Shaq discusses Glen Davis' selfishness

[GreenFaith1819]

My thing is this...if what Shaq is saying is true, and he's exhibited selfish motives....why is he still on the team - going on 4 years or so?

That's my question as well, and also why did Doc not get involved in that example Shaq gave? Why did he leave them to work it out themselves?

Good Question.

I'm confused even moreso than normal, now .

As good a coach as Doc is, I find it hard to believe that he'd allow a chemistry issue to continue on, if there was one.

I tend to defend Glen a lot, so I'm admittedly partial towards him.

Maybe what Shaq is discussing is an isolated issue.

Whatever the case is (if there is one), I hope Doc/Danny/Big Four work it out this season.

Remove/release the non-team players (if any) etc, and bring in parts that can work together, without agendas.

This is our last shot. I want Banner 18.

I agree with all of this - tp. I am not the biggest Baby supporter, but it sounds more like a little drama than anything else. I agree that Baby shoots the ball more often than he should, but I doubt he refused to give Shaq the ball time and time again. I always thought one of the biggest problems with the second unit was their lack of assertiveness to take a shot. That's why Baby was always the one taking a stupid jumper with no time left on the shot clock.

I like Shaq and all and wish things went differently this past season, but he really needs to keep his mouth shut sometimes [unless he has something good to say]. This can't help chemistry and sounds like he just hates Baby.

No. Anyone who truly watched BBD play last season recognizes this is true. BBD was looking for a contract. He is a selfish player who is about half as good as he thinks he is. He quit doing the things that made him a solid backup (taking charges, hustling after loose balls, pushing away from the plate of chicken wings), and thought that HE was the star of that second unit. I am sure Doc figured that anyone hearing Shaq scream at them is going to have the wisdom to follow suit. Obviously BBD wasn’t one that would.

If BBD is on our squad again I am going to pull my League Pass subscription… He peaked a couple years back and will only get worse and worse from here on out. Bad teammate, out of shape player. Out you go Chubs!

But - can we trust Shaq here?

Or is this an isolated issue?

[hpantazo]

My thing is this...if what Shaq is saying is true, and he's exhibited selfish motives....why is he still on the team - going on 4 years or so?

That's my question as well, and also why did Doc not get involved in that example Shaq gave? Why did he leave them to work it out themselves?

Good Question.

I'm confused even moreso than normal, now .

As good a coach as Doc is, I find it hard to believe that he'd allow a chemistry issue to continue on, if there was one.

I tend to defend Glen a lot, so I'm admittedly partial towards him.

Maybe what Shaq is discussing is an isolated issue.

Whatever the case is (if there is one), I hope Doc/Danny/Big Four work it out this season.

Remove/release the non-team players (if any) etc, and bring in parts that can work together, without agendas.

This is our last shot. I want Banner 18.

I agree with all of this - tp. I am not the biggest Baby supporter, but it sounds more like a little drama than anything else. I agree that Baby shoots the ball more often than he should, but I doubt he refused to give Shaq the ball time and time again. I always thought one of the biggest problems with the second unit was their lack of assertiveness to take a shot. That's why Baby was always the one taking a stupid jumper with no time left on the shot clock.

I like Shaq and all and wish things went differently this past season, but he really needs to keep his mouth shut sometimes [unless he has something good to say]. This can't help chemistry and sounds like he just hates Baby.

No. Anyone who truly watched BBD play last season recognizes this is true. BBD was looking for a contract. He is a selfish player who is about half as good as he thinks he is. He quit doing the things that made him a solid backup (taking charges, hustling after loose balls, pushing away from the plate of chicken wings), and thought that HE was the star of that second unit. I am sure Doc figured that anyone hearing Shaq scream at them is going to have the wisdom to follow suit. Obviously BBD wasn’t one that would.

If BBD is on our squad again I am going to pull my League Pass subscription… He peaked a couple years back and will only get worse and worse from here on out. Bad teammate, out of shape player. Out you go Chubs!

