Give them a chance, at least.

[KP43]

Why are so many posting (many bad) trade ideas that wil absolutely blow the team up, and tear up umbuntu? This is most likely the last year before the windows closes. Why blow it? (personally i want the big 3 to retire Celtics..)

I just don't get it.. Remember last february when Perk got traded and everybody talked about how important he was to our team, both as a player and person. If that trade was a chemistry killer AND had such a huuge impact on the team.. How bad would it be to trade Rondo or the big 3??

If we want to win NOW, there is NO trade that can make us better. We are still one of the best teams in the league..

We just gotta believe in it. The team, the history and ourselfs.. If we really WANT that championship, we have to want it, not trade it for Steve Nash and Jared Dudley..

What happend to those diehard C's fans who believed in what he have, and hoped.. Im not going to say much more, but think about it.. Should we believe in this, or call it a failure even BEFORE a single game is played.

Thank you.

[2short]

Why are so many posting (many bad) trade ideas that wil absolutely blow the team up, and tear up umbuntu? This is most likely the last year before the windows closes. Why blow it? (personally i want the big 3 to retire Celtics..)

I just don't get it.. Remember last february when Perk got traded and everybody talked about how important he was to our team, both as a player and person. If that trade was a chemistry killer AND had such a huuge impact on the team.. How bad would it be to trade Rondo or the big 3??

If we want to win NOW, there is NO trade that can make us better. We are still one of the best teams in the league..

We just gotta believe in it. The team, the history and ourselfs.. If we really WANT that championship, we have to want it, not trade it for Steve Nash and Jared Dudley..

What happend to those diehard C's fans who believed in what he have, and hoped.. Im not going to say much more, but think about it.. Should we believe in this, or call it a failure even BEFORE a single game is played.

Thank you.

tp! all this blow up team stuff is getting old

[PosImpos]

every team and every fanbase in the league "wants" a championship.  wanting it isn't enough -- you have to have the talent on the roster, and the proper amount of luck.

i can appreciate sentimentality and loyalty to players you've come to know and love.  i appreciate your optimism, though i do not share it. 

it is your prerogative to believe the celtics are a championship caliber team as constructed; however, i do not agree. 

it is your prerogative to believe that keeping the team together for one more run, and remaining loyal to long-term celtics, regardless of championship chances or implications for rebuilding, is what matters.  i do not agree.

i believe in making whatever changes necessary to bring the celtics closer to a championship, closer to being a perennial top-of-the-league contender every year.  that includes completely blowing up the roster, even tanking for a few years, if that's what it takes.  as long as there is a plan that doesn't involve settling for NBA purgatory for the sake of loyalty and "the Celtic way."

[Yogi]

   Winning or rebuilding is a false dilemma.  There is no law that says you have to be terrible before you can win.  Good management, coaching and smart drafting will allow you to remain good.  Spurs had 2nd best record in NBA, but got into the lottery by drafting a good player, coaching him well and trading him for a higher value.  Also like what we did with Perkins. 
1 Some teams have championship talent, but no future assets (Miami, New York, LA).  Some teams have assets but no championship talent (New Orleans, Cleveland).  We have both in four all-stars, numerous picks, and young players with upside.
2 Most contenders have little flexibility with their cap going forward (LA, Miami, NY).  We have a ton of cap space, and one of the best contracts in the league. 
3 Some teams have questions about their coaching (LAL, LAC, Miami, NY).  We have one of the best locked in.
4 We have no bad contracts to hold us back. (Luke Walton, Artest, Mike Miller, Turkoglu, Johnson, Boozer, Chandler)
5 We are one of the larger markets, with a very winning tradition. 
   We don't have to choose between winning now and building for the future.  Danny has put us in a position to do both.   

[pearljammer10]

I find it as a simple concept. If we find a trade that can make us better... Do it, absolutely. Chemistry will find its way... The Perk Green trade is an example of a bad trade for me... At the time, I dont think that getting Jeff Green was going to make us better (easy to say in hindsight but it didnt). Perk was a much better piece for us to win a championship and we could have found a better veteran replacement at the three....

