I think resigning him would be one of our better options. I'd offer him the deal Baby got maybe a little better, but not much more. I think a player like Bass can be a nice tradeable piece as long as we are careful not to turn him into a bad contract. However, I don't think he's a player that makes it through a rebuild phase. He's the kind of guy play-off teams and contenders value and might part with late first rounders and talented projects for.

[bbd24]

YES!
His Mid Range game is MONEY! He is dang athletic, resign this guy for a longterm deal!
Make it happen Danny!

Exactly.  He's still young, hungry, and fits well in Doc's offensive scheme.  He also will open the floor more as teams can't just help off of him when a Pierce or somebody drives.  His ability to hit that open jumper creates openings for others.

[Interceptor]

He posted basically the same numbers his two years in Dallas as well. One of those years Jason Kidd out rebounded him....

Brandon Bass in his third and fourth years in the NBA (first two being seriously used), getting out-rebounded by basically the best rebounding PG in the league, but only on DRs (Bass smoked him on ORs). I'm OK with this.

He's played minutes for top defensive rebounding teams his four years of being a rotation player, so he certainly could see a bump playing for the C's but the diminshing returns on defensive rebounding isn't big enough for him to suddenly become a strong rebounder.

I think it's way too premature to be coming to conclusions, here. We're only a few games into a new team for him. Rebounding is not FT%, where it's just you and the basket. The team's defensive system and positioning (how many rebs does he get if he's roaming the perimeter?), relative strength of other team rebounders on the floor, etc, all factors into his performance by the numbers.

I see the effort that the guy plays with, the height he jumps, and the way that he tears down the rebounds he DOES get, and while that's no predictor of future performance, it means that this soldier wouldn't be surprised if he did well with us. I'm willing to believe that being around elite rebounders had an impact on his numbers prior to coming here.

Although I don't know that everything is gravy for his stats now that he's here. My favorite line-up with Bass is when KG slides to the 5, and other than Ray, there are a lot of good rebounders for their position in that line-up.

[Fafnir]

Although I don't know that everything is gravy for his stats now that he's here. My favorite line-up with Bass is when KG slides to the 5, and other than Ray, there are a lot of good rebounders for their position in that line-up.

Three as far as defensive boards go, Rondo/Pierce/KG. But that's assuming that KG gets back to his form of last year which so far we've only seen flashes of.

Bass and Ray put a big burden on Pierce and KG in that line up on the defensive glass.

[cman88]

the funny thing is, hes averaging better stats than David West right now is in Indiana.

I wonder though if Bass is just a better player, or Orlando etc. didnt use him the way to best utilize him. seems hes having his best season so far with Boston

[Interceptor]

Bass and Ray put a big burden on Pierce and KG in that line up on the defensive glass.

Ray does, sure. Remains to be seen when it comes to Bass.

I wonder though if Bass is just a better player, or Orlando etc. didnt use him the way to best utilize him. seems hes having his best season so far with Boston

I think it's because Bass is such a good fit for this team that he's doing as well as he is. Great skillset and attitude.

[bbd24]

the funny thing is, hes averaging better stats than David West right now is in Indiana.

I wonder though if Bass is just a better player, or Orlando etc. didnt use him the way to best utilize him. seems hes having his best season so far with Boston

I think you hit the nail on the head.  Orlando didn't utilize him correctly.  Offensively, he fits the Celtic scheme perfectly.  Most of it stems from the personnel around him.  Rondo & Paul can get to the hoop with the best of them, while Ray, KG, & Bass can hit jumpers on the spot up if someone helps on Rondo or Pierce.  Ray hits behind the line or coming off screens, KG down low (needs to do this more) or shots between the free throw & three point line, & Bass off the pick and roll or from 15-18 ft out.

Pick your poison.  Who are you leaving to help if Rondo or Paul beat their man off the dribble and get to the rim ?  Most likely, Bass.

[JBcat]

In the future we need to do whatever we can to bring in a star player or 2 to play with Rondo and have possibly the current big 3 be high level role players to end their careers.  Bass is playing very well, but I don't think he'll ever be a star player on a contending team.  However he is a much better trade asset than Glen Davis imo.   We could use Bass in a trade (or S&T in the offseason) along with other assets such as our 2 first rounders, and maybe an increasing trade value with Bradley to bring in a legit star.  

Then you roll with Rondo, Green, new star player, with an older big 3 (if KG and Ray want to stay on board), other spare parts, and see what happens the next couple years.    

[kozlodoev]

Yeah, those 13 boards raised his average to the mammoth 6.5 rebounds in 30 minutes of action. Still below average.

For a point of reference an average PF is around 12 rebounds per 48 minutes, so a rebound every four minutes.

Now thats weighted by minute rather than body. So a bench guy like Bass at 6.5 per 30, or a rebound every 4.5 minutes is acceptable for a bench player who contributes like Bass does.

Actually, I stand corrected. I didn't realize Bass was playing just slightly south of 28 minutes, which means he's getting a rebound every 4 1/5 minutes. That's, I guess, less bad than 1/4.5 (which actually is his career rate).

[PosImpos]

I don't think Bass is a player you want to starting and playing 35+ minutes, but as a 25-28 mpg sixth man, he's great.

On a team with fewer offensive options, where Bass wouldn't get nearly as many open looks, I'm not sure he'd be as valuable.  I think he'd probably be a lot less efficient if opposing defenses paid him more attention.

[the_Bird]

He's not good enough to sign to an extension right now and blow next summer's cap space.

If we can't get anyone good in free agency/trades next summer, I'd be happy to see him back around on a reasonable deal.  I don't know that I'd want to give him as much as the Magic gave Baby Davis (one of the dumbest contracts), but something like 3 years at $6M per...  he's be worth that.

Seems like a fringe-starter type to me.  Perfect in his current role, but *could* play more like 35MPG if you needed him to.  If - miracles of miracles - the C's signed Dwight Howard over the summer, you could put him out there between Dwight and Piece and feel great about your chances.

But, he's not good enough to commit to before exploring any BIG signings or trades.

Maybe he'll play so well Orlando will take him back next summer...   in a S&T for Dwight!

[PosImpos]

He's not good enough to sign to an extension right now and blow next summer's cap space.

If we can't get anyone good in free agency/trades next summer, I'd be happy to see him back around on a reasonable deal.  I don't know that I'd want to give him as much as the Magic gave Baby Davis (one of the dumbest contracts), but something like 3 years at $6M per...  he's be worth that.

Seems like a fringe-starter type to me.  Perfect in his current role, but *could* play more like 35MPG if you needed him to.  If - miracles of miracles - the C's signed Dwight Howard over the summer, you could put him out there between Dwight and Piece and feel great about your chances.

But, he's not good enough to commit to before exploring any BIG signings or trades.

Maybe he'll play so well Orlando will take him back next summer...   in a S&T for Dwight!

why in the world would Bass take less than Davis when he is clearly a much better player who can fill basically the same role?