Brandon Bass Trade Question

[Evantime34]

It seems that the final deal was Bass for Wafer and Davis. How does this work? Davis already got signed for more than Bass correct? Are the Magic under the cap? If so did we get a trade exception for the difference in salaries?

[Roy H.]

There were two separate trades.  Bass was traded for BBD.  Wafer was traded separately, and fit into Orlando's trade exception they had.

Of course, that suggests that Wafer is making more than the minimum, which, when you think about it, is a little strange. 

[Evantime34]

There were two separate trades.  Bass was traded for BBD.  Wafer was traded separately, and fit into Orlando's trade exception they had.

Of course, that suggests that Wafer is making more than the minimum, which, when you think about it, is a little strange.  

Either you or Forsberg are wrong
"Why is Brandon Bass not able to practice after being acquired from Orlando in a sign-and-trade for Glen Davis? Remember that Von Wafer was a late addition to that deal and Joshua Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel noted that Davis was unable to practice this weekend while the Magic waited for Wafer's letter of clearance from the Italian team he played for during the lockout. Expect an influx of bodies on Monday when most of those paperwork issues can be resolved. "

[bfrombleacher]

Unrelated but kind of related tidbit. Apparently Dwight Howard and Glen Davis are friends, which is why they did this move. Desperation much?

[Roy H.]

There were two separate trades.  Bass was traded for BBD.  Wafer was traded separately, and fit into Orlando's trade exception they had.

Of course, that suggests that Wafer is making more than the minimum, which, when you think about it, is a little strange.  

Either you or Forsberg are wrong
"Why is Brandon Bass not able to practice after being acquired from Orlando in a sign-and-trade for Glen Davis? Remember that Von Wafer was a late addition to that deal and Joshua Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel noted that Davis was unable to practice this weekend while the Magic waited for Wafer's letter of clearance from the Italian team he played for during the lockout. Expect an influx of bodies on Monday when most of those paperwork issues can be resolved. "

I'm going with Sheridan being wrong.

Orlando will absorb Wafer's salary via the trade exception they gained when they traded Rashard Lewis to the Washington Wizards last December.

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2011/12/10/2625355/nba-rumors-magic-von-wafer-celtics-trade

Wafer will sign a three-year deal with the Magic as part of the deal, according to HOOPSWORLD.com. However, the last two years of the deal are believed to be non-guaranteed and the Magic will send Boston their $1.84 million traded-player exception they acquired last season from the Wizards, according to HOOPSWORLD.com

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-12-09/magic-to-acquire-big-baby-in-sign-and-trade-with-celtics#ixzz1gKhTRCs2

Plus, of course, using the trade exception is the only thing that makes sense under salary cap rules.  So, they're technically two different deals.  Danny or Smith might have made each deal contingent upon the other, but they're not technically the same transaction.

[Evantime34]

There were two separate trades.  Bass was traded for BBD.  Wafer was traded separately, and fit into Orlando's trade exception they had.

Of course, that suggests that Wafer is making more than the minimum, which, when you think about it, is a little strange.  

Either you or Forsberg are wrong
"Why is Brandon Bass not able to practice after being acquired from Orlando in a sign-and-trade for Glen Davis? Remember that Von Wafer was a late addition to that deal and Joshua Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel noted that Davis was unable to practice this weekend while the Magic waited for Wafer's letter of clearance from the Italian team he played for during the lockout. Expect an influx of bodies on Monday when most of those paperwork issues can be resolved. "

I'm going with Sheridan being wrong.

Orlando will absorb Wafer's salary via the trade exception they gained when they traded Rashard Lewis to the Washington Wizards last December.

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2011/12/10/2625355/nba-rumors-magic-von-wafer-celtics-trade

Wafer will sign a three-year deal with the Magic as part of the deal, according to HOOPSWORLD.com. However, the last two years of the deal are believed to be non-guaranteed and the Magic will send Boston their $1.84 million traded-player exception they acquired last season from the Wizards, according to HOOPSWORLD.com

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-12-09/magic-to-acquire-big-baby-in-sign-and-trade-with-celtics#ixzz1gKhTRCs2

Plus, of course, using the trade exception is the only thing that makes sense under salary cap rules.  So, they're technically two different deals.  Danny or Smith might have made each deal contingent upon the other, but they're not technically the same transaction.

Poop I was hoping for a trade exception.

