Rondo has been angry the Celtics are shopping him

[BballTim]

Rondo will be entering his 6th year. He is what he is.

He's a great playmaker, a stellar defender, but he has flaws in his game and to get the most out of Rondo, YOUR team NEEDS other great pieces.

CP3 will be entering his 7th season and he is a legit League MVP contender each and every year. YOUR team don't need great pieces with CP3, you can have a nice David West and an aging Peja as your 3rd best player and still compete out in the Western Conference.

If you put CP3 with other GREAT talent, that team is going to dominate.

  CP3 finished *behind* Rondo in MVP voting, and since he's never contended for a title probably needs other great pieces to do so (just like everyone else in the league, shockingly). Not to mention Rondo's shown quite a bit of improvement every year, to the point that he was arguably the best pg in the league last year until he had injury problems. Also, if you put Rondo with GREAT talent, the team is guaranteed to dominate.

[BASS_THUMPER]

id be angry too..

jacked my arm up and continue to ball..

telling and convincing the coach i can play and hoping i can be a factor in the game..even tho im suffering?

then when it's over you wanna take me to the pawn shop?


*sippin*

[guava_wrench]

Well, on the one hand..he should be mad....it is anti-loyalty...and most would feel the same...but, at the same time...it is a business....he is well paid...and this is the company he works for..that is trying to get ahead. But,if the players realized that they worked for these teams, and the fans..they would have never gone on strike..!

Is this sarcasm?

Because the players didn't go on strike. The owners stopped business as usual. The players would have been fine continuing to play.

Wouldn't it be pretty inexcusable for a fan to not know the difference between a lockout and a strike at this point.

[csfansince60s]

.....and the Celtics are "angry" that Rondo is moody and pouts and gets "angry" and want to trade him....and then Rondo gets "angry" and is moody and pouts that the Cs want to trade him....and then.......

GROW UP RONDO!

[2short]

as he should, our mvp, team leader who played willis reed like hurt for the celtics yet some of you term him a baby etc etc
anyone old enough to remember dave cowens basically walking away when paul silas was traded

rondo is the best leader we've had since bird, sure he's arrogant, confident, plays hard and irritates opposing players but will also get on his teammates if they don't play to his or team level

i don't think many of the younger guys know how bird REALLY was

[tenn_smoothie]

those high-maintenance emotional qualities that make Rondo moody or difficult to get along with at times are the same ones that fuel his desire to dive 10' along the floor to steal a ball and then amazingly convert it into a basket while Jayson Willaims tried to figure out what had just happened.

they are the same complex emotions that make Rondo insist on continuing to play with one arm after dislocating his elbow just becaue he loved his teammates and wanted to help them win.

the Rondo who has the courage to fight with Garnett in the locker room is the same player who defensively took over game 6 in the Finals in '08 and led the Celts to a very satisfying blowout of the Lakers to win title #17.


yes, he is difficult at times, but for me, he is a Celtic and he is worth it.

[Celtkicks.com]

I agree.  His attitude is a direct reflection of how he plays.  He  acts like he's got  a chip on his shoulder and he plays like he's got a chip on his shoulder.  If he was a selfish player,he'd be firing up mad shots.  He's known as a passer first.  The trade rumors got me heated.  I hope they were just rumors.   

[FallGuy]

Rondo will be entering his 6th year. He is what he is.

He's a great playmaker, a stellar defender, but he has flaws in his game and to get the most out of Rondo, YOUR team NEEDS other great pieces.

CP3 will be entering his 7th season and he is a legit League MVP contender each and every year. YOUR team don't need great pieces with CP3, you can have a nice David West and an aging Peja as your 3rd best player and still compete out in the Western Conference.

If you put CP3 with other GREAT talent, that team is going to dominate.

Rondo is going to keep improving. His long-2 jumper became credible last season. Shooting improvements will continue.

But unless CP3's knee is deteriorating at a rate we don't yet understand, it's unlikely Rondo will ever compare favorably to him.

[BballTim]

Rondo will be entering his 6th year. He is what he is.

He's a great playmaker, a stellar defender, but he has flaws in his game and to get the most out of Rondo, YOUR team NEEDS other great pieces.

CP3 will be entering his 7th season and he is a legit League MVP contender each and every year. YOUR team don't need great pieces with CP3, you can have a nice David West and an aging Peja as your 3rd best player and still compete out in the Western Conference.

If you put CP3 with other GREAT talent, that team is going to dominate.

Rondo is going to keep improving. His long-2 jumper became credible last season. Shooting improvements will continue.

But unless CP3's knee is deteriorating at a rate we don't yet understand, it's unlikely Rondo will ever compare favorably to him.

  If CP3's knee doesn't improve, Rondo's capable of comparing favorably to him.

[dtrader]

I agree.  His attitude is a direct reflection of how he plays.  He  acts like he's got  a chip on his shoulder and he plays like he's got a chip on his shoulder.  If he was a selfish player,he'd be firing up mad shots.  He's known as a passer first.  The trade rumors got me heated.  I hope they were just rumors.   

