Broussard: Celtics Would Consider Dealing Rondo

[snively]

Rondo and Jeff Green for CP3 is a trade I'd do as GM, but the irrational fan within me places great additional value on Rondo, after so many pantheon level moments and performances.  The steal from Jason Williams, the comeback from the dislocated elbow, that incredible game against the Cavs... He has too much history with us now.

[Evantime34]

I would absolutely trade Rondo for Paul if Paul were willing to sign an extension. If he won't sign an extension with us there is no way you can do this trade.

How upset would everyone be if we traded for Paul, and he walked after the season. That coupled with the retirement of he big 3 and our core would be JJ Johnson, Green, and Bradley. We would have a ton of cap room but so would other teams in more desirable locations.

[Celtics4ever]

I would not read too much into this, anyone is trade-able with the right deal.  They would trade anyone on the roster if the right deal came along.

[Roy H.]

I'll be curious to see how the trade rules are written.

The new agreement says that for non-taxpayers, salaries needs to be within 150% of each other.  For taxpayers, it's 125% + $100k. 

So, if one team is a taxpayer, and the other isn't, what happens?  Is it the the more restrictive 125%?  This makes the most sense.

In a CP3 trade, the salaries of Rondo and CP3 aren't within 125% of one another.  Would it make sense for us to amnesty JO, so that we could use the 150% provision?  Who would then play center?

[Chris]

And the sky is blue.  No one should be shocked that the C's would consider trading anyone on their roster.  Doesn't mean it is going to happen.

The interesting part of this story though, is the part about finding more scoring to help Pierce.  That part I think it significant.  Danny talked about this at the end of last year, and I think it was evident that this team needed more punch, now that the Big 3 can't put the team on their backs every night.

While I am not sure this will come into play in trading Rondo, I think this is something we will be hearing much more as the signing period opens up.  Finding centers will certainly be a priority, but I would not be surprised if Danny uses signficant assets to add more scoring punch.

[action781]

A lot of people are on point here...  If Rondo is being traded, the reason is clearly to make a push at the championship this year.  If that's the case, we do NOT need a 2, 3, or 4, so we would need to trade him to fill a newly found hole at PG or a C.  This player would need to be a playoff impact player.  Here are the ONLY possible candidates that I see at those 2 positions:

CP3 (possible)
Deron Williams (highly unlikely)
Rose (impossible)
Nash
Westbrook

Dwight Howard (unlikely b/c of current team rosters and salaries)
Marc Gasol
Andrew Bynum (not happening)

If CP3, Nash, Westbrook, or Gasol aren't coming through that door, I don't want to trade Rondo.  And even the latter of those 3 would need to bring extra players along with them.

On the topic of scoring, I think CP3 would be perfect.  A scorer who's penetration will also get Ray a lot of open looks.  As others have mentioned, it is a no-deal without a contract extension though.

[Chris]

I'll be curious to see how the trade rules are written.

The new agreement says that for non-taxpayers, salaries needs to be within 150% of each other.  For taxpayers, it's 125% + $100k. 

So, if one team is a taxpayer, and the other isn't, what happens?  Is it the the more restrictive 125%?  This makes the most sense.

In a CP3 trade, the salaries of Rondo and CP3 aren't within 125% of one another.  Would it make sense for us to amnesty JO, so that we could use the 150% provision?  Who would then play center?

I am almost positive that it is completely separate for each team.  That is the way it has always been, and there is no reason to change it now.

Also, just a small point, but the new rule is 150%, or $5 million (whichever is smaller).  Paul makes more than $5 million more than Rondo, so the C's would have to include some extra filler to make it work even under the 150% rule.

[Cman]

Of course the Celtics would be open to dealing Rondo.... for the right deal. We've read/heard this every "off season" that Rondo has played for the C's.

In short, what Chris said:

And the sky is blue.  No one should be shocked that the C's would consider trading anyone on their roster.  Doesn't mean it is going to happen.

Thinking creatively: Rondo for a S&T Tyson Chandler.

[Chris]

Of course the Celtics would be open to dealing Rondo.... for the right deal. We've read/heard this every "off season" that Rondo has played for the C's.

In short, what Chris said:

And the sky is blue.  No one should be shocked that the C's would consider trading anyone on their roster.  Doesn't mean it is going to happen.

Thinking creatively: Rondo for a S&T Tyson Chandler.

I am all for trading Rondo in the right deal, but I don't think Chandler is that deal. 

Chandler has the same deficiencies as Rondo as far as building a future around a guy who can't be an offensive focal point, but is older, more injury prone, and will likely cost more money.

