Basketball ramifications of the Jeff Green situation.

[ctrey]

So (Personal attacks are not allowed here) I do not get this thread because I question if the Thunder may have had some knowledge of this problem after Green played for them for three and a half years?

[theswitch]

Assuming the NBA grants the Cs a Disabled Player Exemption of around $3.5m (half the QO for RFA Green), they should be able to get one of AK-47, K Mart or JR Smith for that on a one year deal, considering that there's almost no money left out there on NBA rosters for contending teams.

I'll take any one of them.  AK could be awesome here.  Him, KG and Rondo on the court at the same time is foreboding for the other team's offense.  

KMart, although I personally despise, plays with an edge that could be useful.  

JR Smith is a knucklehead, but has top of the league talent, and with KG, RA, and PP as mentors and Rondo as the conductor, could be 6th Man of the Year here.

Time for Ainge to make lemonade from this situation.    

How much will it take to get AK-47 from Russia? I think he's by far (really, really far) our best option here. Doc was lamenting how he wasted a month of preparation on the small-ball lineup with Green/KG at bigs - AK-47 could fill that void unlike Smith.

Other guy who could play that void is Outlaw, who is also an option.

[bbd24]

Honestly, its the difference between a 3rd seed and a 4th / 5th seed. 

+1. Maybe 6th seed even. And maybe first round out rather than a second. I am going into this season with no expectations though. I am really looking forward to when Danny starts blowing it up, which could be at the trading deadline this year. Then we will see if those who think he is a genius are right or those who think he is just okay (me) are right.

Way to early to be talking seeds.  How are we already a 6th or 7th seed when you add guys like Dooling, Wilcox, & Bass to the team ?

You guys are severely underrating these men, especially a guy like Wilcox.

Don't do it. It will come back & bite ya in the booty, believe me.

[bagwell368]

Kirilenko isn't an option, he's going to the Nets for sure, they have cap space a decent team and their owner is about to be el presidente of Russia.

[vinnie]

Honestly, its the difference between a 3rd seed and a 4th / 5th seed. 

+1. Maybe 6th seed even. And maybe first round out rather than a second. I am going into this season with no expectations though. I am really looking forward to when Danny starts blowing it up, which could be at the trading deadline this year. Then we will see if those who think he is a genius are right or those who think he is just okay (me) are right.

Way to early to be talking seeds.  How are we already a 6th or 7th seed when you add guys like Dooling, Wilcox, & Bass to the team ?

You guys are severely underrating these men, especially a guy like Wilcox.

Don't do it. It will come back & bite ya in the booty, believe me.

You mean the Same Chris Wilcox who is a journeyman, average power forward? The Chris Wilcox who is a mediocre to bad defensive player who sat on the bench for many games for the Pistons the last two years? Do you mean the Keyon Dooling who is really not much of an improvement over Delonte West? Or the Brandon Bass who is a slight upgrade over BBD, but who has one of the same issues BBD has -- he doesn't like to pass the ball. If these three guys are what is going to put the Celts over the hump, then the league is worse than I ever thought it could be.

[jc3celticsphan]

this really sucks. lost for words right now happy jeff will be okay and good thing he was signing his contract this season and they found this in his physical. but our bench is looking like this now.

dooling
moore
daniels
bass
wilcox

[TripleOT]

Because Green failed the physical, the one-year, $9 million contract he signed with the Celtics earlier this month is voided.

However, that doesn't mean the Celtics now have $9 million to spend elsewhere.

Because the C's are well over the league salary cap of about $58 million, the only thing they can offer free agents is a veteran minimum contract.

And the market, as one NBA executive told CSNNE.com on Saturday, is "extremely thin."

Good luck getting JR Smith or Kenyon to accept the vet min

Right, and David Stern would never veto the NO/LAL trade. Point is, you never know how the league, Stern, will view this.

I think A Sherrod Blakely got it wrong here, unless the Cs don't quality for a Disabled Player Exemption because green wasn't signed.  The whole intent of the DPE is for teams to recover short term from a debilitating injury to an asset, and as a RFA Green was an asset even if he wasn't signed yet.  

The fair thing to do here is for the NBA to grant the Cs half what green would have made in his rookie deal on the Qualifying Offer as the DPE amount.  

Now, Blakely might already know that the Cs aren't eligible for the DPE because Green wasn't signed.  If that's the case, he should make that distinction on CSSNE.

