Celtics, Warriors, Clippers "strongly engaged" in Chris Paul talks

[Kane3387]

Celts want CP3. Hornets do not want RRondo. We need a third team.

Larry Legend can help us get CP3.

Indiana gets: Rondo

NOH gets:Hibbert, George, Collison and Glen Davis

Cs get: CP3

It works in Trade machine with JO substituted for a S&T Glen Davis, since salaries will be close and can't do S&Ts with Trade Machine.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7cvdpj5

Hornets get a lot of youth which they want at 4 different positions.

Maybe we have to give Ind our first round pick this year, not Clips pick.

No chance on Indy's part. they'll only give 2 of the 3, maybe hansborough as well and NO sends them West in an S&T.

Shoot if they sign Nene they don't need Hibbert. Bird is in Denver talking to him.

Indy thinks Nene is more a PF than a C.

They want to put Hibbert and Nene alongside one another. Hibbert even acted as recruiter in the summer trying to talk Nene into coming to Indiana to play alongside him.

Side note - I read an interesting article on Hibbert this morning ... Hibbert also spent part of the summer training with Tim Duncan. Mainly working on his face up game and bank shot. So hopefully we'll see some more out of him this season. Also added 10lbs of muscle.

Well supposedly they decided not to pursue West bc they want Hansbrough to get more minutes and really liked what they saw from him.

It's possible Bird wants to more and Nene and Rondo could do that. Hibbert can't. Rondo, Granger, and Nene is a solid trio for Indiana.

[Who]

Celts want CP3. Hornets do not want RRondo. We need a third team.

Larry Legend can help us get CP3.

Indiana gets: Rondo

NOH gets:Hibbert, George, Collison and Glen Davis

Cs get: CP3

It works in Trade machine with JO substituted for a S&T Glen Davis, since salaries will be close and can't do S&Ts with Trade Machine.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7cvdpj5

Hornets get a lot of youth which they want at 4 different positions.

Maybe we have to give Ind our first round pick this year, not Clips pick.

No chance on Indy's part. they'll only give 2 of the 3, maybe hansborough as well and NO sends them West in an S&T.

Shoot if they sign Nene they don't need Hibbert. Bird is in Denver talking to him.

Indy thinks Nene is more a PF than a C.

They want to put Hibbert and Nene alongside one another. Hibbert even acted as recruiter in the summer trying to talk Nene into coming to Indiana to play alongside him.

Side note - I read an interesting article on Hibbert this morning ... Hibbert also spent part of the summer training with Tim Duncan. Mainly working on his face up game and bank shot. So hopefully we'll see some more out of him this season. Also added 10lbs of muscle.

Well supposedly they decided not to pursue West bc they want Hansbrough to get more minutes and really liked what they saw from him.

It's possible Bird wants to more and Nene and Rondo could do that. Hibbert can't. Rondo, Granger, and Nene is a solid trio for Indiana.

I read that they passed on David West for financial reasons.

They weren't sure he was worth his contract demands. Especially, at 31, towards the final few years of the deal. Also, the health concerns.

[Fafnir]

at this point, it's hard to see rondo with the team beyond this season whether or not we successfully trade for CP3.

If he can't handle trade talks, he needs to find a new profession.

Almost every player in the NBA gets traded.

I don't think the trade speculation means he's automatically gone if Danny is unsuccessful in getting CP3.

[theswitch]

Trading Rondo for CP3 is perfectly reasonable, adding in Jeff Green is probably a little undesirable but for the most part understandable and fair, but trading Rondo, Green and two first round picks for CP3 without an extension is completely mortgaging the future of this franchise. I don't know why Danny and Doc, who is signed for five more years, would want to risk heading into next year with Avery Bradley, Paul Pierce and JaJuan Johnson under contract, along with presumably no draft picks. Unless they strike gold in free agency - and if CP3 leaves, then there's no real gold to strike - this will be the worst team in the NBA next season.

Sure, having Rondo, Green and two picks isn't going to win another championship after this year anyways, but proper drafting can at least put them into a position of possibly succeeding in the future. Doing this deal is borderline irresponsible if you don't win a championship this year. I guess that's the if...

And at this point, Rondo is probably going crazy.

[Cman]

It doesn't sound like Eric Gordon is in any of the Clippers trade proposals.

Nope.

Looks like they're trying to keep him.

Paul + Gordon + Griffin is a heck of a core.

Rondo + Gordon + Griffin also isn't that bad.

[Kane3387]

at this point, it's hard to see rondo with the team beyond this season whether or not we successfully trade for CP3.

If he can't handle trade talks, he needs to find a new profession.

Almost every player in the NBA gets traded.

I don't think the trade speculation means he's automatically gone if Danny is unsuccessful in getting CP3.

