Jeff Green is a bust; Caron Butler better option off the bench

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To me jeff green is blah. A boring player who isn't great at anything. He'll easy get lost in the shuffle again. Celtics should ship him off somewhere for a center, perhaps to sacramento for Samuel Dalembert. And then sign Caron Butler to be THE leader off the bench.

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To me jeff green is blah. A boring player who isn't great at anything. He'll easy get lost in the shuffle again. Celtics should ship him off somewhere for a center, perhaps to sacramento for Samuel Dalembert.

That is a very nice trade idea.

I think Sacramento would jump at that offer. Dalembert too if gave him some extra cash (over Miami's MLE). Plus, with the depth on the wing in this year's free agent ... that could work out very nicely (this season).

[snively]

To me jeff green is blah. A boring player who isn't great at anything. He'll easy get lost in the shuffle again. Celtics should ship him off somewhere for a center, perhaps to sacramento for Samuel Dalembert.

That is a very nice trade idea.

I think Sacramento would jump at that offer. Dalembert too if gave him some extra cash (over Miami's MLE).

Sacramento is one of the few teams that actually has to spend a lot of money this year to reach the minimum threshold.  They might prefer to retain Dalembert and sign Jeff Green to significant money.

But Dalembert would be great fit for the team in the short-term.  With 5 straight years of at least 80 games played, he might be the most durable big in the league.  I also like that his offensive rebounding has kept up with age (typically the first thing to go in athletic rebounders, e.g. KG).

As for the OP, I'm not crazy about Caron Butler (too inefficient) and he'll be too expensive anyways.

[Kane3387]

To me jeff green is blah. A boring player who isn't great at anything. He'll easy get lost in the shuffle again. Celtics should ship him off somewhere for a center, perhaps to sacramento for Samuel Dalembert. And then sign Caron Butler to be THE leader off the bench.

Butler can get a betters deal then a 3 year deal that totals 9 mill. Not happening.

[Greenbean]

To me jeff green is blah. A boring player who isn't great at anything. He'll easy get lost in the shuffle again. Celtics should ship him off somewhere for a center, perhaps to sacramento for Samuel Dalembert. And then sign Caron Butler to be THE leader off the bench.

Butler can get a betters deal then a 3 year deal that totals 9 mill. Not happening.

Im not so sure about that.

He is now in the middle class of the NBA in my opinion. Its not as easy for teams to overpay for guys like Butler anymore.

He is still a very sreviceable player but his stock took a huge hit last year

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To me jeff green is blah. A boring player who isn't great at anything. He'll easy get lost in the shuffle again. Celtics should ship him off somewhere for a center, perhaps to sacramento for Samuel Dalembert.

That is a very nice trade idea.

I think Sacramento would jump at that offer. Dalembert too if gave him some extra cash (over Miami's MLE).

Sacramento is one of the few teams that actually has to spend a lot of money this year to reach the minimum threshold.  They might prefer to retain Dalembert and sign Jeff Green to significant money.

But Dalembert would be great fit for the team in the short-term.  With 5 straight years of at least 80 games played, he might be the most durable big in the league.  I also like that his offensive rebounding has kept up with age (typically the first thing to go in athletic rebounders, e.g. KG).

As for the OP, I'm not crazy about Caron Butler (too inefficient) and he'll be too expensive anyways.

Caron Butler career FG% 44.1% Paul Pierce career FG% 44.8%
I don't see your point?

9 man rotation
Rajon Rondo/Delonte West
Ray Allen/Caron Butler
Paul Pierce/Caron Butler
Kevin Garnett/Jajuan Johnson
Jermaine O'neal/Samuel Dalembert

[Fafnir]

Caron Butler career FG% 44.1% Paul Pierce career FG% 44.8%
I don't see your point?

I don't see the point in using just FG% to determine efficiency.

Caron Butler FG% 44.1
Paul Pierce FG% 44.8
Rajon Rondo FG% 48.6
Emeka Okafor FG% 51.6

Who's really more efficient as a player? Use eFG% to account for three pointers, or better TS% to account for free throws.

Caron Butler eFG% .462
Paul Pierce eFG% .499
Rajon Rondo eFG% .494
Emeka Okafor eFG% .516

Caron Butler TS% .524
Paul Pierce TS% .569
Rajon Rondo TS% .518
Emeka Okafor TS% .540

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Caron Butler career FG% 44.1% Paul Pierce career FG% 44.8%
I don't see your point?

I don't see the point in using just FG% to determine efficiency.

Caron Butler FG% 44.1
Paul Pierce FG% 44.8
Rajon Rondo FG% 48.6
Emeka Okafor FG% 51.6

Who's really more efficient as a player?

Butler & Pierce play the same position. Its fair to compare the two by their stats.

[Fafnir]

Caron Butler career FG% 44.1% Paul Pierce career FG% 44.8%
I don't see your point?

I don't see the point in using just FG% to determine efficiency.

Caron Butler FG% 44.1
Paul Pierce FG% 44.8
Rajon Rondo FG% 48.6
Emeka Okafor FG% 51.6

Who's really more efficient as a player?