[kozlodoev]

There were two separate trades.  Bass was traded for BBD.  Wafer was traded separately, and fit into Orlando's trade exception they had.

Of course, that suggests that Wafer is making more than the minimum, which, when you think about it, is a little strange. 

Orlando waved Arenas. Didn't that put them under the cap, so that they can take as much salary as needed?

[kozlodoev]

Unrelated but kind of related tidbit. Apparently Dwight Howard and Glen Davis are friends, which is why they did this move. Desperation much?

Apparently Howard said that he gave the Magic a list of moves they need to do to make him stay in Orlando, and they failed to comply -- so I guess grabbing old pal Glen Davis wasn't enough.

[Roy H.]

There were two separate trades.  Bass was traded for BBD.  Wafer was traded separately, and fit into Orlando's trade exception they had.

Of course, that suggests that Wafer is making more than the minimum, which, when you think about it, is a little strange. 

Orlando waved Arenas. Didn't that put them under the cap, so that they can take as much salary as needed?

Under the luxury tax, but not under the cap. 

They could use the 150% rule to bring back Baby (giving him a starting salary just over $6 million), but they had to do Wafer under a separate transaction (thus, the trade exception being necessary).

[Fafnir]

There were two separate trades.  Bass was traded for BBD.  Wafer was traded separately, and fit into Orlando's trade exception they had.

Of course, that suggests that Wafer is making more than the minimum, which, when you think about it, is a little strange. 

Orlando waved Arenas. Didn't that put them under the cap, so that they can take as much salary as needed?

No, they aren't close to under the cap right now. It got them under the tax line I believe.

[Fafnir]

Unrelated but kind of related tidbit. Apparently Dwight Howard and Glen Davis are friends, which is why they did this move. Desperation much?

Apparently Howard said that he gave the Magic a list of moves they need to do to make him stay in Orlando, and they failed to comply -- so I guess grabbing old pal Glen Davis wasn't enough.

If they officially appointed him GM would he stay?

Or would he then just trade himself away fast....

[Evantime34]

Can someone explain to me when you get a trade exception? My understanding is if we trade someone and the salaries do not match up you get the difference in salaries? Or is it only if you trade a player for a pick or cash (aka no salary coming back). If we traded Wafer for a salary exception do we get one in return? Wouldn't that be enough for Fernandez?

[Fafnir]

Can someone explain to me when you get a trade exception? My understanding is if we trade someone and the salaries do not match up you get the difference in salaries? Or is it only if you trade a player for a pick or cash (aka no salary coming back). If we traded Wafer for a salary exception do we get one in return? Wouldn't that be enough for Fernandez?

If you make a trade to a team and don't take back salary you get a trade exception equal to the salary you sent out.

So when Cleveland traded Lebron James to Miami they took back only picks and a 16 million dollar trade exception (which was equal to LBJ's salary)

Typically if a team is under the cap you get a trade exception, or when a team is using a trade exception to get a player the other team will get one in turn.

[Evantime34]

Can someone explain to me when you get a trade exception? My understanding is if we trade someone and the salaries do not match up you get the difference in salaries? Or is it only if you trade a player for a pick or cash (aka no salary coming back). If we traded Wafer for a salary exception do we get one in return? Wouldn't that be enough for Fernandez?

If you make a trade to a team and don't take back salary you get a trade exception equal to the salary you sent out.

So when Cleveland traded Lebron James to Miami they took back only picks and a 16 million dollar trade exception (which was equal to LBJ's salary)

Typically if a team is under the cap you get a trade exception, or when a team is using a trade exception to get a player the other team will get one in turn.

So we should get a TPE for Wafer then correct since they used theirs to trade him to us?

[Roy H.]

Can someone explain to me when you get a trade exception? My understanding is if we trade someone and the salaries do not match up you get the difference in salaries? Or is it only if you trade a player for a pick or cash (aka no salary coming back). If we traded Wafer for a salary exception do we get one in return? Wouldn't that be enough for Fernandez?

If you make a trade to a team and don't take back salary you get a trade exception equal to the salary you sent out.

So when Cleveland traded Lebron James to Miami they took back only picks and a 16 million dollar trade exception (which was equal to LBJ's salary)

Typically if a team is under the cap you get a trade exception, or when a team is using a trade exception to get a player the other team will get one in turn.

So we should get a TPE for Wafer then correct since they used theirs to trade him to us?

Yes, we'll get a trade exception equal to Wafer's salary + $100k.