The Truth About The Celtic Roster And Changes That Must Be Made

[LarryForThree]

Delonte would have signed for the vet min and perhaps nate will have to settle for the same.

Two former players that the Celtics could have signed or good chance of signing.

THEY DIDN'T. If Nate improved the second unit's offense that much don't you think it would be a no brainer to sign him now.

If he added that much, I think Rivers would lobby for him and he would be approached. If Nate isn't signed, then we know his style doesn't fit with Rivers.

NOTHING worse than signing a player whose style doesn't fit in with the team's style.

[BostonArizona]

There are some changes I'd like to see made, specifically in regards to post scoring and adding an another wing, but fact of the matter is that the market is so thin right now that I honestly don't see any players that will drastically change this roster.

A few of the names mentioned in this thread:

Nate Robinson- I doubt he would see minutes over dooling at the 1, Doc loves Keyon. As others have said, he's been here and was extremely sporatic.

Allen Iverson- I just don't see this panning out in any way. Everytime AI was stuck in any role other than 'best player on the team' hes struggled with not only his game, but the coaching staff. I don't think we need any distractions. I would still call this low risk high reward though...

Mike Sweetney- Never.

"Stinksma"- I actually really like him as the last man off the bench. Big, strong, physical and a hustle player. Given he should only see extremely limited floor time, but I still don't mind him on the squad.

The Celtics will probably just end up keeping the lineup as it is for now until closer to the deadline or when some of the overseas players start coming back.

But.....and its a big one, if we land Kirilenko by some miracle it would put us over the top IMO.

[igorsure]

Back up for both Ray and Rondo is actually not very important (sure if there are healthy).

They are not C, PF or even SF, both of them can easily spend 40+ qualified minutes. So 1 good player who can substitute Rondo or Ray is enough.

[KGs Knee]

Here's a couple of "truths":

-Moore will be ahead of Bradley on the depth chart by Christmas

-Brown, Bradley, and Johnson/Steimsma will be in Maine shortly

-Sweeetney will be cut this week

-We aren't bringing back Nate

-Pavlovic will be the new Scal. He will only see limited playing time (mostly resulting from injuries to other players), and will neither contribute much nor hurt the team.

-Just about everybody on this roster is going to get playing time though this year.  Doc HAS to rest our aging starters or we will have no chance in the playoffs.

-Throw whatever playoff seed we get out the window.  See above.

[PosImpos]

Allen Iverson is not walking through that door.

THANK GOD.

[KGs Knee]

Allen Iverson is not walking through that door.

THANK GOD.

Personally, I wouldn't mind giving AI a shot.  I mean, really, what risk is there?

But he definitely isn't coming here.  Our roster is what it is for the time being.

[kozlodoev]

Personally, I wouldn't mind giving AI a shot.  I mean, really, what risk is there?

Waste of roster space and of time trying to integrate him into the team? The latter, especially, is of short supply this season.

Just say no.

[KGs Knee]

Personally, I wouldn't mind giving AI a shot.  I mean, really, what risk is there?

Waste of roster space and of time trying to integrate him into the team? The latter, especially, is of short supply this season.

Just say no.

Waste of a roster space?  Seriously?  Somehow I don't think keeping the roster space for guys like Gilbert Brown is helping us any.

As far as fitting in with the team, it's not like he would be much further behind than any of our other FA aquisitions this off-season, or any other mid year aquisition for that matter.

Just run him out there to spell Ray, and let him do his thing.  Where else are we going to get bench scoring?  I don't see much on the roster as it is currently.

He's not coming here, but it wouldn't be the risk some people try to make it out to be.

[RyNye]

Just run him out there to spell Ray, and let him do his thing.  Where else are we going to get bench scoring?  I don't see much on the roster as it is currently.

He's not coming here, but it wouldn't be the risk some people try to make it out to be.

As I said on the previous page, the only way for A.I. to fit the role we need is for him to be a COMPLETELY different style of player than he has EVER been (even in Turkey). He is a volume scorer. That has its uses; but our problem is we need someone coming off the bench who can score EFFICIENTLY. Make smart, high percentage shots. A.I. has never demonstrated the ability to do that. He led the league in scoring because he shot A LOT, not that he was actually terribly good at it.

[pearljammer10]

I actually like our roster and I think have a very strong nine man rotation.

Rondo/Dooling
Allen/Quis
Pierce/Quis
KG/Bass
ONeal/Wilcox

I can see this rotation being very effective. Quis can play the 2 or 3 and easily share the floor with either Allen or Pierce. I love Bass and Wilcox off the bench. I also am looking forward to seeing Dooling actually run and command the offense for a change. Something Delonte, Robinson and even going back to Marbury couldnt do here in Green. Im optimistic about these 9 guys.