Butler & Pierce play the same position. Its fair to compare the two by their stats.

Sorry I hit post before I was finished, see my above edit.

You're using entirely the wrong stats to compare offensive efficiency.

Another SF wing type and a SG:

Luc Mbah a Moute FG% 46.7
Richard Hamilton FG% 45.0

TS and eFG give you a better picture.

[Celtics4ever]

A lot of FG% depends on where they are shooting from.  Rondo is higher because he drives more, bigs are higher because they are closer.

[Liam W]

Jeff Green is okay man. I was able to watch quite a few Thunder games last season as a few of my friends are Thunder fans, I thought Green was pretty good up there with Durant + Westbrook

But when he came down to Boston I thought at times he struggled. He went from a Starter up in OKC to a Bench player here in Boston. Thats never going to help a players morale.

He is far from a bust, Thats insulting his career so far. Take a look at his numbers in OKC, Pretty good IMO

If he takes his qualiyfing offer which is around $6mill i think, Then we will be in good shape going forward. I would however like to sign him to a long term deal something like 5yr $40mill

But to call a 15ppg + 6rpg player a bust so early in his career is very insulting IMO

[Greenbean]

Caron Butler career FG% 44.1% Paul Pierce career FG% 44.8%
I don't see your point?

I don't see the point in using just FG% to determine efficiency.

Caron Butler FG% 44.1
Paul Pierce FG% 44.8
Rajon Rondo FG% 48.6
Emeka Okafor FG% 51.6

Who's really more efficient as a player? Use eFG% to account for three pointers, or better TS% to account for free throws.

Caron Butler eFG% .462
Paul Pierce eFG% .499
Rajon Rondo eFG% .494
Emeka Okafor eFG% .516

Caron Butler TS% .524
Paul Pierce TS% .569
Rajon Rondo TS% .518
Emeka Okafor TS% .540

Not to mention that Pierce has become a much more efficient player under Doc Rivers.

The years before that he was trending towards being a volume shooter a la Gilbert Arenas.

So if you compared shooting percentages of the 2 players for the last 4 years, Im sure Pierce blows Butler out of the water.

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To me jeff green is blah. A boring player who isn't great at anything. He'll easy get lost in the shuffle again. Celtics should ship him off somewhere for a center, perhaps to sacramento for Samuel Dalembert.

That is a very nice trade idea.

I think Sacramento would jump at that offer. Dalembert too if gave him some extra cash (over Miami's MLE).

Sacramento is one of the few teams that actually has to spend a lot of money this year to reach the minimum threshold.  They might prefer to retain Dalembert and sign Jeff Green to significant money.

But Dalembert would be great fit for the team in the short-term.  With 5 straight years of at least 80 games played, he might be the most durable big in the league.  I also like that his offensive rebounding has kept up with age (typically the first thing to go in athletic rebounders, e.g. KG).

As for the OP, I'm not crazy about Caron Butler (too inefficient) and he'll be too expensive anyways.

Caron Butler career FG% 44.1% Paul Pierce career FG% 44.8%
I don't see your point?

9 man rotation
Rajon Rondo/Delonte West
Ray Allen/Caron Butler
Paul Pierce/Caron Butler
Kevin Garnett/Jajuan Johnson
Jermaine O'neal/Samuel Dalembert

Caron Butler's game is mid-range Js, the least efficient shot in the game.  He doesn't draw a lot of fouls, or beat a lot of people off the dribble, and he doesn't hit 3's very well.  Pierce also thrives in the mid-range, but he's much more deadly from 3 and a much better slasher.

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To me jeff green is blah. A boring player who isn't great at anything. He'll easy get lost in the shuffle again. Celtics should ship him off somewhere for a center, perhaps to sacramento for Samuel Dalembert.

That is a very nice trade idea.

I think Sacramento would jump at that offer. Dalembert too if gave him some extra cash (over Miami's MLE).

Sacramento is one of the few teams that actually has to spend a lot of money this year to reach the minimum threshold.  They might prefer to retain Dalembert and sign Jeff Green to significant money.

But Dalembert would be great fit for the team in the short-term.  With 5 straight years of at least 80 games played, he might be the most durable big in the league.  I also like that his offensive rebounding has kept up with age (typically the first thing to go in athletic rebounders, e.g. KG).

As for the OP, I'm not crazy about Caron Butler (too inefficient) and he'll be too expensive anyways.

Caron Butler career FG% 44.1% Paul Pierce career FG% 44.8%
I don't see your point?

9 man rotation
Rajon Rondo/Delonte West
Ray Allen/Caron Butler
Paul Pierce/Caron Butler
Kevin Garnett/Jajuan Johnson
Jermaine O'neal/Samuel Dalembert

Caron Butler's game is mid-range Js, the least efficient shot in the game.  He doesn't draw a lot of fouls, or beat a lot of people off the dribble, and he doesn't hit 3's very well.  Pierce also thrives in the mid-range, but he's much more deadly from 3 and a much better slasher.

in fairness to caron, i think he was shooting pretty well from 3 last year prior to his injury.

[RebusRankin]

Green for Dalambert and then Butler for the MLE would be sweet.