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Re: Paul to Clipper deal submitted to League (and Reports say deal dead)
« Reply #75 on: December 12, 2011, 02:29:12 PM »

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The NBA has been been running the trade talks for Paul, usurping the power of general manager Dell Demps. The league took over the Hornets in December, and are angling to maintain value to sell the franchise for the highest possible price.

Having the Commissioner -- who is supposed to be looking out for the best interests of all 30 teams -- negotiating specifically on behalf of one of them is a huge conflict of interest to me.  It was one thing when Demps was walled off and allowed to do his own thing, but to allow the supposedly unbiased Commissioner to become Negotiator-In-Chief is a terrible situation for the league.  It makes it appear that Stern is steering CP3 to the franchise of his choice.

I for one like how Stern has handled this situation. Will there be a conflict of interest? Sure. But I think Stern is asking fair value for him of teams that are more than capable of meeting them, but are unwilling.

I'm willing to bet that if Ainge had the assets the other teams involved have this deal would have been made to Stern's approval long ago.

Re: Paul to Clipper deal submitted to League (and Reports say deal dead)
« Reply #76 on: December 12, 2011, 02:32:06 PM »

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No surprise to anybody, but per Woj:

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The NBA has been been running the trade talks for Paul, usurping the power of general manager Dell Demps. The league took over the Hornets in December, and are angling to maintain value to sell the franchise for the highest possible price.

Having the Commissioner -- who is supposed to be looking out for the best interests of all 30 teams -- negotiating specifically on behalf of one of them is a huge conflict of interest to me.  It was one thing when Demps was walled off and allowed to do his own thing, but to allow the supposedly unbiased Commissioner to become Negotiator-In-Chief is a terrible situation for the league.  It makes it appear that Stern is steering CP3 to the franchise of his choice.

I for one like how Stern has handled this situation. Will there be a conflict of interest? Sure. But I think Stern is asking fair value for him of teams that are more than capable of meeting them, but are unwilling.

I'm willing to bet that if Ainge had the assets the other teams involved have this deal would have been made to Stern's approval long ago.

Regardless of his negotiating strategy, the Commissioner shouldn't be acting as a GM, especially when he has a duty to treat the other 29 franchises equally.

As for his negotiating style, by pushing for a strong deal in NO's favor, he risks turning suitors off and having them turn elsewhere.  That already happened with the Lakers, and it could easily happen with the Clips.


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Re: Paul to Clipper deal submitted to League (and Reports say deal dead)
« Reply #77 on: December 12, 2011, 02:35:10 PM »

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Between this circus and Dwight Howard's small one, free agency is moving briskly. I wonder how many things haven't happened solely because of these two.

Re: Paul to Clipper deal submitted to League (and Reports say deal dead)
« Reply #78 on: December 12, 2011, 02:37:05 PM »

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No surprise to anybody, but per Woj:

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The NBA has been been running the trade talks for Paul, usurping the power of general manager Dell Demps. The league took over the Hornets in December, and are angling to maintain value to sell the franchise for the highest possible price.

Having the Commissioner -- who is supposed to be looking out for the best interests of all 30 teams -- negotiating specifically on behalf of one of them is a huge conflict of interest to me.  It was one thing when Demps was walled off and allowed to do his own thing, but to allow the supposedly unbiased Commissioner to become Negotiator-In-Chief is a terrible situation for the league.  It makes it appear that Stern is steering CP3 to the franchise of his choice.

I for one like how Stern has handled this situation. Will there be a conflict of interest? Sure. But I think Stern is asking fair value for him of teams that are more than capable of meeting them, but are unwilling.

I'm willing to bet that if Ainge had the assets the other teams involved have this deal would have been made to Stern's approval long ago.

Regardless of his negotiating strategy, the Commissioner shouldn't be acting as a GM, especially when he has a duty to treat the other 29 franchises equally.

As for his negotiating style, by pushing for a strong deal in NO's favor, he risks turning suitors off and having them turn elsewhere.  That already happened with the Lakers, and it could easily happen with the Clips.