With that being said. I see no reason why this team can't be a contender this season. They're old, yes. But they will have to use their veteran leadership to get over the run and guns and try to take the banner.

[Evantime34]

A lot of people might be talking trash and saying how this team won't win anything this year. However, if you're spending the time to post on celtics blog you probably are going to watch all the games. In my opinion watching the games is in fact giving them a chance. So, even the most negative Celticsblogger is giving them a chance (even if they don't know it).

[RyNye]

Can anyone actually give me an example of a team that was awful and tanked for a few years and that helped them win a championship? Seriously, has that ever actually happened? Rebuilding =/= tanking.

I am looking at the last two decades of championship teams, and most of them were contenders for or at least decent for several years before they won that ring, and many of them got the final assets through trade. Tanking for draft picks does not look like it does anything, really. The closest example I can find is the Miami Heat before drafting Dwyane Wade ... but the reason they tanked in the first place was because of poor draft picks.

[vinnie]

every team and every fanbase in the league "wants" a championship.  wanting it isn't enough -- you have to have the talent on the roster, and the proper amount of luck.

i can appreciate sentimentality and loyalty to players you've come to know and love.  i appreciate your optimism, though i do not share it. 

it is your prerogative to believe the celtics are a championship caliber team as constructed; however, i do not agree. 

it is your prerogative to believe that keeping the team together for one more run, and remaining loyal to long-term celtics, regardless of championship chances or implications for rebuilding, is what matters.  i do not agree.

i believe in making whatever changes necessary to bring the celtics closer to a championship, closer to being a perennial top-of-the-league contender every year.  that includes completely blowing up the roster, even tanking for a few years, if that's what it takes.  as long as there is a plan that doesn't involve settling for NBA purgatory for the sake of loyalty and "the Celtic way."

+1

[LooseCannon]

This is the internet, a den of pessimism and over-reaction.  How dare you expect people to be reasonable here!

[Chris]

every team and every fanbase in the league "wants" a championship.  wanting it isn't enough -- you have to have the talent on the roster, and the proper amount of luck.

i can appreciate sentimentality and loyalty to players you've come to know and love.  i appreciate your optimism, though i do not share it. 

it is your prerogative to believe the celtics are a championship caliber team as constructed; however, i do not agree. 

it is your prerogative to believe that keeping the team together for one more run, and remaining loyal to long-term celtics, regardless of championship chances or implications for rebuilding, is what matters.  i do not agree.

i believe in making whatever changes necessary to bring the celtics closer to a championship, closer to being a perennial top-of-the-league contender every year.  that includes completely blowing up the roster, even tanking for a few years, if that's what it takes.  as long as there is a plan that doesn't involve settling for NBA purgatory for the sake of loyalty and "the Celtic way."

While this is all well and good, what I believe is that this is a very difficult league to make deals in.  I believe it is even more difficult league to make GOOD deals in.

Danny has tried to make two great deals this offseason.  Both fell through.  Since then, one of their best assets got his contract voided and is out for the season.  His other assets include a second year guard whose value decreases every time he steps on the floor, a draft pick thats value just plummeted, when the deal that would have put the C's back at the top was made by another team, and a PG who apparently no one wants.

So, while I would love for them to make a move to make this team better, I just am not convinced that move exists at the moment.  

So, I vote for being patient, hope this team catches lighting in a bottle to make one more run like they did in 2010, and then hope some of your assets gain some value, so when the right move does present itself, you are able to pull the trigger.

I also vote for watching more quality basketball played by 3 hall of famers, because we might not see anything resembling quality basketball for a long time after this year.

