Would you actively shop KG/Ray now? I personally wouldn't

[mgent]

Yes.  I'd move them in a heartbeat right now if the it meant the Celtics could get some young players and/or draft picks this summer.  The Celtics aren't going to win the title this year and they are never going to have the value from KG and Ray that they have right now.  Move them both now and start rebuilding.  Trade Rondo and O'Neal as well.  I'd even move Pierce, but would prefer to keep him around.

Some possible trades that might work for each team (not a full list)

Allen
to Bulls - Korver, Asik, Bogans, 2012 first (better of picks as Bulls might have two)
to Warriors - Ellis
to Blazers - Matthews, Barron, Johnson
to Magic - Redick & Richardson

Garnett
to Warriors - Lee & Biedrins
to Blazers - Camby & Oden
to Hawks - Smith & Hinrich (Williams if Hawks insist)
to Sixers - Brand & Turner
to Rockets - Scola, Dragic, Flynn

The problem is, I don't think the majority of those deals would be accepted by the other teams.  And the ones that would (the Magic one, the Blazers one), I would want no part of.

You're saying the Bulls wouldn't trade 3 average bench players and a 1st for an expiring Ray Allen?

Take the best record last year, swap Bogans for a top 5 SG, and give them Rip as a 6th man.  I understand why ANY team wouldn't want to trade a 1st for a 36 year old, but from a win-now perspective (without losing any of their future pieces) it's a must-do.

First of all, they already cut Bogans.  And yes, they absolutely would not trade Asik (who they love) and a first rounder for Ray.  Perhaps before they got Rip they would consider it, but not now. 

Then they're crazy because they're already a top 3 contender.  Ray is exactly what they need, a consistent shooter to take pressure off Rose who is constantly double teamed.  Never-mind all the other things he brings to an experience-lacking team.

They'd pass on that for a guy that plays 12 minutes and a 30th(ish) pick?

[wdleehi]

Yes.  I'd move them in a heartbeat right now if the it meant the Celtics could get some young players and/or draft picks this summer.  The Celtics aren't going to win the title this year and they are never going to have the value from KG and Ray that they have right now.  Move them both now and start rebuilding.  Trade Rondo and O'Neal as well.  I'd even move Pierce, but would prefer to keep him around.

Some possible trades that might work for each team (not a full list)

Allen
to Bulls - Korver, Asik, Bogans, 2012 first (better of picks as Bulls might have two)
to Warriors - Ellis
to Blazers - Matthews, Barron, Johnson
to Magic - Redick & Richardson

Garnett
to Warriors - Lee & Biedrins
to Blazers - Camby & Oden
to Hawks - Smith & Hinrich (Williams if Hawks insist)
to Sixers - Brand & Turner
to Rockets - Scola, Dragic, Flynn

The problem is, I don't think the majority of those deals would be accepted by the other teams.  And the ones that would (the Magic one, the Blazers one), I would want no part of.

You're saying the Bulls wouldn't trade 3 average bench players and a 1st for an expiring Ray Allen?

Take the best record last year, swap Bogans for a top 5 SG, and give them Rip as a 6th man.  I understand why ANY team wouldn't want to trade a 1st for a 36 year old, but from a win-now perspective (without losing any of their future pieces) it's a must-do.

First of all, they already cut Bogans.  And yes, they absolutely would not trade Asik (who they love) and a first rounder for Ray.  Perhaps before they got Rip they would consider it, but not now. 

Then they're crazy because they're already a top 3 contender.  Ray is exactly what they need, a consistent shooter to take pressure off Rose who is constantly double teamed.  Never-mind all the other things he brings to an experience-lacking team.

They'd pass on that for a guy that plays 12 minutes and a 30th(ish) pick?

They already got that guy in Rip.  Now, they can keep their big man depth that Miami can not match.  Leaves them better protected from foul trouble.

[snively]

KG & Ray's production + 2012 or 2013 cap space = more value than anything they could bring in return. 

[greenpride32]

  How many GMs break up contenders because they lose a backup small forward for the year?

I don't think KG and Ray will get traded because they have little return value at this point.  But even with Jeff Green in tow I don't know that we're contenders this year.  We're definitely not a top tier cotender as we have been the past 4 years, but in that 2nd tier which is really a big pool of teams. 

[Chris]

  How many GMs break up contenders because they lose a backup small forward for the year?

