Celtics need to leak trade for Dwight

[gift]

I believe the public nature of all of this Rondo talk has decreased his trade value.  I mean, there is no way Steph Curry should be valued more highly than Rondo right now (and he probably isn't, it's just posturing).

The Hornets are doing a great job of keeping the price for Chris Paul high.  I don't believe the Warriors and Clippers are serious contenders for Paul, but just the threat of him being traded to one of those teams keeps the price high for Boston, L.A. etc.

What the Celtics need to do, not only to increase Rondo's perceived value, but to also keep Chris Paul's trade market value reasonably in check, is to leak a rumor about some sort of Rondo, Green, Bradley + picks package for Dwight Howard.

This puts Rondo's name next to the only available chip that is more valuable than Chris Paul.  It also makes the Hornets think twice, or at least pause.

I think it's worth a try, even if most people believe it to be a ridiculous proposal.  It's not like another Rondo rumor is going to hurt anyone more than what has already been so public.

Anyone want to start a Rondo for Howard rumor?  We have social media at our disposal.  Should we spread the word?

[moiso]

I agree that guys like Stephen Curry and Darren Collison are not even close to being in the same league as Rondo.

I wish Danny would actually try to get Howard instead of Paul.  I think Howard will be better for a far longer time period.

[CDawg834]

The Hornets have plenty of other options besides Boston to deal with, so I don't think they'd be too worried about it.  This isn't a "who blinks first?" between Boston and NO.  The Clippers, Warriors, etc. are all in play here.  Not to mention, if CP3 goes elsewhere, the relationship between Rondo and management would be even further strained by additional (and now made-up) trade rumors. 

There's no Howard deal to be made as they would want a big man coming back in any deal they entertain, so this would be counterproductive and would backfire horribly if CP3 is traded to another team.

[GranTur]

I believe the public nature of all of this Rondo talk has decreased his trade value.  I mean, there is no way Steph Curry should be valued more highly than Rondo right now (and he probably isn't, it's just posturing).

The Hornets are doing a great job of keeping the price for Chris Paul high.  I don't believe the Warriors and Clippers are serious contenders for Paul, but just the threat of him being traded to one of those teams keeps the price high for Boston, L.A. etc.

What the Celtics need to do, not only to increase Rondo's perceived value, but to also keep Chris Paul's trade market value reasonably in check, is to leak a rumor about some sort of Rondo, Green, Bradley + picks package for Dwight Howard.

This puts Rondo's name next to the only available chip that is more valuable than Chris Paul.  It also makes the Hornets think twice, or at least pause.

I think it's worth a try, even if most people believe it to be a ridiculous proposal.  It's not like another Rondo rumor is going to hurt anyone more than what has already been so public.

Anyone want to start a Rondo for Howard rumor?  We have social media at our disposal.  Should we spread the word?

GMs that leak fake trade rumors ruin relationships with the other team. How do you think the Magic would feel? That's like a huge NBA no-no and doesn't happen.

[Fafnir]

I believe the public nature of all of this Rondo talk has decreased his trade value.  I mean, there is no way Steph Curry should be valued more highly than Rondo right now (and he probably isn't, it's just posturing).

The Hornets are doing a great job of keeping the price for Chris Paul high.  I don't believe the Warriors and Clippers are serious contenders for Paul, but just the threat of him being traded to one of those teams keeps the price high for Boston, L.A. etc.

What the Celtics need to do, not only to increase Rondo's perceived value, but to also keep Chris Paul's trade market value reasonably in check, is to leak a rumor about some sort of Rondo, Green, Bradley + picks package for Dwight Howard.

This puts Rondo's name next to the only available chip that is more valuable than Chris Paul.  It also makes the Hornets think twice, or at least pause.

I think it's worth a try, even if most people believe it to be a ridiculous proposal.  It's not like another Rondo rumor is going to hurt anyone more than what has already been so public.

Anyone want to start a Rondo for Howard rumor?  We have social media at our disposal.  Should we spread the word?

GMs that leak fake trade rumors ruin relationships with the other team. How do you think the Magic would feel? That's like a huge NBA no-no and doesn't happen.

It happens all the time.

[bruinsandceltics]

I believe the public nature of all of this Rondo talk has decreased his trade value.  I mean, there is no way Steph Curry should be valued more highly than Rondo right now (and he probably isn't, it's just posturing).

The Hornets are doing a great job of keeping the price for Chris Paul high.  I don't believe the Warriors and Clippers are serious contenders for Paul, but just the threat of him being traded to one of those teams keeps the price high for Boston, L.A. etc.

