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Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?

Yes, for him, because he's a Jesus guy
15 (26.3%)
Yes, against him, because he's a Jesus guy
13 (22.8%)
No. He's being treated fairly
7 (12.3%)
Yes,against him, because he was drafted high
2 (3.5%)
Yes against him, because he's making NFL types and talent evaluators look dumb.
2 (3.5%)
Yes, for him, because he's an underdog breaking the rules
8 (14%)
Other - explain
2 (3.5%)
Tebow defies all explanation. Don't even try.
8 (14%)

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Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #105 on: January 11, 2012, 12:17:22 AM »

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I suppose what I'm concerned with here is the stereotype that Christianity is a "White Man's" religion.

Christ is as real to me today as he was back when I first got saved. He is still real to me even with my education of the "history" behind slavery.

And to me, I just don't see the media spinning this towards race.

Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #106 on: January 11, 2012, 12:33:19 AM »

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GF18, I think your comparison is off here. Darrell green, in all his yrs in the NFL, was never anywhere close to as popular or controversial as Tim Tebow.

...But I don't see where Tebow's race has anything to do with the controversy.

Do you honestly factor in Tebow's race as adding to the supposed controversy?
I do because there were many similar style quarterbacks to Tebow that were black that never got the media darling attention that Tebow did. Tebow was on the cover of Sports Illustrated after less than 11 NFL starts. He was the leading most dominating story on just about every show on ESPN for about 6 weeks this season.

Players with similar results and similar styles that were black NEVER got that type of attention. I think the media knows that a huge portion of America associates with Tebow and so they played it up both positive and negative to drive ratings. The media has never given a similar player that was black that much attention or air time so early in their careers or when they were having such mediocre results.

The drama of the Broncos winning in the fashion they did helped. Oh boy, it helped. But ultimately the media didn't tell the story of the dysfunctional Broncos that went on a remarkable streak of last minute victories. They happily played up to the nation the story of Tim Tebow, the ultra Christian, southern white boy, college football hero, unorthodox QB that is playing a style of football that is totally against the trend the game has taken over the last 30 years.

Does it matter that he's not the first to do so? No. Does it matter that none have ultimately succeeded and won a Superbowl? No. Then what's the difference between Tebow's story and the others. He's white and more easily sold as a story to a very large portion of America because of it.

That, to me means double standard.


Wow Nick.....I just don't see the race card, here.

If that's how you feel about it, then I can't change your mind.

But, to me - the vast majority of the controversy vs Tebow has been because he was/is a project as a QB in the NFL. "Was" is because I have seen improvement in the man as a QB this season. "Is" because he IS still improving and working hard.

But the race introduction, here, with Tebow, is just off, to me. I think the vast majority of the attention towards him has ranged from "curious" to "negative."

But not due to his race. To me, that is just a sad comparison.

"Media Darling?" Well.....not according to the Maher fellow.
No no. You misunderstand. I'm not saying people like or dislike him because of race. I'm saying he gets extra attention from the media because of his race.

People want to see stories about people like them. Tebow is like a lot of Americans. Good hometown southern kid, good Christian values. A lot of rural and non-urban America see Tebow as a representation of themselves.

So the media, packages him and sells him and puts him all over their magazines and shows. The media never did that with those other quarterbacks that played a similar style because they were black QBs bucking the trend of being a QB meant being white and a pocket passing QB. Most of America wouldn't eat that up.

So all I am saying is that because Tebow is white, he gets more attention, that's all. And he gets that attention because he's more marketable to most of America.

Also, to me, most of the media coverage of him has ranged from "pure, unadulterated adoration to resentment to being overexposed to critical because he's not that great a quarterback". But he mostly gets great media coverage. Where he gets poor feedback is in the blogging world and in the sports discussion shows on radio and television that are geared to presenting opinions to aggravate people and keep them coming back to listen to more.

We have a guy here in Boston GF named Michael Felger. He has a radio and many different television programs on The Sports Hub 103 FM and ComcastSportsNet respectively. Felger hates about almost everything associated with Boston sports. He calls KG a fraud. He despises all things red Sox and badmouthed them even during their championship years. The guy has never said a good word about Belichick even though he might be the greatest pro sports coach this city has ever seen.

But people love to listen to his horribly negative spin on everything. And for those that love Tebow, that's what they here is all the bad stuff from these people who are saying bad things about him because that's what they do. They say bad stuff about everyone.

Anyway that's my take. I don't think people hate tebow because he's white. I think the media markets him more than past similar QBs because he's white and more marketable to a larger section of America.

Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #107 on: January 11, 2012, 12:57:44 AM »

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Well, Nick, I think that after that game on Sunday DEN (and Tebow) would be discussed more, and should be.

