Basketball ramifications of the Jeff Green situation.

[Kane3387]

Travis outlaw would be a welcome addition

[theswitch]

Al Thornton anyone? Last I remember he was getting waived, not sure if he's landed anywhere yet. He could be a perfect tweener fit for Green, although a downgrade. Or Outlaw, but I think he's going to the Knicks.

Otherwise, we could go with JJJ in our small-ball lineup. He can run the floor and spread the floor with his range. He can't guard 3s, but he won't need to if he's playing the 4 with KG at the 5. I actually like this idea, and it's a way to get him on the floor. It also means we don't have to focus on getting a true tweener to replace Jeff.

[Q_FBE]

It is very disturbing that we clearly lost out on That Trade to OKC given the circumstances that have taken place since then. But in keeping our eye on who is available to the Celtics, the bench has Brandon Bass, Chris Wicox, Marquis Daniels, and now we hear James Posey could be coming back. I think we need a backup PG for Rondo more than anything else.

Besides, we really don't understand what Jeff Green is capable of and we may be asking ourselves, What If.

One thing that does hurt Danny is his ability to make a key deadline deal using expiring deals like Jeff Green and Jermaine O'Neal and increases the likelihood of Ray Allen or even KG himself being dealt in March should we be floundering.

[Who]

A lot depends on Marquis Daniels' health.

If those doctors are right that Marquis is healthy + what they have fixed will make him less fragile in the future ... and if Marquis manages to stay healthy and play a large amount of games (massive "if")

Then there shouldn't be much of a difference to the Celtics W-L record.

I just cannot buy this line of thinking. While I am not a Jeff Green fan, I don't buy the fact that a guy the Celts were willing to pay him $9 million and who was played up by Danny and Doc as a key cog and who was going to be the 6th man can be replaced by marquis Daniels, even if he does stay healthy all year. If that is the case, then why didn't they try to sign and trade Jeff Green?

How much more where you expecting from Jeff Green than he provided last year?

And/or, how much more than Marquis provided last year before getting injured?

[KGs Knee]

Does anybody know whether or not Green's contract being voided means we lose his bird right's?

[PosImpos]

Michael redds ghost, al thornton, and the player formerly known as travis outlaw are our only hope?

Oh boy.

[vinnie]

A lot depends on Marquis Daniels' health.

If those doctors are right that Marquis is healthy + what they have fixed will make him less fragile in the future ... and if Marquis manages to stay healthy and play a large amount of games (massive "if")

Then there shouldn't be much of a difference to the Celtics W-L record.

I just cannot buy this line of thinking. While I am not a Jeff Green fan, I don't buy the fact that a guy the Celts were willing to pay him $9 million and who was played up by Danny and Doc as a key cog and who was going to be the 6th man can be replaced by marquis Daniels, even if he does stay healthy all year. If that is the case, then why didn't they try to sign and trade Jeff Green?

How much more where you expecting from Jeff Green than he provided last year?

And/or, how much more than Marquis provided last year before getting injured?

First, I think Jeff Green is a far superior player to Marquis Daniels. However, I cannot quantify that in numbers.

Second, it seems to me it is clear that the Celtics were expecting a lot more this year from Green and that the Celtics value Green a lot more than Marquis Daniels. I also had higher expectations for Green this year than last -- not so much in numbers, but that he would be a tougher and more instinctive player who would make a little more difference in the court than he did last season.

Bottom line to me is that Marquis Daniels is nowhere near the player Jeff Green is. And again, if he is, why did the Celtics not try to trade Green once Marquis was in the fold?

[gar]

Travis Outlaw has always played well against the C's. That tends to get Danny's attention. Let's hope he is ahead of us on this one.

[Change]

Travis Outlaw has always played well against the C's. That tends to get Danny's attention. Let's hope he is ahead of us on this one.

Hopefully he doesn't get claimed, and signs here.

[BballTim]

Honestly, its the difference between a 3rd seed and a 4th / 5th seed. 

+1. Maybe 6th seed even. And maybe first round out rather than a second. I am going into this season with no expectations though. I am really looking forward to when Danny starts blowing it up, which could be at the trading deadline this year. Then we will see if those who think he is a genius are right or those who think he is just okay (me) are right.