Shooters might take more shots if they are selfish, but obviously Rondo isnt a shooter.  His primary stat is assists.  It may seem counterintuitive, but for Rondo, padding his assist totals could be the equivalent of a shooter taking a ton of shots.  Obviously, if the shooters shots fall (or Rondos assists end in baskets) no one cares, but if either is done in excess, and leads to the offense being less efficient than it could, then it's a negative.  I'm not necessarily saying that's the case, but saying that Rondo would be shooting more if he was selfish isn't really accurate.

[action781]

Rondo will be entering his 6th year. He is what he is.

He's a great playmaker, a stellar defender, but he has flaws in his game and to get the most out of Rondo, YOUR team NEEDS other great pieces.

CP3 will be entering his 7th season and he is a legit League MVP contender each and every year. YOUR team don't need great pieces with CP3, you can have a nice David West and an aging Peja as your 3rd best player and still compete out in the Western Conference.

If you put CP3 with other GREAT talent, that team is going to dominate.

Rondo is going to keep improving. His long-2 jumper became credible last season. Shooting improvements will continue.

But unless CP3's knee is deteriorating at a rate we don't yet understand, it's unlikely Rondo will ever compare favorably to him.

  If CP3's knee doesn't improve, Rondo's capable of comparing favorably to him.

I disagree with you, Tim, as I have been in a few of these threads.  It's safe to say that we'll never know who is right until we see Rondo play without 3 HOFers.  We've seen CP lead teams w/o any fellow great players to 46+ win seasons.  We'll never know if Rondo is capable of leading a team comparable to last season's Hornets to 46+ wins until he actually plays with that kind of roster.  My opinion is not, but we won't know for sure until we get to see.

[FallGuy]

Rondo will be entering his 6th year. He is what he is.

He's a great playmaker, a stellar defender, but he has flaws in his game and to get the most out of Rondo, YOUR team NEEDS other great pieces.

CP3 will be entering his 7th season and he is a legit League MVP contender each and every year. YOUR team don't need great pieces with CP3, you can have a nice David West and an aging Peja as your 3rd best player and still compete out in the Western Conference.

If you put CP3 with other GREAT talent, that team is going to dominate.

Rondo is going to keep improving. His long-2 jumper became credible last season. Shooting improvements will continue.

But unless CP3's knee is deteriorating at a rate we don't yet understand, it's unlikely Rondo will ever compare favorably to him.

  If CP3's knee doesn't improve, Rondo's capable of comparing favorably to him.

That's effectively what I said.

But right now, CP3 is a far better PG.

[BballTim]

Rondo will be entering his 6th year. He is what he is.

He's a great playmaker, a stellar defender, but he has flaws in his game and to get the most out of Rondo, YOUR team NEEDS other great pieces.

CP3 will be entering his 7th season and he is a legit League MVP contender each and every year. YOUR team don't need great pieces with CP3, you can have a nice David West and an aging Peja as your 3rd best player and still compete out in the Western Conference.

If you put CP3 with other GREAT talent, that team is going to dominate.

Rondo is going to keep improving. His long-2 jumper became credible last season. Shooting improvements will continue.

But unless CP3's knee is deteriorating at a rate we don't yet understand, it's unlikely Rondo will ever compare favorably to him.

  If CP3's knee doesn't improve, Rondo's capable of comparing favorably to him.

That's effectively what I said.

But right now, CP3 is a far better PG.

  I think that's somewhat the opposite of what you said. And right now CP3 is a better pg than Rondo's overall play last year, but it's debatable whether he's any better than Rondo was playing in Nov/Dec.

[FallGuy]

Rondo will be entering his 6th year. He is what he is.

He's a great playmaker, a stellar defender, but he has flaws in his game and to get the most out of Rondo, YOUR team NEEDS other great pieces.

CP3 will be entering his 7th season and he is a legit League MVP contender each and every year. YOUR team don't need great pieces with CP3, you can have a nice David West and an aging Peja as your 3rd best player and still compete out in the Western Conference.

If you put CP3 with other GREAT talent, that team is going to dominate.

Rondo is going to keep improving. His long-2 jumper became credible last season. Shooting improvements will continue.

But unless CP3's knee is deteriorating at a rate we don't yet understand, it's unlikely Rondo will ever compare favorably to him.

  If CP3's knee doesn't improve, Rondo's capable of comparing favorably to him.

That's effectively what I said.

But right now, CP3 is a far better PG.

  I think that's somewhat the opposite of what you said. And right now CP3 is a better pg than Rondo's overall play last year, but it's debatable whether he's any better than Rondo was playing in Nov/Dec.

I'm sure we could both cherry pick good stretches for those two and a bunch of other PGs. Doesn't really advance the discussion though, does it?

Let me try it this way. Only amongst Celtics fans is there any doubt who the better player is.

[BballTim]

I'm sure we could both cherry pick good stretches for those two and a bunch of other PGs. Doesn't really advance the discussion though, does it?

Let me try it this way. Only amongst Celtics fans is there any doubt who the better player is.

  Haha. Care to back that up? You could start with all-star voting, where Rondo beat Paul by about 300k votes (20-25% more than CP3 got). Maybe there's doubt among people who realize that CP3's not the player he was in 2008. But, by all means, if you can demonstrate that nobody besides Celts fans has any doubt about who's the better player, go for it.