what does Your rebulding celtics team for the 2012-2013 season look like

[Who]

PG - Rondo
SG - Ray
SF - Pierce
PF - Garnett
C  - Omer Asik (ideally Brook Lopez)

My expectation is (1) that there is little value available on the free agency market and Danny is unlikely to find any high quality talents available (2) Ray and Garnett want to give it another season. Danny will likely pay them extra to get to the minimum salary cap threshold given the lack of available star talent.

[PosImpos]

PG - Rondo
SG - Ray
SF - Pierce
PF - Garnett
C  - Omer Asik (ideally Brook Lopez)

My expectation is (1) that there is little value available on the free agency market and Danny is unlikely to find any high quality talents available (2) Ray and Garnett want to give it another season. Danny will likely pay them extra to get to the minimum salary cap threshold given the lack of available star talent.

you really think Danny will be content to trot out essentially the same group, for what will almost assuredly be an 8th seed / first round exit?  based on all that Danny has said and done, I just don't see him accepting that.

i think danny will make a big move just for the sake of making a move if it comes to that rather than stick with the status quo and have a season like the Pistons did in '08-'09 (heck, that might be our team this season).

[Who]

PG - Rondo
SG - Ray
SF - Pierce
PF - Garnett
C  - Omer Asik (ideally Brook Lopez)

My expectation is (1) that there is little value available on the free agency market and Danny is unlikely to find any high quality talents available (2) Ray and Garnett want to give it another season. Danny will likely pay them extra to get to the minimum salary cap threshold given the lack of available star talent.

you really think Danny will be content to trot out essentially the same group, for what will almost assuredly be an 8th seed / first round exit?  based on all that Danny has said and done, I just don't see him accepting that.

i think danny will make a big move just for the sake of making a move if it comes to that rather than stick with the status quo and have a season like the Pistons did in '08-'09 (heck, that might be our team this season).

I do. I think Danny has been very patient (in not forcing a bad deal). I hope that continues.

We'll know more at the end of this season after we see how Ray and Garnett are performing. If they fall off the cliff, then the situation changes dramatically.

[PosImpos]

PG - Rondo
SG - Ray
SF - Pierce
PF - Garnett
C  - Omer Asik (ideally Brook Lopez)

My expectation is (1) that there is little value available on the free agency market and Danny is unlikely to find any high quality talents available (2) Ray and Garnett want to give it another season. Danny will likely pay them extra to get to the minimum salary cap threshold given the lack of available star talent.

you really think Danny will be content to trot out essentially the same group, for what will almost assuredly be an 8th seed / first round exit?  based on all that Danny has said and done, I just don't see him accepting that.

i think danny will make a big move just for the sake of making a move if it comes to that rather than stick with the status quo and have a season like the Pistons did in '08-'09 (heck, that might be our team this season).

I do. I think Danny has been very patient (in not forcing a bad deal). I hope that continues.

We'll know more at the end of this season after we see how Ray and Garnett are performing. If they fall off the cliff, then the situation changes dramatically.

honestly, totally blowing up the roster and filling it with d-league guys would be more productive for the future than putting out essentially the same group after this season.  if the window isn't closed yet this season, it'll certainly be closed next season.

i sincerely hope danny doesn't default to the status quo after this season and make us watch the team gradually decline even further. 

i maintain that he won't, though.  danny was a witness to the undignified breakdown of the last Big 3.  i think he'll want to make sure the same sort of thing doesn't happen to this group.  i don't want to see this group of proud veterans getting punked night in and night out by young guys who just have more bounce in their steps.

[nickagneta]

This might be crazy but if Portland struggles I could see them looking to move LaMarcus Aldridge for salary relief come the trade deadline.

So, Danny moves KG, E'Twaun Moore, Avery Bradley and a first rounder for Wesley Mathews and Aldridge.

Celtics resign Ray Allen, Brandon Bass, Keyon Dooling and Marquis Daniels in the off season.