  So you're looking forward to the team sucking, in the hopes that rebuilding the team will go poorly, just so you can show that you're right about Danny not being a great GM? Awesome!

[snively]

A lot depends on Marquis Daniels' health.

If those doctors are right that Marquis is healthy + what they have fixed will make him less fragile in the future ... and if Marquis manages to stay healthy and play a large amount of games (massive "if")

Then there shouldn't be much of a difference to the Celtics W-L record.

I just cannot buy this line of thinking. While I am not a Jeff Green fan, I don't buy the fact that a guy the Celts were willing to pay him $9 million and who was played up by Danny and Doc as a key cog and who was going to be the 6th man can be replaced by marquis Daniels, even if he does stay healthy all year. If that is the case, then why didn't they try to sign and trade Jeff Green?

I think the 1 year/$9 mil deal was basically an extension of sign and trade options. 

That's one of the biggest basketball-related blows of this news, even if Daniels stays healthy.  Green was our best disposable trade chip.

[vinnie]

Honestly, its the difference between a 3rd seed and a 4th / 5th seed. 

+1. Maybe 6th seed even. And maybe first round out rather than a second. I am going into this season with no expectations though. I am really looking forward to when Danny starts blowing it up, which could be at the trading deadline this year. Then we will see if those who think he is a genius are right or those who think he is just okay (me) are right.

  So you're looking forward to the team sucking, in the hopes that rebuilding the team will go poorly, just so you can show that you're right about Danny not being a great GM? Awesome!

If that is what you want to read into it, fine. An okay GM can be successful at rebuilding a team, but it will take a little longer. I don't think Danny is a top GM the way others do. Danny is not horrible, but he also is not a God in my opinion. And I still do not understand people talking about what a good job he has done in the last 10 months.

[Who]

A lot depends on Marquis Daniels' health.

If those doctors are right that Marquis is healthy + what they have fixed will make him less fragile in the future ... and if Marquis manages to stay healthy and play a large amount of games (massive "if")

Then there shouldn't be much of a difference to the Celtics W-L record.

I just cannot buy this line of thinking. While I am not a Jeff Green fan, I don't buy the fact that a guy the Celts were willing to pay him $9 million and who was played up by Danny and Doc as a key cog and who was going to be the 6th man can be replaced by marquis Daniels, even if he does stay healthy all year. If that is the case, then why didn't they try to sign and trade Jeff Green?

How much more where you expecting from Jeff Green than he provided last year?

And/or, how much more than Marquis provided last year before getting injured?

First, I think Jeff Green is a far superior player to Marquis Daniels. However, I cannot quantify that in numbers.

Second, it seems to me it is clear that the Celtics were expecting a lot more this year from Green and that the Celtics value Green a lot more than Marquis Daniels. I also had higher expectations for Green this year than last -- not so much in numbers, but that he would be a tougher and more instinctive player who would make a little more difference in the court than he did last season.

Bottom line to me is that Marquis Daniels is nowhere near the player Jeff Green is. And again, if he is, why did the Celtics not try to trade Green once Marquis was in the fold?

Well, in terms of my expectations:

Jeff Green = I thought Jeff was one of the best main wings off the bench in the league. Not a sixth man of the year candidate though. A rung below that. A good defender/rebounder who can cause mismatches offensively (at SF + PF) if used right.

Marquis Daniels = an average first wing off the bench. An above average backup two and an average backup SF. An above average defender/rebounder at the two and cause matchup issues against backup twos (with his size, post game). At the three, a good defender but a sub-par rebounder who does not pose the opponent much of a problem offensively.

There is a difference there but I really don't see it being large enough to dramatically alter the Celtics playoff seeding.

[KGs Knee]

According to Chris Forsberg of ESPN, the C's will retain Green's bird rights apparently.  They also would be allowed to apply for an diasabled player exception, but likely will not, as it would cost them upwards of $27m.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4687222/what-greens-loss-means-to-cs

[RebusRankin]

AK-47, Thornton or Outlaw please.