What the Celtics need to do, not only to increase Rondo's perceived value, but to also keep Chris Paul's trade market value reasonably in check, is to leak a rumor about some sort of Rondo, Green, Bradley + picks package for Dwight Howard.

This puts Rondo's name next to the only available chip that is more valuable than Chris Paul.  It also makes the Hornets think twice, or at least pause.

I think it's worth a try, even if most people believe it to be a ridiculous proposal.  It's not like another Rondo rumor is going to hurt anyone more than what has already been so public.

Anyone want to start a Rondo for Howard rumor?  We have social media at our disposal.  Should we spread the word?

GMs that leak fake trade rumors ruin relationships with the other team. How do you think the Magic would feel? That's like a huge NBA no-no and doesn't happen.

You ever see all those rumors......like all of them....where they say "A source close to the situation?"

Who do you think those sources are? Happens often.

[Fafnir]

You ever see all those rumors......like all of them....where they say "A source close to the situation?"

Who do you think those sources are? Happens often.

Often agents, often GMs or front office people, often the teams conspire to create a fake trade rumor that both sides shoot down etc...

[bruinsandceltics]

I agree with the premise of this thread.

-It helps the perceived value of Rondo.
-It shows CP3 that we are serious in getting younger and becoming a long term contender.
-It gives us just a little more leverage
-Most importantly, it shows the fans that the Celtics are going to go all in to try to keep the team as a title contender.

I like it. Celtics should hire you as a PR guy. 

[bruinsandceltics]

You ever see all those rumors......like all of them....where they say "A source close to the situation?"

Who do you think those sources are? Happens often.

Often agents, often GMs or front office people, often the teams conspire to create a fake trade rumor that both sides shoot down etc...

Exactly, GMs do whatever is in the best interest of their team. If creating leverage through fake trade rumors is necessary, well than they will do it.

[GranTur]

Give me an example where a team completely fabricated a trade rumor over a player out of thin air like this thread proposes to do with the Magic.

[gift]

I agree with you here...Yes, if you think the Warriors and Clippers are still serious players and you think that the damage done by a Rondo for Howard rumor would be worse than what's already been done by the Rondo for Paul rumors, then this might prove to be counterproductive.  

I guess I'm posing that that is not the case, and if not, what strategy is there?  Where does Boston get more leverage than they have now?  The Hornets should be the most desperate team involved, yet they are playing things perfectly so far.  They have maintained a high trade value for Chris Paul and appear willing to hold on to him despite the inevitability that he will be moved (he must be moved!).  

It may not be as simple as a "who blinks first" scenario, but it certainly is about leverage and maintaining asset value.  Right now Rondo is, if you are to believe the rumors, a slightly undervalued asset because it appears the Celtics are so eager to deal him (despite there being less of a need for the Celtics to deal Rondo, than the Hornets to deal Paul).  How do they get that value back?

The only options I see are to pull back from discussions (and risk missing out by not being involved), or start exploring other trade possibilities (yes, also risky).

I guess there would be a third option, that would be continually increasing your offer, so that the overall value of your trade package increases, while the individual pieces remain low.  But there is obviously a limit to this strategy as well, especially for the Celtics.

[bruinsandceltics]

Give me an example where a team completely fabricated a trade rumor over a player out of thin air like this thread proposes to do with the Magic.

Do you really think GMs would come out after the fact and say they completely fabricated that rumor?

There will never be proof that it happens, unless you work with GMs. It just happens.

[Fafnir]

Give me an example where a team completely fabricated a trade rumor over a player out of thin air like this thread proposes to do with the Magic.

How can we give examples of fabricated rumors when often one or both teams completely deny the trade rumors immediately thereafter?

I can give you plenty of examples where one or both sides quickly dismiss trade rumors. This is functionally the same thing as what you're asking. Most of them never happen, many end up being grounded in reality.

[GranTur]

I can give you plenty of examples where one or both sides quickly dismiss trade rumors. This is functionally the same thing as what you're asking. Most of them never happen, many end up being grounded in reality.

I agree that there are a thousand examples of that.

That's not what I'm saying, and that's not what this thread proposes.

I'm just arguing that making up a rumor completely and leaking it is not done by GMS as a collective TEAM decision like this thread proposes. Sure team officials that catch wind of things leak, exaggerate, or misreport things and the media makes things up and twists things, but teams don't make collective decisions to make up trade rumors about teams. That's a huge no-no.

[Fafnir]

but teams don't make collective decisions to make up trade rumors about teams. That's a huge no-no.

They do it all the time, they do it to put pressure on their desired trade partners. GMs often work together to cook up the fake trades to drive up the price, but that doesn't always happen sometimes its just one side doing it.