Agreed. It's ridiculous. It's part of the job. Don't like it, then get a jump shot. I saw Derrick Rose develop a very solid outside shot over the summer. I don't think Rondo shoots enough. He's too busy rollerskating I guess. JK about that. I appreciate Rondo, but I worry about how much better he will actually get.

It doesn't make sense that the one area of his game that needs improving the most never seems to make a lot of improvement. All the great players always brought something new to their games after the summer and yet he can't even hit an 18 footer consistently. Say what you want about Perk but it costs us a title in 2010 when Kobe switched on him and they left him open.

[ausbacker]

Celtics can't pull off a trade without involving a 3rd team...not enough assets.

I agree. I'm finding it difficult to see what assets the Celtics have to lure players here.

[bbd24]

Trading Rondo for CP3 is perfectly reasonable, adding in Jeff Green is probably a little undesirable but for the most part understandable and fair, but trading Rondo, Green and two first round picks for CP3 without an extension is completely mortgaging the future of this franchise. I don't know why Danny and Doc, who is signed for five more years, would want to risk heading into next year with Avery Bradley, Paul Pierce and JaJuan Johnson under contract, along with presumably no draft picks. Unless they strike gold in free agency - and if CP3 leaves, then there's no real gold to strike - this will be the worst team in the NBA next season.

Sure, having Rondo, Green and two picks isn't going to win another championship after this year anyways, but proper drafting can at least put them into a position of possibly succeeding in the future. Doing this deal is borderline irresponsible if you don't win a championship this year. I guess that's the if...

And at this point, Rondo is probably going crazy.

Tough to speculate IMO.  If no money is given to guys like Paul or Green, won't you have money to spend in a darn good free agent class ?

Who knows at that point.  Anything can happen.  Anyone could be signed.

[Fafnir]

at this point, it's hard to see rondo with the team beyond this season whether or not we successfully trade for CP3.

If he can't handle trade talks, he needs to find a new profession.

Almost every player in the NBA gets traded.

I don't think the trade speculation means he's automatically gone if Danny is unsuccessful in getting CP3.

Agreed. It's ridiculous. It's part of the job. Don't like it, then get a jump shot. I saw Derrick Rose develop a very solid outside shot over the summer. I don't think Rondo shoots enough. He's too busy rollerskating I guess. JK about that. I appreciate Rondo, but I worry about how much better he will actually get.

It doesn't make sense that the one area of his game that needs improving the most never seems to make a lot of improvement. All the great players always brought something new to their games after the summer and yet he can't even hit an 18 footer consistently. Say what you want about Perk but it costs us a title in 2010 when Kobe switched on him and they left him open.

Derek Rose is a more natural shooter than Rondo, better base to improve off of. His shooting wasn't really that different though his main addition was an improvement in his 3 point shot, one that I don't entirely buy because it was extremely streaky.

[Kane3387]

at this point, it's hard to see rondo with the team beyond this season whether or not we successfully trade for CP3.

If he can't handle trade talks, he needs to find a new profession.

Almost every player in the NBA gets traded.

I don't think the trade speculation means he's automatically gone if Danny is unsuccessful in getting CP3.

Agreed. It's ridiculous. It's part of the job. Don't like it, then get a jump shot. I saw Derrick Rose develop a very solid outside shot over the summer. I don't think Rondo shoots enough. He's too busy rollerskating I guess. JK about that. I appreciate Rondo, but I worry about how much better he will actually get.

It doesn't make sense that the one area of his game that needs improving the most never seems to make a lot of improvement. All the great players always brought something new to their games after the summer and yet he can't even hit an 18 footer consistently. Say what you want about Perk but it costs us a title in 2010 when Kobe switched on him and they left him open.

Derek Rose is a more natural shooter than Rondo, better base to improve off of. His shooting wasn't really that different though his main addition was an improvement in his 3 point shot, one that I don't entirely buy because it was extremely streaky.

Regardless he hasn't improved that much. His outside shooting and free throw shooting are abysmal.

[theswitch]

Trading Rondo for CP3 is perfectly reasonable, adding in Jeff Green is probably a little undesirable but for the most part understandable and fair, but trading Rondo, Green and two first round picks for CP3 without an extension is completely mortgaging the future of this franchise. I don't know why Danny and Doc, who is signed for five more years, would want to risk heading into next year with Avery Bradley, Paul Pierce and JaJuan Johnson under contract, along with presumably no draft picks. Unless they strike gold in free agency - and if CP3 leaves, then there's no real gold to strike - this will be the worst team in the NBA next season.

Sure, having Rondo, Green and two picks isn't going to win another championship after this year anyways, but proper drafting can at least put them into a position of possibly succeeding in the future. Doing this deal is borderline irresponsible if you don't win a championship this year. I guess that's the if...

And at this point, Rondo is probably going crazy.

Tough to speculate IMO.  If no money is given to guys like Paul or Green, won't you have money to spend in a darn good free agent class ?