But - can we trust Shaq here?

Or is this an isolated issue?

I trust Jackie M., and Doc indicated a few times over the years that he was unhappy with Glen's mentality.

[hpantazo]

never heard complaint bout baby shootin till this last playoff run..

when we got that ring he was shootin and hittin

when we won a ring, Davis rode the bench, Powe, Posey, and House were hitting.

[BASS_THUMPER]

never heard complaint bout baby shootin till this last playoff run..

when we got that ring he was shootin and hittin

when we won a ring, Davis rode the bench, Powe, Posey, and House were hitting.

not taken anything away from powe pimpin..thats the homie

posey impressed and house was ballin..but baby was shootin jumpers and hittin

why u think doc kept givin him the green light?

[GreenFaith1819]

My thing is this...if what Shaq is saying is true, and he's exhibited selfish motives....why is he still on the team - going on 4 years or so?

That's my question as well, and also why did Doc not get involved in that example Shaq gave? Why did he leave them to work it out themselves?

Good Question.

I'm confused even moreso than normal, now .

As good a coach as Doc is, I find it hard to believe that he'd allow a chemistry issue to continue on, if there was one.

I tend to defend Glen a lot, so I'm admittedly partial towards him.

Maybe what Shaq is discussing is an isolated issue.

Whatever the case is (if there is one), I hope Doc/Danny/Big Four work it out this season.

Remove/release the non-team players (if any) etc, and bring in parts that can work together, without agendas.

This is our last shot. I want Banner 18.

I agree with all of this - tp. I am not the biggest Baby supporter, but it sounds more like a little drama than anything else. I agree that Baby shoots the ball more often than he should, but I doubt he refused to give Shaq the ball time and time again. I always thought one of the biggest problems with the second unit was their lack of assertiveness to take a shot. That's why Baby was always the one taking a stupid jumper with no time left on the shot clock.

I like Shaq and all and wish things went differently this past season, but he really needs to keep his mouth shut sometimes [unless he has something good to say]. This can't help chemistry and sounds like he just hates Baby.

No. Anyone who truly watched BBD play last season recognizes this is true. BBD was looking for a contract. He is a selfish player who is about half as good as he thinks he is. He quit doing the things that made him a solid backup (taking charges, hustling after loose balls, pushing away from the plate of chicken wings), and thought that HE was the star of that second unit. I am sure Doc figured that anyone hearing Shaq scream at them is going to have the wisdom to follow suit. Obviously BBD wasn’t one that would.

If BBD is on our squad again I am going to pull my League Pass subscription… He peaked a couple years back and will only get worse and worse from here on out. Bad teammate, out of shape player. Out you go Chubs!

But - can we trust Shaq here?

Or is this an isolated issue?

I trust Jackie M., and Doc indicated a few times over the years that he was unhappy with Glen's mentality.

Good Point.


Still baffling why Doc didn't fix it.

[bdm860]

I have to question Shaq's account of all this.  The games he's referring to were 1/30/11 at LA, and 2/1/11 at Sac.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=310130013&period=0
In the Lakers game, Shaq and Baby were on the floor for only 1:45 the entire game (all in the 2nd quarter).  In the 2nd, from 6:28 when Shaq enters to 4:43 when Baby leaves, neither took a shot or had a turnover.  Maybe, maybe, it's Glen's fault at 5:13 when there's a shot clock violation, but besides that, there's nothing.


http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=310201023&period=0
Very similar in the Kings game, Shaq and Baby are only on the court for 3:26 together (again all in the 2nd quarter).  In the 2nd, from 9:37 when Shaq enters to 6:11 when Baby leaves, Baby only took 1 shot (but he made it, and it was a 4 footer assisted from Nate Robinson).  Then at 6:11 Shaq has a 3 second call against him, which maybe, maybe you can blame on Baby (if Shaq had position and was begging for the ball).