That game was just incredible...the majority of it. I just think the media attention would've come if Tebow was Blue or Green.

They beat the #1 Defense in the game, barely. PIT was a great opponent and well-coached. DEN had lost their last three games. Tebow had not played well during that stretch.

And then Sunday happens. Wow.

The shock of it all, even with the media, is to me very understandable. Tebow even tried to deflect the attention after the game with him mentioning his visit to a hospital with a girl who had had 73 surgeries or something to that effect.

I am looking forward to the day when Tebow puts up games like that more regularly, and I believe that he will. DEN is still rather young as a team, too - the team will grow with Tebow as well.

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« Reply #108 on: January 11, 2012, 01:23:00 AM »

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GF18, I think your comparison is off here. Darrell green, in all his yrs in the NFL, was never anywhere close to as popular or controversial as Tim Tebow.

...But I don't see where Tebow's race has anything to do with the controversy.

Do you honestly factor in Tebow's race as adding to the supposed controversy?
I do because there were many similar style quarterbacks to Tebow that were black that never got the media darling attention that Tebow did. Tebow was on the cover of Sports Illustrated after less than 11 NFL starts. He was the leading most dominating story on just about every show on ESPN for about 6 weeks this season.

Players with similar results and similar styles that were black NEVER got that type of attention. I think the media knows that a huge portion of America associates with Tebow and so they played it up both positive and negative to drive ratings. The media has never given a similar player that was black that much attention or air time so early in their careers or when they were having such mediocre results.

The drama of the Broncos winning in the fashion they did helped. Oh boy, it helped. But ultimately the media didn't tell the story of the dysfunctional Broncos that went on a remarkable streak of last minute victories. They happily played up to the nation the story of Tim Tebow, the ultra Christian, southern white boy, college football hero, unorthodox QB that is playing a style of football that is totally against the trend the game has taken over the last 30 years.

Does it matter that he's not the first to do so? No. Does it matter that none have ultimately succeeded and won a Superbowl? No. Then what's the difference between Tebow's story and the others. He's white and more easily sold as a story to a very large portion of America because of it.

That, to me means double standard.


Wow Nick.....I just don't see the race card, here.

If that's how you feel about it, then I can't change your mind.

But, to me - the vast majority of the controversy vs Tebow has been because he was/is a project as a QB in the NFL. "Was" is because I have seen improvement in the man as a QB this season. "Is" because he IS still improving and working hard.

But the race introduction, here, with Tebow, is just off, to me. I think the vast majority of the attention towards him has ranged from "curious" to "negative."

Also add in the fact that DEN has accomplished some noteworthy things this season certainly adds to the mix, too.

But not due to his race. To me, that is just a sad comparison.

"Media Darling?" Well.....not according to the Maher fellow.
Race is definitely part of the equation. For starters, if he was a different race (especially if he was black) he wouldn't have the same amount of publicity and might have never even been an NFL QB. In college he instantly became a bigger story than Chris Leak (the guy who did the bulk of the work and led them to the title). To a lot of people he's the great white hope. I'm fairly confident people wouldn't make Jesus comparisons if he wasn't white. People wouldn't be as comfortable poking at his religion if he wasn't white. People wouldn't have started a statewide campaign to get Tebow the starting job.

In all of this, Tim has been a victim (and benefactor) of his circumstances. He's never tried to bring attention to himself and has really only ever focused on being a good person and doing the best he can to win. It's one of those rare situations where the best person to lead actually gets the job and then everyone wants to change him into something else while he just wants to focus on his job.

The most important thing is that Belichik won't give Tebow a double standard. He'll evaluate him like he does every other QB and develop a gameplan to beat him.
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Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #109 on: January 11, 2012, 01:49:53 AM »

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Well, Omar - you are welcome to your thoughts.

But it is true that everything is not black and white - even in America.

Admittedly, at one time in my life I thought that it was (everything being black or white). For the first 13 years of my life my neighbors, best friends were about 99.99999999% Black, including me.

Then my family moved. 6 years after that I served in the Navy. Did 20+ yrs of service, serving with many different faiths and races and ethnicities.

After these experiences my world view is that Race is still a factor in society - even overseas. I'd be a fool to not believe that. Is it a factor in everything?

No it isn't.

Some things do go deeper than race.

To me, the Tebow controversy is deeper than race. Tebow (and DEN) were just supposed to keel over and let PIT run over them, and DEN (and Tebow) decided to fight.

The will to fight goes deeper than race.

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« Reply #110 on: January 11, 2012, 04:45:56 AM »

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Well, Omar - you are welcome to your thoughts.

But it is true that everything is not black and white - even in America.

Admittedly, at one time in my life I thought that it was (everything being black or white). For the first 13 years of my life my neighbors, best friends were about 99.99999999% Black, including me.