I agree with this completely, with one caveat.  We really don't know how much Stern really is acting as a GM here.  There is a ton of misinformation, and it seems there are a lot of sources with agendas.  

The whole situation is ugly, and the league should have bought the team, to allow this to happen.  But, I am not willing to throw Stern under the bus on this one, based on some of these reports (many of them by reporters who have an axe to grind with Stern).

Re: Paul to Clipper deal submitted to League (and Reports say deal dead)
« Reply #79 on: December 12, 2011, 02:37:29 PM »

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No surprise to anybody, but per Woj:

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The NBA has been been running the trade talks for Paul, usurping the power of general manager Dell Demps. The league took over the Hornets in December, and are angling to maintain value to sell the franchise for the highest possible price.

Having the Commissioner -- who is supposed to be looking out for the best interests of all 30 teams -- negotiating specifically on behalf of one of them is a huge conflict of interest to me.  It was one thing when Demps was walled off and allowed to do his own thing, but to allow the supposedly unbiased Commissioner to become Negotiator-In-Chief is a terrible situation for the league.  It makes it appear that Stern is steering CP3 to the franchise of his choice.

yeah.  signing off on a deal to make sure it was in the interests of the league (i.e., that it made the franchise more appealing to a prospective buyer, which should be #1 priority for the league re: the hornets) was one thing.

what stern is doing really does seem like he's steering cp3 to the franchise of his choice (even if that franchise is new orleans). 

ANY of the clips packages that have been reported, as long as they included the t-wolves pick OR eric gordon, would have been a fair deal for the hornets that met the long term objectives for the franchise (rebuild, dont take on long term salary, get prospects, picks).
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Re: Paul to Clipper deal submitted to League (and Reports say deal dead)
« Reply #80 on: December 12, 2011, 02:37:35 PM »

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No surprise to anybody, but per Woj:

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The NBA has been been running the trade talks for Paul, usurping the power of general manager Dell Demps. The league took over the Hornets in December, and are angling to maintain value to sell the franchise for the highest possible price.

Having the Commissioner -- who is supposed to be looking out for the best interests of all 30 teams -- negotiating specifically on behalf of one of them is a huge conflict of interest to me.  It was one thing when Demps was walled off and allowed to do his own thing, but to allow the supposedly unbiased Commissioner to become Negotiator-In-Chief is a terrible situation for the league.  It makes it appear that Stern is steering CP3 to the franchise of his choice.

I for one like how Stern has handled this situation. Will there be a conflict of interest? Sure. But I think Stern is asking fair value for him of teams that are more than capable of meeting them, but are unwilling.

I'm willing to bet that if Ainge had the assets the other teams involved have this deal would have been made to Stern's approval long ago.

Regardless of his negotiating strategy, the Commissioner shouldn't be acting as a GM, especially when he has a duty to treat the other 29 franchises equally.

As for his negotiating style, by pushing for a strong deal in NO's favor, he risks turning suitors off and having them turn elsewhere.  That already happened with the Lakers, and it could easily happen with the Clips.

I agree, but if he values no deal higher than just any deal to get "something", then I see no problem really. I agree with you on though on the conflict of interest, but I think any owner with real stake on the future of NO would be handling this like Stern is doing.

I also think that there shouldn't be a rush to deal Paul. I think better packaged might come towards trade deadline. At worst, Paul leaves and they have cap space next year. There's also possibilities of sign and trade options during free-agency, while having the advantage of CP3 helping sell some tickets during the season.

I'm pretty sure the original Celtics trade proposals would have been accepted by Stern, since it's pretty much what he's been asking the rest of the teams involved of.

As for the Clippers, I'm not sure this has anything to do with Stern. From the get go the asking price has been Gordon (even before the veto), we'll have to see if at any point the Clippers were going to give up Gordon in this latest deal.

Re: Paul to Clipper deal submitted to League (and Reports say deal dead)
« Reply #81 on: December 12, 2011, 02:53:37 PM »

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Sources: Clippers were asked to part w/top five trade assets for CP3: Gordon, Minnesota pick, Kaman's expiring contract, Aminu and Bledsoe


bahhh.  this one's on the clippers.
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« Reply #82 on: December 12, 2011, 02:55:39 PM »

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Sources: Clippers were asked to part w/top five trade assets for CP3: Gordon, Minnesota pick, Kaman's expiring contract, Aminu and Bledsoe


bahhh.  this one's on the clippers.