[shiggins]

Nov 29, 2011 1:16 AM EST


The Celtics are not actively shopping Rajon Rondo, but the team is open to trading him in the right deal, according to sources.

Boston believes they need more scoring to assist Paul Pierce.

Via Chris Broussard


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/216820/Celtics_Would_Consider_Dealing_Rondo#ixzz1f58hQ0AO


So what player would Ainge have in mind that will help Paul Pierce in scoring ?
Alot of you will say CP3, because if we trade Rondo and end up with Bradley as our PG it doesn't make sense.

Call me crazy but if we trade Rondo for CP3, wouldnt CP3 be our point guard?

[KCattheStripe]

OJ Mayo should be looked at by Boston. Memphis have wanted to move him for a good year now. Package Ray Allen and someone else to get him

Allen is 36 years old man. Its time to blow this up + blow up now. Trade Allen and get something back in return.

Dont let his contract just expire and not bring anyone back. OK if your going for D12 then obviously your gona have to move him to shed Ray's salary, but if Ainge has no intention of going after D12 then get rid of Allen and look at OJ Mayo or someone of that caliber.

Were the oldest team in the league and this reconstruction has to happen now.

OJ Mayo is a black hole offensively and a lockerroom issue. His ceiling is Vinnie Johnson, which would be fine if he, his agent and the teams who would spend a ton of money on him didn't think his ceiling was Dwayne Wade.

[Inside-Out]

Of course the Celtics would be open to dealing Rondo.... for the right deal. We've read/heard this every "off season" that Rondo has played for the C's.

In short, what Chris said:

And the sky is blue.  No one should be shocked that the C's would consider trading anyone on their roster.  Doesn't mean it is going to happen.

Thinking creatively: Rondo for a S&T Tyson Chandler.

Rondo for Chandler would open up the Mini-MLE to use on a PG, where there are more solid journeyman options (and guys who can shoot).  

TJ Ford/Delonte
Ray/Delonte/Bradley
Paul/JG
KG/BBD(I hope not)/Troy Murphy/JJJ
Chandler/JO/Murphy

That roster would have much more scoring punch, a solid big rotation with offense AND defense, and depth.  I kinda like it.

[Roy H.]

I'll be curious to see how the trade rules are written.

The new agreement says that for non-taxpayers, salaries needs to be within 150% of each other.  For taxpayers, it's 125% + $100k. 

So, if one team is a taxpayer, and the other isn't, what happens?  Is it the the more restrictive 125%?  This makes the most sense.

In a CP3 trade, the salaries of Rondo and CP3 aren't within 125% of one another.  Would it make sense for us to amnesty JO, so that we could use the 150% provision?  Who would then play center?

I am almost positive that it is completely separate for each team.  That is the way it has always been, and there is no reason to change it now.

Also, just a small point, but the new rule is 150%, or $5 million (whichever is smaller).  Paul makes more than $5 million more than Rondo, so the C's would have to include some extra filler to make it work even under the 150% rule.

So yeah, if we went the second route, we'd have to include Avery Bradley, as well.

[action781]

Of course the Celtics would be open to dealing Rondo.... for the right deal. We've read/heard this every "off season" that Rondo has played for the C's.

In short, what Chris said:

And the sky is blue.  No one should be shocked that the C's would consider trading anyone on their roster.  Doesn't mean it is going to happen.

Thinking creatively: Rondo for a S&T Tyson Chandler.

Rondo for Chandler would open up the Mini-MLE to use on a PG, where there are more solid journeyman options (and guys who can shoot).  

TJ Ford/Delonte
Ray/Delonte/Bradley
Paul/JG
KG/BBD(I hope not)/Troy Murphy/JJJ
Chandler/JO/Murphy

That roster would have much more scoring punch, a solid big rotation with offense AND defense, and depth.  I kinda like it.

In general, I think it's easier to find solid PG filler than C filler.  Its much more often that young, explosive PGs break out into impact players than centers.  That's one of the few things making me the least bit receptive of this kind of idea.

[Fafnir]

Of course the Celtics would be open to dealing Rondo.... for the right deal. We've read/heard this every "off season" that Rondo has played for the C's.

In short, what Chris said:

And the sky is blue.  No one should be shocked that the C's would consider trading anyone on their roster.  Doesn't mean it is going to happen.

Thinking creatively: Rondo for a S&T Tyson Chandler.

I am all for trading Rondo in the right deal, but I don't think Chandler is that deal. 

Chandler has the same deficiencies as Rondo as far as building a future around a guy who can't be an offensive focal point, but is older, more injury prone, and will likely cost more money.

Yes, but his offensive flaws are more easily hidden since he's a C. However without a PG of Rondo's caliber our offense would fall apart, I don't think its a good idea.