Broussard: Celtics Would Consider Dealing Rondo

[DavorCroatiaFan]

I just dont understand one thing...Rondo's salary in 2012/13 is 11mil, CP3 is 17,8mil. So if we still wanna be a player for DH12, this 6,8mil could be a problem. If Howard makes 18mil, then CP3,PP,DH12,AB,3J would make about 51mil, so we would only have about 7mil + rookies + vetmin + 3milMLE...if we have RR  its 14mil + rookies + vetmin + 3milMLE
We could use this 14 mil for: 8mil Green, 3mil Ray and KG if they wanna stay here...
So we can have:
RONDO/BRADLEY/vet.min
ALLEN/2012Clippers pick/vet.min
GREEN/PIERCE(sixth man of the year)/vet.min
GARNETT/JOHNSON/vet.min
HOWARD/3milMLE /2012Celtics pick

[Chris]

Of course the Celtics would be open to dealing Rondo.... for the right deal. We've read/heard this every "off season" that Rondo has played for the C's.

In short, what Chris said:

And the sky is blue.  No one should be shocked that the C's would consider trading anyone on their roster.  Doesn't mean it is going to happen.

Thinking creatively: Rondo for a S&T Tyson Chandler.

I am all for trading Rondo in the right deal, but I don't think Chandler is that deal. 

Chandler has the same deficiencies as Rondo as far as building a future around a guy who can't be an offensive focal point, but is older, more injury prone, and will likely cost more money.

Yes, but his offensive flaws are more easily hidden since he's a C. However without a PG of Rondo's caliber our offense would fall apart, I don't think its a good idea.

Agreed.  In general though, I just don't think Danny will trade Rondo for a player who is not a better scorer.  I think that part of the rumor was right on.  

[PosImpos]

I just dont understand one thing...Rondo's salary in 2012/13 is 11mil, CP3 is 17,8mil. So if we still wanna be a player for DH12, this 6,8mil could be a problem. If Howard makes 18mil, then CP3,PP,DH12,AB,3J would make about 51mil, so we would only have about 7mil + rookies + vetmin + 3milMLE...if we have RR  its 14mil + rookies + vetmin + 3milMLE
We could use this 14 mil for: 8mil Green, 3mil Ray and KG if they wanna stay here...
So we can have:
RONDO/BRADLEY/vet.min
ALLEN/2012Clippers pick/vet.min
GREEN/PIERCE(sixth man of the year)/vet.min
GARNETT/JOHNSON/vet.min
HOWARD/3milMLE /2012Celtics pick

Answer is simple: trading for paul is acknowledging that we arent going to get howard via free agency and we dont have the pieces to trade for him

[Moranis]

I'll be curious to see how the trade rules are written.

The new agreement says that for non-taxpayers, salaries needs to be within 150% of each other.  For taxpayers, it's 125% + $100k. 

So, if one team is a taxpayer, and the other isn't, what happens?  Is it the the more restrictive 125%?  This makes the most sense.

In a CP3 trade, the salaries of Rondo and CP3 aren't within 125% of one another.  Would it make sense for us to amnesty JO, so that we could use the 150% provision?  Who would then play center?

I would think the rule would apply to the team, so if you were adding salary and were a tax team you would be stuck at 125%, but if you were deducting salary as the tax team and the other team was not a tax team it would be 150%.

[greenhead85]

I just dont understand one thing...Rondo's salary in 2012/13 is 11mil, CP3 is 17,8mil. So if we still wanna be a player for DH12, this 6,8mil could be a problem. If Howard makes 18mil, then CP3,PP,DH12,AB,3J would make about 51mil, so we would only have about 7mil + rookies + vetmin + 3milMLE...if we have RR  its 14mil + rookies + vetmin + 3milMLE
We could use this 14 mil for: 8mil Green, 3mil Ray and KG if they wanna stay here...
So we can have:
RONDO/BRADLEY/vet.min
ALLEN/2012Clippers pick/vet.min
GREEN/PIERCE(sixth man of the year)/vet.min
GARNETT/JOHNSON/vet.min
HOWARD/3milMLE /2012Celtics pick

Rondo and Ray Allen for CP3 and Ariza works, money-wise.
NOLA will lose CP3 after the season so they might as well trade him for another PG in Rondo and a scorer in Ray whose expiring contract could give them more cap room. With CP3 and Ariza we could match well against Miami especially if we use Ariza at SG. We could still go after Dwight with KG's expiring contract

[BballTim]

  If you trade for CP3 you better hope that all the rumors about his knee not getting much better are wrong.

[Celtics4ever]

This isn't going to happen.  Who owns the Hornets?   