If I'm the Clippers I pass on that too, when all I'm guaranteed is 1-2 years of Paul.  And I'm a huge Paul fan.

Clippers are a stronger franchise with those 5, though maybe not this year.

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« Reply #83 on: December 12, 2011, 02:56:38 PM »

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Sources: Clippers were asked to part w/top five trade assets for CP3: Gordon, Minnesota pick, Kaman's expiring contract, Aminu and Bledsoe


bahhh.  this one's on the clippers.

Hornets in the end submitted Aminu, Gordon, Kaman, Minny pick.

NO shot it down.

Sterns be trippin.

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« Reply #84 on: December 12, 2011, 02:57:00 PM »

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Sources: Clippers were asked to part w/top five trade assets for CP3: Gordon, Minnesota pick, Kaman's expiring contract, Aminu and Bledsoe


bahhh.  this one's on the clippers.

If I'm the Clippers I pass on that too, when all I'm guaranteed is 1-2 years of Paul.  And I'm a huge Paul fan.

Clippers are a stronger franchise with those 5, though maybe not this year.

Agreed. That is a lot to hand over.


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Re: Paul to Clipper deal submitted to League (and Reports say deal dead)
« Reply #85 on: December 12, 2011, 02:58:35 PM »

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Sources: Clippers were asked to part w/top five trade assets for CP3: Gordon, Minnesota pick, Kaman's expiring contract, Aminu and Bledsoe


bahhh.  this one's on the clippers.

Hornets in the end submitted Aminu, Gordon, Kaman, Minny pick.

NO shot it down.

Sterns be trippin.

Who reported this? 

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« Reply #86 on: December 12, 2011, 03:04:18 PM »

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No surprise to anybody, but per Woj:

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The NBA has been been running the trade talks for Paul, usurping the power of general manager Dell Demps. The league took over the Hornets in December, and are angling to maintain value to sell the franchise for the highest possible price.

Having the Commissioner -- who is supposed to be looking out for the best interests of all 30 teams -- negotiating specifically on behalf of one of them is a huge conflict of interest to me.  It was one thing when Demps was walled off and allowed to do his own thing, but to allow the supposedly unbiased Commissioner to become Negotiator-In-Chief is a terrible situation for the league.  It makes it appear that Stern is steering CP3 to the franchise of his choice.

Totally agree, Roy.
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« Reply #87 on: December 12, 2011, 03:05:14 PM »

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Sources: Clippers were asked to part w/top five trade assets for CP3: Gordon, Minnesota pick, Kaman's expiring contract, Aminu and Bledsoe


bahhh.  this one's on the clippers.

Hornets in the end submitted Aminu, Gordon, Kaman, Minny pick.

NO shot it down.

Sterns be trippin.

Who reported this? 
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« Reply #88 on: December 12, 2011, 03:05:17 PM »

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Sources: Clippers were asked to part w/top five trade assets for CP3: Gordon, Minnesota pick, Kaman's expiring contract, Aminu and Bledsoe


bahhh.  this one's on the clippers.

If I'm the Clippers I pass on that too, when all I'm guaranteed is 1-2 years of Paul.  And I'm a huge Paul fan.

Clippers are a stronger franchise with those 5, though maybe not this year.


nah.  when you have the chance to get a guy like chris paul, you go all in for it.  with the history that franchise has had? forget about the prospects.  go for the superstar. 

do you really think chris paul is gonna leave after playing with blake griffin for a year or two?  no way.


now, if it's true that the clips were willing to give up everything but bledsoe, and the hornets still shot it down, that's ridiculous.

really, though, sounds to me like both sides are to blame.  league asking for too much, and clips not willing to take enough of a risk to get a superstar to pair with blake griffin.  this is a watershed moment for the clippers franchise.  they've never had two players like griffin and paul. 
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« Reply #89 on: December 12, 2011, 03:08:29 PM »

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