OJ Mayo

[LilRip]

OJ Mayo is buried on that Memphis bench. if we're giving up a potential 6th man of the year guy for him, the Griz better sweeten the deal. (not a fan of Baby but gotta call a spade a spade. I like Mayo and would want him for the C's but his value is pretty low methinks and i think he could be gotten for cheap).

[jr_3421]

^ This might have been the case during the regular season but Mayo showed up at big times for the Grizzlies during the playoffs while BBD play wasn't at all impressive.

[RedsCeltics34]

Especially if the trade involves Baby.

TP lol

Lol thanks man. Baby is so frustrating I dont think I can take another year of his selfish basketball.

[ManUp]

I'd give up BBD and our 1st rounder for Mayo. He's coming off his first bad season after having a great rookie season and a solid sophmore year. I think the Grizzlies might have just had one too many scorers on the floor and Mayo became the odd man out. Mayo is supremely talented player and if we could get him while his value is low I think it'd be a real steal for us. It's too early to put a cap on his potential and say he could only be a sixth man he's still just 23/24. I think he could definitely be a long-term solution at the two moving forward.

[Fafnir]

I'd give up BBD and our 1st rounder for Mayo. He's coming off his first bad season after having a great rookie season and a solid sophmore year. I think the Grizzlies might have just had one too many scorers on the floor and Mayo became the odd man out. Mayo is supremely talented player and if we could get him while his value is low I think it'd be a real steal for us. It's too early to put a cap on his potential and say he could only be a sixth man he's still just 23/24. I think he could definitely be a long-term solution at the two moving forward.

My issue is that he hasn't improved one bit since he's come into the league. His level of play as a rookie was roughly the same as a sophmore and his third year he played himself to the bench.

He's not a particularly good scorer for a 2 guard, and his defense, rebounding, and passing is below average as well.

[ManUp]

I'd give up BBD and our 1st rounder for Mayo. He's coming off his first bad season after having a great rookie season and a solid sophmore year. I think the Grizzlies might have just had one too many scorers on the floor and Mayo became the odd man out. Mayo is supremely talented player and if we could get him while his value is low I think it'd be a real steal for us. It's too early to put a cap on his potential and say he could only be a sixth man he's still just 23/24. I think he could definitely be a long-term solution at the two moving forward.

My issue is that he hasn't improved one bit since he's come into the league. His level of play as a rookie was roughly the same as a sophmore and his third year he played himself to the bench.

He's not a particularly good scorer for a 2 guard, and his defense, rebounding, and passing is below average as well.

Honestly, what I see in Mayo is an above average scorer an average rebounder and passer. His shooting and ball handling make him more capable scorer than half the starters at shooting guard. By the numbers his rebounding and passing his first two seasons were about average for a shooting guard.

From what I've seen his defense isn't below average it's just his effort sometimes is. When he played against the Thunder his defense looked pretty good to me. Sure he got lit up a few times, but defensively he did what he was supposed to do. Stayed in front of his man and got his hand up. A big time scorer would give him trouble, but he can hold his own against most.

The lack of growth is definitely a concern, but he's too young to think he won't improve. He might just need a change of scenery. I just think the Grizzlies might not be the best fit for him.

[TaxiDriver2500]

Cmon. this guy is a great scorer. he certainly isnt afraid to take a shot, and doesnt seem to be a bad passer or rebounder by any strech for a two. He's still young though, in a league where it takes grown men to win a championship OJ would be a pretty decent young guy to pick up and try to develop further.

he's got a hell of a lot more upside than avery bradley

[Fafnir]

His rebounding his three years:

2008 6.1
2009 5.8
2010 5.8

League average is around a 7, similar for all SGs and for heavy rotation SGs

Assist Rate:

2008 16
2009 16.5
2010 16

League average AR is around 18, but among players who get his sort of minutes its around 20.

His TS% is right around average for a SG, depending which year you look at. His last year was well below it however, when he was tried as a bench player not a good sign.

[Fafnir]

Cmon. this guy is a great scorer. he certainly isnt afraid to take a shot, and doesnt seem to be a bad passer or rebounder by any strech for a two. He's still young though, in a league where it takes grown men to win a championship OJ would be a pretty decent young guy to pick up and try to develop further.

he's got a hell of a lot more upside than avery bradley

I think there is a big difference between being a great scorer, and being willing and able to take a bunch of shots.