[BballTim]

every team and every fanbase in the league "wants" a championship.  wanting it isn't enough -- you have to have the talent on the roster, and the proper amount of luck.

i can appreciate sentimentality and loyalty to players you've come to know and love.  i appreciate your optimism, though i do not share it. 

it is your prerogative to believe the celtics are a championship caliber team as constructed; however, i do not agree. 

it is your prerogative to believe that keeping the team together for one more run, and remaining loyal to long-term celtics, regardless of championship chances or implications for rebuilding, is what matters.  i do not agree.

i believe in making whatever changes necessary to bring the celtics closer to a championship, closer to being a perennial top-of-the-league contender every year.  that includes completely blowing up the roster, even tanking for a few years, if that's what it takes.  as long as there is a plan that doesn't involve settling for NBA purgatory for the sake of loyalty and "the Celtic way."

  If tanking for a few years was likely to lead to being a perennial top-of-the-league contender, everyone here would jump at the chance.

[snively]

I'm more than happy to give them a chance. 

After what Dallas accomplished last year with an aged core and a similar loss to injury (Caron Butler), it's too early to rule out this team. 

If a Kidd-Terry-Marion-Dirk-Chandler core with Barea-Stevenson-Peja-Haywood in support is enough to win a championship, I can't rule out the chances of going all the way with a Rondo-Ray-Pierce-KG-JO core with Dooling-Daniels-Bass-Wilcox in support. 

Heck, if we manage to add Przybilla after the holidays, we would further imitate Dallas by picking up a once great rebounder/interior presence with injury concerns coming off an ugly stint in Charlotte.

[PosImpos]

  Winning or rebuilding is a false dilemma.  There is no law that says you have to be terrible before you can win.   

name a team that's won a title in the post-merger era that wasn't near the bottom of the league at some recent point in order to get the assets to become great.

now exclude the Lakers.  no team but the Lakers can operate like the Lakers can.  no other team has that combination of location, money, prestige, and spotlight.

[PosImpos]

every team and every fanbase in the league "wants" a championship.  wanting it isn't enough -- you have to have the talent on the roster, and the proper amount of luck.

i can appreciate sentimentality and loyalty to players you've come to know and love.  i appreciate your optimism, though i do not share it. 

it is your prerogative to believe the celtics are a championship caliber team as constructed; however, i do not agree. 

it is your prerogative to believe that keeping the team together for one more run, and remaining loyal to long-term celtics, regardless of championship chances or implications for rebuilding, is what matters.  i do not agree.

i believe in making whatever changes necessary to bring the celtics closer to a championship, closer to being a perennial top-of-the-league contender every year.  that includes completely blowing up the roster, even tanking for a few years, if that's what it takes.  as long as there is a plan that doesn't involve settling for NBA purgatory for the sake of loyalty and "the Celtic way."

  If tanking for a few years was likely to lead to being a perennial top-of-the-league contender, everyone here would jump at the chance.

i'm not saying it's likely, though i have confidence in Danny Ainge to make the right moves once we're there.  my argument is that it's the only way, unless you want to bank on a superstar falling to the late lottery. 

my feeling is, we need to get really bad at some point before we can be great again.  so why delay?

[PosImpos]

Can anyone actually give me an example of a team that was awful and tanked for a few years and that helped them win a championship? Seriously, has that ever actually happened? Rebuilding =/= tanking.

Oklahoma City Thunder.  They are currently poised to be one of the best teams in the league for roughly the next decade.  They made smart moves and they drafted well.  They selected Durant #2, Westbrook #4, and Harden #3.

Miami never wins a title unless they draft Wade #5.  San Antonio never wins unless they draft Robinson #1 and then Duncan #1.  The Celtics never win in '08 without the #5 pick in the '07 draft.

Heck, look at the guys who have dominated the league for the past thirty years.  

Kareem. Bird, McHale, Parish. Magic. Jordan. Isiah. Hakeem. Shaq.

All top 10 picks.  The only team that's won multiple titles with main guys they didn't draft is the Lakers, because they can draw big name free agents like no other team.