[Inside-Out]

I like the idea of starting Bass.

Rondo/Dooling
Ray/Quisy
PP/Pavolovic(yuck)
Bass/Wilcox
KG/JO

I don't mind this lineup, except for Pavolovic.  Don't like him in the rotation at all...deep bench guy.

But Bradley, J3, and Moore might compete for some rotation minutes this year, which would be great.  I think Moore is the most likely option to see some PT, with J3 limited until he gains more strengh to playing in blowouts.  That's all fine so long as it moves Pavolovic out of the rotation.

So we could still use some veteran depth at pretty much all positions except PG now.  Take the best talent, IMO, though fitting in with the system already will make it easier for the youngish guys to get the hang of things.  So I think filling out around Moore and J3 with more vets would be good.  Posey might be helpful for the minimum this way, and could perhaps play emergency minutes.  Delonte at the backup 2/3rd string PG would have been nice.

[bbd24]

Honestly, its the difference between a 3rd seed and a 4th / 5th seed. 

+1. Maybe 6th seed even. And maybe first round out rather than a second. I am going into this season with no expectations though. I am really looking forward to when Danny starts blowing it up, which could be at the trading deadline this year. Then we will see if those who think he is a genius are right or those who think he is just okay (me) are right.

Way to early to be talking seeds.  How are we already a 6th or 7th seed when you add guys like Dooling, Wilcox, & Bass to the team ?

You guys are severely underrating these men, especially a guy like Wilcox.

Don't do it. It will come back & bite ya in the booty, believe me.

You mean the Same Chris Wilcox who is a journeyman, average power forward? The Chris Wilcox who is a mediocre to bad defensive player who sat on the bench for many games for the Pistons the last two years? Do you mean the Keyon Dooling who is really not much of an improvement over Delonte West? Or the Brandon Bass who is a slight upgrade over BBD, but who has one of the same issues BBD has -- he doesn't like to pass the ball. If these three guys are what is going to put the Celts over the hump, then the league is worse than I ever thought it could be.

Don't do it.  Don't compare a player on a different team with this Celtic team.  You can't do it.  You'll be inaccurate EVERY time.  Especially when compared to a Piston team who was in total disaster mode ALL year last year.  Don't do it.

Let's see if you call him an average power forward come April.  When you're a member of the Celtic team, your role is defined early.  This isn't the Pistons, the Sonics, etc.   So stop comparing or saying who is going to be average and who isn't.  A team setup with the Hall of Famers like this get the best out of anyone joining the club.  Bottom line.  So compare all you want, but you'll be wrong each and every time.

Dooling is an upgrade over West, flat out.
Bass is an upgrade over BBD, bottom line.

All 3 of them are now on better teams to boot.  Add that up, and let's see what you say about them come April.

[Who]

A lot depends on Marquis Daniels' health.

If those doctors are right that Marquis is healthy + what they have fixed will make him less fragile in the future ... and if Marquis manages to stay healthy and play a large amount of games (massive "if")

Then there shouldn't be much of a difference to the Celtics W-L record.

[KGs Knee]

Dooling is an upgrade over West, flat out.
Bass is an upgrade over BBD, bottom line.

Dooling is an upgrade in terms of health, that is all though.  West is by far the more talented player.

Bass and Baby are about equal.

[vinnie]

A lot depends on Marquis Daniels' health.

If those doctors are right that Marquis is healthy + what they have fixed will make him less fragile in the future ... and if Marquis manages to stay healthy and play a large amount of games (massive "if")

Then there shouldn't be much of a difference to the Celtics W-L record.

I just cannot buy this line of thinking. While I am not a Jeff Green fan, I don't buy the fact that a guy the Celts were willing to pay him $9 million and who was played up by Danny and Doc as a key cog and who was going to be the 6th man can be replaced by marquis Daniels, even if he does stay healthy all year. If that is the case, then why didn't they try to sign and trade Jeff Green?

[Donoghus]

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No personal attacks

[33_Larry Legend_33]

I still say our need for another BIG is more important than another wing, of which I'm hopeful that Daniels can fill...

[sdceltsfan]

Kenyon and Smith are too obnoxious (although I do like their games respectively) to take a small deal.....they need that extra money to fill out their tatoo sleeves....lets get kirelenko