Celtics offer Chris Kaman an MLE deal, as little years as possible.

Sign Nazr Mohammed to vet min

Rajon Rondo/Keyon Dooling
Wesley Matthews/Ray Allen
Paul Pierce/Marquis Daniels/1st round pick
LaMarcus Aldridge/Brandon Bass/JaJuan Johnson
Chris Kaman/Nazr Mohammed

This team could really compete and its not an entirely impossible scenario. Okay maybe it is but, hey why not.

[PosImpos]

This might be crazy but if Portland struggles I could see them looking to move LaMarcus Aldridge for salary relief come the trade deadline.

So, Danny moves KG, E'Twaun Moore, Avery Bradley and a first rounder for Wesley Mathews and Aldridge.

Celtics resign Ray Allen, Brandon Bass, Keyon Dooling and Marquis Daniels in the off season.

Celtics offer Chris Kaman an MLE deal, as little years as possible.

Sign Nazr Mohammed to vet min

Rajon Rondo/Keyon Dooling
Wesley Matthews/Ray Allen
Paul Pierce/Marquis Daniels/1st round pick
LaMarcus Aldridge/Brandon Bass/JaJuan Johnson
Chris Kaman/Nazr Mohammed

This team could really compete and its not an entirely impossible scenario. Okay maybe it is but, hey why not.

why would Portland struggle?  why would they unload their young, All-Star caliber big man who can play both front court positions and is the only guy on their roster, seemingly, who can stay healthy?

i expect that Portland will be a 6th or 7th seed this season.  in any case, Portland could do a lot better than that deal.

[Celtics18]

PG - Ramon Sessions / Keyon Dooling
SG - O.J. Mayo / E'Twaun Moore
SF - Paul Pierce / Jeff Green
PF - Jared Sullinger / Brandon Bass / JaJuan Johnson
C - Chris Wilcox / Ian Mahinmi


[assumes on draft night Danny trades Rondo + Bradley + Bos 1st + Clips 1st to move into the top 5 and take Sullinger, or some other top prospect]


yay, time to be awful for a few years!  potential!

Hey, in a way it is refreshing to be in complete rebuilding mode/have a ****ty trade. Getting young talent will eventually lead to blockbuster trades...Especially with Ainge.

indeed, you  have to be terrible for a while before you can be great again.  if you just spend money for the sake of putting out recognizable names (e.g. spending lots of money on Gerald Wallace to start him at PF, ahem), you're just gonna be middle-of-the-road at best.

It's clear that there's a serious problem with the way the NBA draft is set up when a significant portion of a team's fan base actually start to root for the team to get terrible so they can have a chance at winning the ping pong balls.

Let's get rid of the draft lottery for the worst teams  and make a random order for all thirty teams in the league.  Better yet, I wouldn't mind seeing the draft eliminated all together.

I'm not exactly sure how to work out the details, but for me the honor, integrity, and competitive spirit of what sports are all about are getting lost if half the league's goal is trying to race to the bottom. 

im with you.  if you're not a contender, or a couple moves / a year or two of development away from being one, it's in your best interest as a team to lose as many games as possible so you can have better draft position.

im not sure what the right solution to that issue is, though.  i don't believe that eliminating the draft or making the order random is the right one.  there shouldn't be any chance that a team that's already stacked gets a top talent in the draft, unless they've acquired a draft pick from a lesser team several years prior (i.e., smart dealing).

You misunderstood my point.  I'm not in favor of tanking as a strategy for improving your team. 

I'm in favor of smart gms trying to improve their teams by, well, getting better. 

Sure, I guess there have been a couple of isolated examples of teams getting lucky through the draft, but, by in large, I think the tanking strategy works much more commonly to keep bad teams bad.  Unfortunately, poorly managed teams get away with this strategy because the fan base is fooled by the false belief that if they just cross their fingers, they'll eventually win a superstar in the lottery and become a perennial championship contender. 