Then my family moved. 6 years after that I served in the Navy. Did 20+ yrs of service, serving with many different faiths and races and ethnicities.

After these experiences my world view is that Race is still a factor in society - even overseas. I'd be a fool to not believe that. Is it a factor in everything?

No it isn't.

Some things do go deeper than race.

To me, the Tebow controversy is deeper than race. Tebow (and DEN) were just supposed to keel over and let PIT run over them, and DEN (and Tebow) decided to fight.

The will to fight goes deeper than race.
Considering the number of long passing plays in that game, it was really shocking.

Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #111 on: January 11, 2012, 06:54:20 AM »

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Well, Nick, I think that after that game on Sunday DEN (and Tebow) would be discussed more, and should be.

That game was just incredible...the majority of it. I just think the media attention would've come if Tebow was Blue or Green.

This is the NFL playoffs. Of course the attention now is well deserved. He had an amazing game on Sunday and he should be a huge story....now.

But now is not when I was talking about. I was discussing more of the time frame during the season. You don't agree and that is fine. Many won't. I just don't think if he was black and did what he did that he would be getting the attention he did.

Look at Cam Newton. #1 pick. Set just about every record a QB can set as a rookie. One of the best rookie QB season's ever. The amount of attention given him on ESPN, in magazines, sports talk shows, etc. was almost none existent compared to Tebow. He improve his team by 4 wins, just like Tebow. He arguably played better than Tebow. Who got the attention in the national media?

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« Reply #112 on: January 11, 2012, 07:08:25 AM »

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I don't see it as a race or religion thing, and I don't think Tebow has been a media darling.  He has been winning.  The pundits slammed him at every step of his career...every week was supposed to be his last, his lack of talent and unorthodox style would bring him down and his success was just a fluke of luck.  The public (me included) loves an underdog and we adopted him as one of us...wanting to prove that the "experts" were really no smarter than we are.  So far we have proved that.  That is my theory, and I am sticking to it.  ;)
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Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #113 on: January 11, 2012, 09:01:28 AM »

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Reggie White was a minister and always preaching at every turn.  Again no mocking of his faith.

Tebow has been placed up high by his fans and given things, like a starting job, that he didn't earn or deserve when he was given it.  Troy, Reggie, and the countless other devout Christians that play football were not and in the case of Troy and Reggie are two of the greatest players to play their positions.  Tim is talked about like he is an all time great, but he isn't.  

And winning doesn't mean much of anything early.  Rex Grossman was 17-6 as a starter his first 23 regular season games and just finished a Superbowl run (another 2-1 in the playoffs) and with a completion % below 55%.  He wasn't talked about for weeks on end like Tebow was, he wasn't thought of as an elite QB or even a potential HOFer.  He was a mere 2-5 in 8 games the following season and than barely played the 3 years after before getting the starting gig in Washington this year.  

Tebow gets the press because he puts his religion out there (like few before him) and has a mass of religious conservatives as a fan base, who watch television and tune into his games thus driving the numbers up.  They also show up at Bronco games and buy Bronco gear (which helped in Denver's decision to start him).  He is covered because of his religion, but he to some extent and his followers to a great extent are mocked, but his religion isn't (after-all most of the media is Christian and many of them are devout - so it seems a bit strange that the media would mock their own faith).  
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For those who say Tim Tebow is not a 'media darling', and he's getting unfairly crapped on:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7451061/espn-sports-poll-denver-broncos-tim-tebow-us-favorite-active-pro-athlete

Tim Tebow is the US's 'favorite athlete' despite all this 'hate'. Kris Humphries got caught up with a useless Armenian socialite and suddenly everyone hates him. Fame might be fleeting but Tim Tebow got the good fleeting, not the bad fleeting.

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For those who say Tim Tebow is not a 'media darling', and he's getting unfairly crapped on:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7451061/espn-sports-poll-denver-broncos-tim-tebow-us-favorite-active-pro-athlete

Tim Tebow is the US's 'favorite athlete' despite all this 'hate'. Kris Humphries got caught up with a useless Armenian socialite and suddenly everyone hates him. Fame might be fleeting but Tim Tebow got the good fleeting, not the bad fleeting.
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For those who say Tim Tebow is not a 'media darling', and he's getting unfairly crapped on:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7451061/espn-sports-poll-denver-broncos-tim-tebow-us-favorite-active-pro-athlete

Tim Tebow is the US's 'favorite athlete' despite all this 'hate'. Kris Humphries got caught up with a useless Armenian socialite and suddenly everyone hates him. Fame might be fleeting but Tim Tebow got the good fleeting, not the bad fleeting.

That the public supports him means that the media supports him?  Seriously?  Have you been living under a rock?