Who knows at that point.  Anything can happen.  Anyone could be signed.

That's the thing though, it's not that great a class. We aren't getting Deron, most likely, either way. If CP3 walks, we are not getting Howard. Past that, you've got a ton of talent that is expected to resign - Rose, Westbrook, Gordon, Love, Hibbert, Lopez. Maybe one or two of those guys will flirt with the free agent market, but they aren't worth max contracts and will probably command close to that on the open market. It's swinging for the fences and if you miss, don't win and CP3 leaves, then you're caught with nothing for the next few years.

[Fafnir]

at this point, it's hard to see rondo with the team beyond this season whether or not we successfully trade for CP3.

If he can't handle trade talks, he needs to find a new profession.

Almost every player in the NBA gets traded.

I don't think the trade speculation means he's automatically gone if Danny is unsuccessful in getting CP3.

Agreed. It's ridiculous. It's part of the job. Don't like it, then get a jump shot. I saw Derrick Rose develop a very solid outside shot over the summer. I don't think Rondo shoots enough. He's too busy rollerskating I guess. JK about that. I appreciate Rondo, but I worry about how much better he will actually get.

It doesn't make sense that the one area of his game that needs improving the most never seems to make a lot of improvement. All the great players always brought something new to their games after the summer and yet he can't even hit an 18 footer consistently. Say what you want about Perk but it costs us a title in 2010 when Kobe switched on him and they left him open.

Derek Rose is a more natural shooter than Rondo, better base to improve off of. His shooting wasn't really that different though his main addition was an improvement in his 3 point shot, one that I don't entirely buy because it was extremely streaky.

Regardless he hasn't improved that much. His outside shooting and free throw shooting are abysmal.

I was referring to your claim that Rose improved.

Neither player has really progressed as a shooter, but Rose is a more natural at it more likely to improve because of that.

[barefacedmonk]

Rondo + Green + Two first picks for CP3 seems a bit too much. Especially with his knee issues...could end up being Brandon Roy 2.0

[BballTim]

at this point, it's hard to see rondo with the team beyond this season whether or not we successfully trade for CP3.

If he can't handle trade talks, he needs to find a new profession.

Almost every player in the NBA gets traded.

I don't think the trade speculation means he's automatically gone if Danny is unsuccessful in getting CP3.

Agreed. It's ridiculous. It's part of the job. Don't like it, then get a jump shot. I saw Derrick Rose develop a very solid outside shot over the summer. I don't think Rondo shoots enough. He's too busy rollerskating I guess. JK about that. I appreciate Rondo, but I worry about how much better he will actually get.

It doesn't make sense that the one area of his game that needs improving the most never seems to make a lot of improvement. All the great players always brought something new to their games after the summer and yet he can't even hit an 18 footer consistently. Say what you want about Perk but it costs us a title in 2010 when Kobe switched on him and they left him open.

Derek Rose is a more natural shooter than Rondo, better base to improve off of. His shooting wasn't really that different though his main addition was an improvement in his 3 point shot, one that I don't entirely buy because it was extremely streaky.

Regardless he hasn't improved that much. His outside shooting and free throw shooting are abysmal.

  If you compare where Rondo is as a player to where he was a few years ago, it's easy to argue that he's improved as much as any other pg in the game.

[bbd24]

Trading Rondo for CP3 is perfectly reasonable, adding in Jeff Green is probably a little undesirable but for the most part understandable and fair, but trading Rondo, Green and two first round picks for CP3 without an extension is completely mortgaging the future of this franchise. I don't know why Danny and Doc, who is signed for five more years, would want to risk heading into next year with Avery Bradley, Paul Pierce and JaJuan Johnson under contract, along with presumably no draft picks. Unless they strike gold in free agency - and if CP3 leaves, then there's no real gold to strike - this will be the worst team in the NBA next season.

Sure, having Rondo, Green and two picks isn't going to win another championship after this year anyways, but proper drafting can at least put them into a position of possibly succeeding in the future. Doing this deal is borderline irresponsible if you don't win a championship this year. I guess that's the if...

And at this point, Rondo is probably going crazy.

Tough to speculate IMO.  If no money is given to guys like Paul or Green, won't you have money to spend in a darn good free agent class ?

Who knows at that point.  Anything can happen.  Anyone could be signed.

That's the thing though, it's not that great a class. We aren't getting Deron, most likely, either way. If CP3 walks, we are not getting Howard. Past that, you've got a ton of talent that is expected to resign - Rose, Westbrook, Gordon, Love, Hibbert, Lopez. Maybe one or two of those guys will flirt with the free agent market, but they aren't worth max contracts and will probably command close to that on the open market. It's swinging for the fences and if you miss, don't win and CP3 leaves, then you're caught with nothing for the next few years.

It was a sure thing they weren't getting KG.  Then, next thing you know......

Just tough to speculate what will or won't happen.