That is why it isn't going to happen folks.  They are not going to destar a team that the they own.

[PosImpos]

This isn't going to happen.  Who owns the Hornets?   

That is why it isn't going to happen folks.  They are not going to destar a team that the they own.

You think the Hornets are more palatable to a potential buyer with Rondo + Green + Clippers pick locked up for the near future, or with Chris Paul with his bags already packed, ready to leave at the end of the season for another team?

[Fafnir]

This isn't going to happen.  Who owns the Hornets?   

That is why it isn't going to happen folks.  They are not going to destar a team that the they own.

You think the Hornets are more palatable to a potential buyer with Rondo + Green + Clippers pick locked up for the near future, or with Chris Paul with his bags already packed, ready to leave at the end of the season for another team?

Yeah this is the sort of trade that happens around mid-season after all the relevant bids are in for the player.

[WeMadeIt17]

Seeing that he may want more of a scorer Danny may go after Westbrook.. kid is sick his Avg's were 21 ppg and 8APG not bad can move the ball and score at will. If we couldn't get paul I would go for him. Hard to make salaries work though. BUT going after Paul and landing him could land us Dwight so who knows! I love Rondo but wouldn't mind seeing CP3 being able to knock down wide open jumpers that Rondo sometimes misses.

[Fafnir]

Seeing that he may want more of a scorer Danny may go after Westbrook.. kid is sick his Avg's were 21 ppg and 8APG not bad can move the ball and score at will. If we couldn't get paul I would go for him. Hard to make salaries work though. BUT going after Paul and landing him could land us Dwight so who knows! I love Rondo but wouldn't mind seeing CP3 being able to knock down wide open jumpers that Rondo sometimes misses.

I really can't see the Thunder trading Westbrook for Rondo.

[WeMadeIt17]

It would be tough but would be someone to get the ball to Durant more and more and if i'm not mistaken they were upset with him in the playoffs when he was not doing just that

[Marcus13]

I mean we have to consider it -- but it'd have to be for a player that we can build around after next season

[csfansince60s]

A lot of people are on point here...  If Rondo is being traded, the reason is clearly to make a push at the championship this year.  If that's the case, we do NOT need a 2, 3, or 4, so we would need to trade him to fill a newly found hole at PG or a C.  This player would need to be a playoff impact player.  Here are the ONLY possible candidates that I see at those 2 positions:

CP3 (possible)
Deron Williams (highly unlikely)
Rose (impossible)
Nash
Westbrook


If CP3, Nash, Westbrook, or Gasol aren't coming through that door, I don't want to trade Rondo.  And even the latter of those 3 would need to bring extra players along with them.

On the topic of scoring, I think CP3 would be perfect.  A scorer who's penetration will also get Ray a lot of open looks.  As others have mentioned, it is a no-deal without a contract extension though.

+1 for well reasoned post!

Agree with most points, but I very much believe that we would have a shot at DWill.

Tandem RR and an S&T'd BBD (who lists NJ as one of his preferred landing spots and who can use Davis' services) together and I think they bite.

They get something for DWill who has made noises about leaving at year's end(and Rondo is way more than something and cheaper and locked up longterm)and the Celtics get way more dangerous.

Now we have a Better Big Four and Jeff Green also.

[Fafnir]

A lot of people are on point here...  If Rondo is being traded, the reason is clearly to make a push at the championship this year.  If that's the case, we do NOT need a 2, 3, or 4, so we would need to trade him to fill a newly found hole at PG or a C.  This player would need to be a playoff impact player.  Here are the ONLY possible candidates that I see at those 2 positions:

CP3 (possible)
Deron Williams (highly unlikely)
Rose (impossible)
Nash
Westbrook


If CP3, Nash, Westbrook, or Gasol aren't coming through that door, I don't want to trade Rondo.  And even the latter of those 3 would need to bring extra players along with them.

On the topic of scoring, I think CP3 would be perfect.  A scorer who's penetration will also get Ray a lot of open looks.  As others have mentioned, it is a no-deal without a contract extension though.

+1 for well reasoned post!

Agree with most points, but I very much believe that we would have a shot at DWill.

Tandem RR and an S&T'd BBD (who lists NJ as one of his preferred landing spots and who can use Davis' services) together and I think they bite.

They get something for DWill who has made noises about leaving at year's end(and Rondo is way more than something and cheaper and locked up longterm)and the Celtics get way more dangerous.

Now we have a Better Big Four and Jeff Green also.

I'm concerned about Deron competing in the east. Rose gave him a rough time. I'm not sure Deron can handle him, I know that's a secondary concern as its just one match up but it popped into my head.