Jeff Green is a bust; Caron Butler better option off the bench

[CelticsFanNC]

Sooooooo...we're saying Jeff Green is a bust and the season hasn't started yet?

Plan for the worst hope for the best.

lol...no offense, but you sound like me yesterday while I was posting in a CP3 thread. I stated that I believed CP3 would re-injure himself right after he got traded to Boston.

That was admittedly rather pessimistic of me.

C'mon man have some faith in Jeff. Give him a training camp and we'll see what happens.

I have some hope but this school of thought allows me to be less upset if he doesn't deliver. I'm a big Jeff Green fan, he has all the tools to be a very good basketball player. Hopefully last year when he consistently made bad basketball decisions it was because he was nervous. It bothered me on o when he would pass up an open shot take a dribble into a contested shot or take a shot right away when it's contested.

Good point..I see your concern.

I expect Jeff Green to hit the court running this season, though. A more confident, aggressive Jeff Green. He will have a full understanding starting next friday what his teammates need from him.

He'll deliver.

  I have a pretty good feeling about Green if he is back in Boston this season as well.

  The situation he was thrown into last season had to be tough.  He gets traded for a very popular player not only among the fan-base but also in the locker room.  I think he tried to hard to fit in and not hard enough to stand out. 

 He came to a veteran team with championship aspirations that kind of plays exactly the opposite style of play he played in OKC.  The players on OKC stand around a lot waiting for either Durant or Westbrook to break down the defense.  Boston uses superior ball movement and crisp half court execution(when they are rolling anyways) on offense.  OKC is all offense all the time and defense seems to be an after thought.  Boston is the opposite.   This would have made coming in past mid-season a very difficult adjustment for anyone

  Doc Rivers didn't have the practice time after Green came over to really get a good grip on Green's strengths or weaknesses so therefore he never really incorporated him into the offense.   He never got into the flow offensively or defensively and never developed any on court chemistry with anyone.  That should change this season provided he is back.

  I expect him to be much improved defensively just like every other player who has spent much time in this system in recent year now that he knows what is expected of him.  I also expect him to resemble the guy who was a solid if unspectacular starter these past few seasons on a very solid team.  I expect Doc to have him more incorporated into what we do on offense and Green to be more aggressive.  I don't expect a superstar but I think he will open a lot of eyes around here.

[Celtics4ever]

He isn't got to have a lot of practice time to intregrate him this year earlier too.

[CelticsFanNC]

He isn't got to have a lot of practice time to intregrate him this year earlier too.

  But he will have a short training camp and some practice.  Last year he had almost none after that trade was made.  Doc has had a full off season plus to figure out how to best use him as well.

[2short]

I feel he is going to really blossom.  Main thing to me is he didn't force his offense to try and stand out last year (think davis).  He blended in in short time, sometimes looking ok, other times quite good.  The shots davis was heaving should have been offense for green.  He is also our best low post guy (as a sf) We need athletic wings to keep up with miami.  I love the idea of a 70's style running team where end of games we can have a lineup of kg at center, green pf, pierce sf, ray sg and rondo pg
We need to move Davis for a rebounder and keep everyone healthy.  Also marquis back as 3rd string sf, sg behind ray and west and even pg minutes is a no brainer.
Green a bust title is just silly.

I HAVE to add that a starting lineup of rondo, ray, green, kg and (insert center) with PP off the bench and ending games makes our TEAM that much better.

[green7]

he's not a bust dude a bust average 3 ppg game after being drafted in the top 5

[Meadowlark_Scal]

some say Green is a bust...I'd say BBD is more of a bust....not enough rebounds..his highest % is his shot getting blocked..he is never in basketball shape..maybe football shape...but basketball is not as forgiving to those who are out of shape. He did develop a needed 10 foot shot..but he didn't take full advantage of it, showing it was more of a shoot instead of go for layups or inside stuff.

  Defense, well, he covered shaq...but niconi and others like him would just shoot over him, then they would show him what to do when you have an outside shot, up fake and roll, or shoot over him. Ever see bbd on a fast break with rondo....no.. green ran all the time.

[Roy H.]

As others have said, Green isn't what I'd consider a "bust", necessarily.  However, I wouldn't hesitate to trade him for good value, especially after we know what's going on with the CP3 thing.

If we did move him, Butler would be a pretty good replacement, assuming he'd take the mini-MLE.

[Eja117]

I'm surprised with the results of the poll. Once I got to the word "better" I went with Caron and never looked back.

[pearljammer10]

I'm surprised with the results of the poll. Once I got to the word "better" I went with Caron and never looked back.

Same here. Plus Butler knows how to play off the bench and doesnt need big minutes to put up decent numbers and change a game for the short minutes he is in.

[Yogi]

I'm surprised with the results of the poll. Once I got to the word "better" I went with Caron and never looked back.

Same here. Plus Butler knows how to play off the bench and doesnt need big minutes to put up decent numbers and change a game for the short minutes he is in.

Just because we lucked out with one 30+ year old coming off surgery doesn't mean we should keep pressing our luck...

[xmuscularghandix]

I'm surprised with the results of the poll. Once I got to the word "better" I went with Caron and never looked back.

Same here. Plus Butler knows how to play off the bench and doesnt need big minutes to put up decent numbers and change a game for the short minutes he is in.

Just because we lucked out with one 30+ year old coming off surgery doesn't mean we should keep pressing our luck...

Exactly. I'll be waiting till after his first Boston training camp to decide if he's a "bust".

[Surferdad]

Agreed that Green is not a bust, but Caron is the better player.  If that's the choice, I go with Butler without hesitation.  Also, I think Bulter has the tougher mental attitude than Green.

[Celtics4ever]

Honestly, I think Green has been playing out of position for years.   He really isn't a four which he has been playing.  I think he would best served as a three.   Trouble is from what I have seen of him he doesn't have a complete skillset for the three ( dribbling is suspect and defense needs to improve) and doesn't have the size for a four(not as good as a rebounder as you's like at the four hole).

I think he going to be traded folks.  He was an asset who will be signed and traded with Davis to get us a piece.

[heitingas]

On the frontpage of the blog it says green won't sign an offer sheet from another team, is this a sign that he has offers or that he is willing to take the QO ?

And if we signed and traded him what could we get in return ?

[tyrone biggums]

I'm surprised no one has really made this point yet, but how can we consider Jeff Green a bust after half a season? To ask someone to come in the middle of February and learn all of the defensive schemes and zones that the Celtics work with is a tall order. Now that being said he did underachieve here, but I would give him another year before I label the guy a bust. This is why the deadline is pretty overblown. Hell the board pretty much gave the Thunder the NBA title once that deal was made. I feel we overvalue Perk and undervalue Green, the true value of both lies somewhere in the middle.