[dtrader]

The problem with Allen Iverson is he does NOT fit what we need. He certainly has his talents, but bottom line is that he is a VOLUME scorer, not an EFFICIENT scorer. The former is fine for a starter (not ideal, but fine ... got to the Finals that way). But  universally speaking, a 6th man/bench scorer needs to be EFFICIENT to be good. Iverson is only good if you give him a lot of touches, and a lot of minutes, which is not what he will get here.

Iverson is a scorer.  Whether he is a "volume" scorer, or "efficient" scorer depends on his supporting cast, his level of confidence in his supporting cast, and whats asked of him.  In Philly...he was surrounded by lower level talent and NEEDED to be a volume scorer for them to succeed.  In Denver, he had suitable talent around him, and he was an "efficient" scorer.  He did also take a lot of shots, but they were within the flow of the offense, and shot at a high level of efficiency.  He was playing "efficient" ball in memphis as well before he was shipped out.  Basically, Iverson has been progressing as a player since leaving Philly, but no one recognizes him for it because Philly is where he was most visible. 

One change that I think absolutely WILL be made this year, is Bradleys decent to the end of the bench behind Moore, and into the d league.

[Riles335]

There is too much to digest here but how is Robinson an upgrade over Dooling? Not only is Dooling a much greater defensive player and a better point guard, they are comparable offensive players.

Last year for the Celtics Robinson shot 40.4 from the field, 32.8 from three, and 82.5 from the line. Dooling last year for the Bucks shot 39.7 from the field, 34.6 from three, and 83.0 from the line. Over the course of their careers, they are almost identical offensive players.

I am not even going to touch how much better of a point guard and defensive player Dooling is than Robinson. Almost everything points to Dooling being the much more complete player and obviously Ainge and Doc know and feel this.

Your demands for this team are ridiculous.

Edit - Also last year Kenyon Dooling's win share for the Bucks was 2.9. Last year for Robinson in both stints with the Celtics and Thunder? 0.0 Thunder and 1.1 Celtics.

Dooling is the far superior player.

Also to peoples points, there is a large risk in bringing in a player like Allen Iverson. He could actually make this team worse as he could make a negative impact on the performance of the team in many different ways. That is a real possibility.

Also how is anyone criticize Greg Stiemsma? He might be one of the best up and coming defensive big men in the league. People want an overweight and out of shape Sweetney over Stiemsma? Unbelievable.

[Snakehead]

Good riddance to Nate and Big Baby tbh.  They had their moments and I don't mean to just totally throw them under the bus, but watching the bench today was fresh air to me.  Bass, Dooling, Wilcox all were very impressive.  They brought energy, made sound decisions, and didn't try to do too much.

Although I think we are missing that piece to put us over (which Green could perhaps have been), I think our bench this year will be the best since 08.

[slamtheking]

I actually like our roster and I think have a very strong nine man rotation.

Rondo/Dooling
Allen/Quis
Pierce/Quis
KG/Bass
ONeal/Wilcox

I can see this rotation being very effective. Quis can play the 2 or 3 and easily share the floor with either Allen or Pierce. I love Bass and Wilcox off the bench. I also am looking forward to seeing Dooling actually run and command the offense for a change. Something Delonte, Robinson and even going back to Marbury couldnt do here in Green. Im optimistic about these 9 guys.

I'm with you in that regard.  We've got a decent bench.  I'd be happier with a scorer -- which would have been Green in an ideal situation.  Who knows, if Moore continues to look sharp, he might get some minutes behind Ray and allow Quisy to focus on playing SF.

As for the OP's suggestions, no to Nate and AI.  I don't get the fascination with these two.  Nate couldn't play consistently and was not a good PG.  AI is the antithesis of what a basketball player should be.  The thought of him being considered a quality player makes me want to puke. 

I would like to get Pryz out of 'retirement' if possible to shore up the frontcourt.

[Yogi]

We need to bring in one more player to replace Jeff Green.  It's not Nate, who has character issues that the Celtics are avoiding like the plague.  We're certainly not touching Iverson with a ten foot pole.  Right now we have no one who can cover Lebron in transition, and the Heat love nothing more than to outlet the ball to the other side of the court with Lebron out-running everyone for the easy 2.  Ideally we land:
1 Kirelenko
2 Al Thornton
3 Joey Graham
4 Julian Wright
5 Mikeal Pietrus
6 James Posey
7 Jamario Moon