So absolutely worse case scenario there's possibly 2 possessions where Baby was selfish and didn't give Shaq the ball.  I think Shaq is being Shaq and exagerating here.  If he's mad at Baby for taking (and making!) a 4-footer, then maybe Shaq's the selfish one.

[BASS_THUMPER]

"Big Baby" Glen Davis Lifts Boston Celtics Over Los Angeles Lakers, 96-89 in Final Playoffs

Davis made seven of the ten shots he attempted and has been a key player coming off the bench and making plays for the Celtics this season. Davis is learning how to establish his ground and hold on to it on the court. Although he has been a low scorer during most of the season, he certainly turned on the fuel for the game against the Los Angeles Lakers.

[CelticSooner]

never heard complaint bout baby shootin till this last playoff run..

when we got that ring he was shootin and hittin

Yea because he was scoring within the offense. That is something he did very little of last season.

He's a backup that thinks he's a starter. Let him do that elsewhere.

How about the Rondo story? I hope Rondo took that to heart this summer.

[hpantazo]

"Big Baby" Glen Davis Lifts Boston Celtics Over Los Angeles Lakers, 96-89 in Final Playoffs

Davis made seven of the ten shots he attempted and has been a key player coming off the bench and making plays for the Celtics this season. Davis is learning how to establish his ground and hold on to it on the court. Although he has been a low scorer during most of the season, he certainly turned on the fuel for the game against the Los Angeles Lakers.

That was 2010, we didn't win a ring that year    In 2008, Glen rode the bench in the playoffs and Posey and Powe produced big time.

[BASS_THUMPER]

"Big Baby" Glen Davis Lifts Boston Celtics Over Los Angeles Lakers, 96-89 in Final Playoffs

Davis made seven of the ten shots he attempted and has been a key player coming off the bench and making plays for the Celtics this season. Davis is learning how to establish his ground and hold on to it on the court. Although he has been a low scorer during most of the season, he certainly turned on the fuel for the game against the Los Angeles Lakers.

That was 2010, we didn't win a ring that year    In 2008, Glen rode the bench in the playoffs and Posey and Powe produced big time.

not sayin this was ring year jus sayin he got game..we dont trip when paul sip off a lil bit..and yeah i know paul and baby not in the same area of skillzs

i was happy for powe pimpin gettin g babe minutes...

but on the real we shoulda kept..




and



with




i saw wally and scal and it looked like if time permitted they coulda been the next one two over paul and walker..

but with ray..wow..

i really would have like to see this big 3 run together and quiet the haters...

[Kane3387]

Yeah baby never saw the court in the 2008 playoffs.

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, in any event as puzzling as it seems I trust Doc.

There are always other factors involved.

Gotta be.

If Danny/Doc decides to bring him Glen Davis back this year, then I trust that Glen will be ready.

It's just funny that we are hearing about this now.

[PosImpos]

exactly.

ill still be a fan of glen davis in the coming seasons . . . when he is in a different uniform, gunning for a different squad.

[chambers]

never heard complaint bout baby shootin till this last playoff run..

when we got that ring he was shootin and hittin

exactly.
He's been a critical member of our line up. Pretty much 6th man of the NBA for a while. Had a horrid stretch last year but so did a lot of our guys.
Shaq is trying to create publicity for his book, and he doesn't mind throwing a few people under the bus to sell a few extra million copies.

Just remember what Glen Davis gave us in the good times and also consider his knee problems last season.
He ain't perfect but for people to say they're pulling their league pass subscriptions if Glen is re-signed is pretty dramatic.
I'll watch every game no matter who we have and I feel like we owe Davis at least one more season of faith.

[guava_wrench]

never heard complaint bout baby shootin till this last playoff run..

when we got that ring he was shootin and hittin

Nah. Baby didn't take jumpers as a rookie. He started working on that the next year.