[LarBrd33]

probably something involving Joe Johnson and his ridiculous contract.  Seems like a perfect candidate for a salary dump... Maybe him and Josh Smith for Ray and KG's expirings.

[tenn_smoothie]

how did Jeff Green get sick and suddenly become a starter for next year's team ? All the best for Jeff's health, but he is still just an average player who didn't have much appetite for playoff pressure.

also, why would we want that head-case OJ Mayo ?

understanding that there will not be a great FA class next summer, the Celts would do better to save their money and concentrate on the draft until they can get the kind of players they really want.

as Red used to say, Do you know how short a year is ??

[LarBrd33]

I'm not sure there is anyone significant we can get via free agency.  If Ainge is looking out for this team long-term, his best option might be to blow it up before the trade deadline.

[Celtics4ever]

I think that is a real option depending on our performance.   If we do well and have a shot it won't happen.   If we don't and it doesn't look like we will attract marque free agents next year I could see this happening.

Who knows how Danny will rebuild.   I don't see Doc coaching though through some tank seasons.

[JBcat]

I think Danny Ainge will have to take some chances.   The first guy I would consider is Gred Oden in next year's free agent class.   He may always be injury prone but the few times he has been healthy he has been a dominant center.  I would offer a 4 year 8 mil a year deal and see if he bites.   Not sure if any team including the Blazers would match that.   If it doesn't work you could always use the "stretch" provision and release him. 

Then I would do whatever I could to get a top young PF.  Kevin Love is a restricted free agent.  Offer him a near max deal and see if you can pry him away, or a sign and trade (Bass, both our #1 picks next year, and Johnson).   

Oden 8 mil
Love 15 mil
Pierce 17 mil
Ray 5 mil
Rondo 11 mil

56 mil for those guys, re-sign Green with his Bird rights, and sign KG to a lesser deal to come off the bench.  If Oden ever holds up you have a strong lineup.  If not, you could still be flexible to make some other moves. 

[Smokeeye123]

1. Rondo
2. Austin Rivers
3. Jeff Green
4. Josh Smith
5. Jj Johnson

Doc talked about wanting to install a new offense in camp but there not being enough time. A lot if players on the team mentioned running a faster system this year. Next year we go all in with Rondo and grab some young athletic guys to play d and run with rondo. Smith either comes here in a trade or via amnesy cut next year after he complains and atl decides they want to save money. Rivers comes here after we package picks to move up. Jjj adds about ten or fifteen lbs of muscle then becomes a channing frye type player in our new uptempo offense. Maybe moore or bradley steps up and we don't need to move up to get rivers. In that case we pick some athletic bigs like plumlee or the dude from vandy.

We would actually have a legitimate chance of drafting Austin Rivers in next years draft...I think He'll go in the mid teens.

[green7]

ok so this the full team i would like to see

Starters

PG:Rajon Rondo
SG:Oj Mayo (2nd option james harden since he's not a free agent this upcoming i'll go with....evan turner would be hard but i think we can match anything the 76ers throw at him)
SF:paul perice (long run....Jeff green)
PF:brandon Bass (2nd option josh smith in a blockbuster trade)
C:dwight howard (2nd option roy hibbert)

Bench

Pg:keyon dooling,Raymond Felton
SG:ray allen,Deshawn stevenson,avery bradley
SF:Jeff Green,AK47(MLE)
PF:Anthony Randolph(won't happen but whocares this is not real lol)
C: Marcus camby (vet Min),

*rookie*


i know i'm dreaming but who cares lol

i really can't get use to johnson or moore because we all know they will be traded before the deadline knowing danny
 

[TheTruthFot18]

probably something involving Joe Johnson and his ridiculous contract.  Seems like a perfect candidate for a salary dump... Maybe him and Josh Smith for Ray and KG's expirings.

hmm would we be willing to take on JJ's contract and his play (which doesnt match that contract) to get JSmoove? ugh I say as long as its Smoove and Rondo I'll take anyone else to fill the roster