OJ Mayo doesn't make enough of the shots he takes to be considered a great scorer. Scoring is his best attribute as a basketball player as well, so it all goes downhill from there.

A useful combo guard, but not someone you can build around.

[Inside-Out]

With the other big salaries the Griz have on the books, I think they might prefer a nice draft pick over taking on a player that needs to be paid in short order, meaning they might prefer to take the Clips pick than JGreen.

So, to pursue this fantasy, I think the question has to do with what someone thinks a lineup of Rondo, Mayo, and Green could accomplish in a couple of years, and what having Mayo AND Green coming off the bench THIS year could accomplish.

And when I think of that, I'm all for trading the Clips pick for Mayo.

[Fafnir]

And when I think of that, I'm all for trading the Clips pick for Mayo.

Well since the C's are over the salary cap I'm afraid it doesn't work straight up. We'd have to send equivalent salary back to them.

Also I don't think the C's want to tie up their future cap space in Mayo. Because just as the Grizzlies have to consider how much they'd have to pay him, so do the C's.

[Inside-Out]

And when I think of that, I'm all for trading the Clips pick for Mayo.

Well since the C's are over the salary cap I'm afraid it doesn't work straight up. We'd have to send equivalent salary back to them.

Also I don't think the C's want to tie up their future cap space in Mayo. Because just as the Grizzlies have to consider how much they'd have to pay him, so do the C's.

The Griz have pretty much already decided who they're going to spend their money on, though.  They're already on the hook for about $49 million in 2013/4 with Gay, Randolph, and Conley pretty much taking that up, and they have to decide on MGasol pretty quick.  I'd say it's pretty much a lock that Mayo will be gone soon, expecially with Xavier Henry and TA locked in for short money, UNLESS old pal CWallace decides they can make a run at it all this year (which is a possibility).

The C's, on the other hand, as we all know, have options, including keeping Mayo for around the MLE range on the upper end.

[anticipating responses]

Keeping max cap space open is only worth so much on the court.  Superstars aren't going to come to Boston to play with themselves.  They could stay home and do that. 

Making moves now, like locking up talented, proven, young rotation players that can share the load with a star NOW, and then having this season to show what they can do together, might help bring a top level player more than having only cash to throw at them next year.

[Fafnir]

Making moves now, like locking up talented, proven, young rotation players that can share the load with a star NOW, and then having this season to show what they can do together, might help bring a top level player more than having only cash to throw at them next year.

Locking up below average SGs to long term money is a formula I'm not going to be able to get behind.

Mayo hasn't shown enough skill or promise to be a piece worth giving up future cap room and flexibility before. You don't attract stars by having that level of talent. All you do is limit your opportunities to gather true elite talent.

Plus once again what would we trade to Memphis for him anyways, giving up future picks when after this year we're going to HAVE to rebuild strikes me as foolish.

[Inside-Out]

Making moves now, like locking up talented, proven, young rotation players that can share the load with a star NOW, and then having this season to show what they can do together, might help bring a top level player more than having only cash to throw at them next year.

Locking up below average SGs to long term money is a formula I'm not going to be able to get behind.

I think he's a better player than he's shown.  Coaching changes, crazy roster flux for several seasons (remember the AI fiasco?), and Mike Conley as your playmaker?  Just not a good fit, and never was.

He seems like a guy, and the Griz are in a situation, where he could be brought in without sending out much...and then flourish here in Boston.  There is opportunity here, I think.

Of course, like most things batted around here, it'll probably never happen...

[Fafnir]

Making moves now, like locking up talented, proven, young rotation players that can share the load with a star NOW, and then having this season to show what they can do together, might help bring a top level player more than having only cash to throw at them next year.

Locking up below average SGs to long term money is a formula I'm not going to be able to get behind.

I think he's a better player than he's shown.  Coaching changes, crazy roster flux for several seasons (remember the AI fiasco?), and Mike Conley as your playmaker?  Just not a good fit, and never was.

He seems like a guy, and the Griz are in a situation, where he could be brought in without sending out much...and then flourish here in Boston.  There is opportunity here, I think.

Of course, like most things batted around here, it'll probably never happen...

How much do you think they'd accept for him?

Why do you think he has the potential to be better? Before last year the Grizzlies gave him a ton of touches, minutes, and shot attempts. Only this year when he failed to produce they cut the cord starting a SG who they thought could give them more than just average scoring.