I don't think KG and Ray will get traded because they have little return value at this point.  But even with Jeff Green in tow I don't know that we're contenders this year.  We're definitely not a top tier cotender as we have been the past 4 years, but in that 2nd tier which is really a big pool of teams. 

I think this is accurate.  Although I have to point out that the NBA champion last year was pretty deep in that second tier at this point in the season.  And they also lost their STARTING SF for the year early in the season. 

So, while the C's are by no means a favorite, with a little luck, and a lot of chemistry, strange things can happen, when you are in one of those top tiers.  So, you can't be giving away that position without getting a heck of a lot back.

[BballTim]

  How many GMs break up contenders because they lose a backup small forward for the year?

I don't think KG and Ray will get traded because they have little return value at this point.  But even with Jeff Green in tow I don't know that we're contenders this year.  We're definitely not a top tier cotender as we have been the past 4 years, but in that 2nd tier which is really a big pool of teams. 

  I don't see any teams besides the Heat that would really be considered top tier contenders, and I'm not sold on that team yet. We've got as good a chance as most of the contenders.

[nickagneta]

There's no way Danny even considers this until the trade deadline when this team's and other team's fortunes will be in better focus.

If the C's are looking to be healthy and contending, KG and Ray stay. If massive injuries,poor play and a difficult schedule has sealed this team's fate and shown the window is closed, the fire sale will commence.

[Celtics18]

  How many GMs break up contenders because they lose a backup small forward for the year?

I don't think KG and Ray will get traded because they have little return value at this point.  But even with Jeff Green in tow I don't know that we're contenders this year.  We're definitely not a top tier cotender as we have been the past 4 years, but in that 2nd tier which is really a big pool of teams. 

  I don't see any teams besides the Heat that would really be considered top tier contenders, and I'm not sold on that team yet. We've got as good a chance as most of the contenders.

I couldn't agree more.  If you are going to break contenders into tiers, then I would say Miami is alone in the top tier.  

Not that this guarantees them anything.  I definitely think they can be beaten by any of the 5 or 6 teams in the next tier, which includes us and, I would say, Chicago, Dallas, OKC, LAL, and San Antonio.

After that there are teams like New York, The Clippers, possibly Memphis, and a few others that I'm not ready to place in that true contender category right now.

That's why they play the games, though.  Things can change, and despite a flurry of negativity lately among a lot of the fan base, I like where we are right now with our team's chances.

[gar]

Celtics are not where they could be; but are close. I think the C's can find a better replacement for Green than Sasha. They may not be able to land Andre Krilenko; but would be worth a try. Moore was a steal and Jjuan will come along. Bradley is another story (a smaller Tony Allen is not what we need). Why trade for a big when you have the most athletic group the Celtics have had in years. A 6' 8" wing is all they need.

[Celtics18]

Celtics are not where they could be; but are close. I think the C's can find a better replacement for Green than Sasha. They may not be able to land Andre Krilenko; but would be worth a try. Moore was a steal and Jjuan will come along. Bradley is another story (a smaller Tony Allen is not what we need). Why trade for a big when you have the most athletic group the Celtics have had in years. A 6' 8" wing is all they need.

I think that Marquis is more likely to be Green's replacement than Sasha is.  I think he can fill the role satisfactorily provided he stays healthy. 

That said, yeah, if we can add AK47, I'm in.

[nickagneta]

Celtics are not where they could be; but are close. I think the C's can find a better replacement for Green than Sasha. They may not be able to land Andre Krilenko; but would be worth a try. Moore was a steal and Jjuan will come along. Bradley is another story (a smaller Tony Allen is not what we need). Why trade for a big when you have the most athletic group the Celtics have had in years. A 6' 8" wing is all they need.

I think that Marquis is more likely to be Green's replacement than Sasha is.  I think he can fill the role satisfactorily provided he stays healthy. 

That said, yeah, if we can add AK47, I'm in.

If Kirilenko plays in the states its for his Russian buddy in New jersey/Brooklyn.

[Lord of Mikawa]

I don't see any point in trading KG or Ray. We can push as far as we can this year and then test the waters in free agency.

[boscel33]

If Danny isn't shopping everyone, then he's not doing his job.

[mgent]

Yes.  I'd move them in a heartbeat right now if the it meant the Celtics could get some young players and/or draft picks this summer.  The Celtics aren't going to win the title this year and they are never going to have the value from KG and Ray that they have right now.  Move them both now and start rebuilding.  Trade Rondo and O'Neal as well.  I'd even move Pierce, but would prefer to keep him around.

Some possible trades that might work for each team (not a full list)

Allen
to Bulls - Korver, Asik, Bogans, 2012 first (better of picks as Bulls might have two)
to Warriors - Ellis
to Blazers - Matthews, Barron, Johnson
to Magic - Redick & Richardson

Garnett
to Warriors - Lee & Biedrins
to Blazers - Camby & Oden
to Hawks - Smith & Hinrich (Williams if Hawks insist)
to Sixers - Brand & Turner
to Rockets - Scola, Dragic, Flynn

The problem is, I don't think the majority of those deals would be accepted by the other teams.  And the ones that would (the Magic one, the Blazers one), I would want no part of.

You're saying the Bulls wouldn't trade 3 average bench players and a 1st for an expiring Ray Allen?

Take the best record last year, swap Bogans for a top 5 SG, and give them Rip as a 6th man.  I understand why ANY team wouldn't want to trade a 1st for a 36 year old, but from a win-now perspective (without losing any of their future pieces) it's a must-do.

First of all, they already cut Bogans.  And yes, they absolutely would not trade Asik (who they love) and a first rounder for Ray.  Perhaps before they got Rip they would consider it, but not now.  

Then they're crazy because they're already a top 3 contender.  Ray is exactly what they need, a consistent shooter to take pressure off Rose who is constantly double teamed.  Never-mind all the other things he brings to an experience-lacking team.

They'd pass on that for a guy that plays 12 minutes and a 30th(ish) pick?

They already got that guy in Rip.  Now, they can keep their big man depth that Miami can not match.  Leaves them better protected from foul trouble.

Yeah but Ray is still the better player.  They need long range, especially beside Rose and Deng.  They would get an upgrade at the starter position, and a huge boost of offense off the bench (which they need).  Taj Gibson is their important big.  Asik is nice to have, but Ray would definitely be nicer especially for a playoff team (Danny wouldn't do this trade in a million years).

[Chris]

Yes.  I'd move them in a heartbeat right now if the it meant the Celtics could get some young players and/or draft picks this summer.  The Celtics aren't going to win the title this year and they are never going to have the value from KG and Ray that they have right now.  Move them both now and start rebuilding.  Trade Rondo and O'Neal as well.  I'd even move Pierce, but would prefer to keep him around.

Some possible trades that might work for each team (not a full list)

Allen
to Bulls - Korver, Asik, Bogans, 2012 first (better of picks as Bulls might have two)
to Warriors - Ellis
to Blazers - Matthews, Barron, Johnson
to Magic - Redick & Richardson

Garnett
to Warriors - Lee & Biedrins
to Blazers - Camby & Oden
to Hawks - Smith & Hinrich (Williams if Hawks insist)
to Sixers - Brand & Turner
to Rockets - Scola, Dragic, Flynn

The problem is, I don't think the majority of those deals would be accepted by the other teams.  And the ones that would (the Magic one, the Blazers one), I would want no part of.

You're saying the Bulls wouldn't trade 3 average bench players and a 1st for an expiring Ray Allen?

Take the best record last year, swap Bogans for a top 5 SG, and give them Rip as a 6th man.  I understand why ANY team wouldn't want to trade a 1st for a 36 year old, but from a win-now perspective (without losing any of their future pieces) it's a must-do.

First of all, they already cut Bogans.  And yes, they absolutely would not trade Asik (who they love) and a first rounder for Ray.  Perhaps before they got Rip they would consider it, but not now.  

Then they're crazy because they're already a top 3 contender.  Ray is exactly what they need, a consistent shooter to take pressure off Rose who is constantly double teamed.  Never-mind all the other things he brings to an experience-lacking team.

They'd pass on that for a guy that plays 12 minutes and a 30th(ish) pick?

They already got that guy in Rip.  Now, they can keep their big man depth that Miami can not match.  Leaves them better protected from foul trouble.

Yeah but Ray is still the better player.  They need long range, especially beside Rose and Deng.  They would get an upgrade at the starter position, and a huge boost of offense off the bench (which they need).  Taj Gibson is their important big.  Asik is nice to have, but Ray would definitely be nicer especially for a playoff team (Danny wouldn't do this trade in a million years).

I just think you are undervaluing Asik.  They love this kid, and won't give him away (along with a first round pick) for a slight upgrade at SG. 

And if the Bulls would make that trade, then I would be hessitant from the C's point of view, because it would mean that Asik isn't as good as he looks.